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Mets getting calls for Colon

The Mets are receiving calls from teams to check in to see if Bartolo Colon can be had in a trade (Cafardo, July 13).

The Mets will listen to trade offers and may actively shop RHP Bartolo Colon, according to team sources (NY Post, July 4).

The Yankees, A’s, Blue Jays, Angels, Orioles, Brewers, Indians, Pirates and Mariners have all been listed in reports as teams that could have interest in acquiring Colon.

According to former GM now ESPN analyst Jim Bowden, the Mets can expect to be offered one, good upper-level prospect for Colon (ESPN Insider, June 27).



The 41-year-old Colon will earn $9 million this season, and is due $11 million in 2015.




197 comments
whizz17
whizz17

Dice K, Wheeler, Degrom, Gee, Neise. That's the rotation after they trade Colon. Put Dice K in the bull pen and bring up Noah!

Eric Hansen
Eric Hansen

we can get 1 good upper-level prospect --- that is fine guys (does not matter who) because we can take the player and flip him later for one of the team's needs

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

The New York Mets have made right-hander Bartolo Colon available as the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline nears, industry sources told ESPNNewYork.com.


The Mets' wish list in trades includes an upgrade at shortstop over Ruben Tejada and a power-hitting left fielder to join Juan Lagares and Curtis Granderson as the primary outfielders, according to industry sources.

hashburry
hashburry

This is a nice little run, but the most likely scenario is the Mets stop scoring again for significant periods, fall into defensive funks, and finish the season below .500.  There will be a point soon where deGrom hits an innings limit, Wheeler has to be monitored for innings, and the back end of the bullpen, Mejia and Familia will probably have to be limited if not shut down...they are both already showing signs of overuse.  So exactly how do the Mets sustain anything in September?  they can replace Colon with Niese after the break, and there is still a chance Syndergaard can come up for a few starts to fill the void at the end of the season.  With a limited payroll, there is no real reason to hold on to Colon.  They can always get a serviceable veteran to compete for a spot next year if they need to trade some young guy for a bat.

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

If i'm SA i'm trading Colon, Dice K, Niese, Gee and Murphy, as Kenneth mentioned below, deal from a positions of strength (with more pitching and 2nd baseman Herrera on the way) with these chips and the salary off the books between now and the off season I get a power bat for LF and a SS that has a better bat and glove then tejada 

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Get while the getting is good. Get some quality prospect and deal from a position of strength for one legitimate power bat. Talk to the Orioles (or Tigers) about a possible deal for Familia. Both teams have bats to spare. This is where we all want Sandy to get a little creative. Let's get something will a little more upside than Rick Ankiel and Bobby Abreu.

Stephen Hanks
Stephen Hanks

Here's what we do: We get a high level prospect for Colon and then package that prospect (or keep him) with Montero, Flores, Cecchini, and Plawecki in a deal for Troy Tulowitzki. That is the modern day Gary Carter trade. If we need to replace Niese for Montero or include him to get the Rockies to pick up some salary, do that too. It's time to be bold and go for it now and in the future.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

Yea the calls are from Pizza Hut. He needs to pay his tab

Sal
Sal

Even if the team comes out and wins 9 straight games after the ASB and finds themselves within 3 or 4 games of 1st place, I'd trade Colon.


The guy is a work horse but you're playing a risky gamble if you want to hang your hat on this guy for 2 years instead of cashing in while you can.  The Mets could also use the rotation spot for Syndegaard in the 2nd half.


I'm not one for selling all the time, but to me this is a no-brainer if you can get back a solid AA or AAA player that can help the team in 2015.

METS HAPPEN
METS HAPPEN

To Baltimore Orioles for :
#8  Prospect    -    C  Chance Sisco    19 yr old LHB  @ A (Full)   Batting Line  .353/.414/.482  
                                w/ Pop (22 Doubles) and more to come and will stick @ C

#13 Prospect     -   1B Christian Walker  23 yr old RHB @ AA     Batting Line  .300/.368/.518 
                                    Has 20 HR  7 RBI's w/ an 83/38  K/BB ratio 


Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

The question becomes, in the minute chance that they actually come out of the break playing well, and make it back to .500 by at least the end of the Phillies series at the end of the month, does Sandy trade him? If they come out and blow chunks the way they usually do after the AS break every year, then forget it, I could see him being gone if this story is accurate on his value. But say they sweep the Padres out of the break, go 4-3 against the Mariners and Brewers (that's the part that's probably toughest to see happening), and then win that Phillies series at the end of the month to get back to .500? Or maybe more likely, sweep the Pads, go 3-4 in the next 2 series, and sweep the Phillies when they come home. That actually might be more possible (albeit slightly). Be interesting to see what Sandy would do in that spot....

Although who am I kidding? We all know they're going to drop the Padres series out of the break, and probably go 2-5 against the Mariners and Brewers and come home to resume their fight with the Phillies to stay out of last place in the East.....

Aurora Snow
Aurora Snow

I'd trade him yesterday. This team blows anyway, and isn't sniffing the playoffs. He's not coming back next season. Might as well get a prospect and let us keep up the "next year" charade. 

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

Trade Colon, and Niese or Gee or all 3---   you save close to 25 million, and you do not need them because...

Next year starting rotation-- Harvey, Wheeler, Noah, Degrom, Matz!


thwacker
thwacker

Will miss him batting - I find it pretty amusing.

robby
robby

Trade Colon we don't need him anymore.  We are rich in pitching

whizz17
whizz17

Trade him, let Noah come up and pitch he can be as good if not better than Colon has been.

Michael Marinelli
Michael Marinelli

Trade him... I never understood this signing. An organization full of pitchers and SA goes out and spends 20 million on a pitcher. We don't have anyone who can drive in runs but we'll spend 20 million on another pitcher. 

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

If they don't trade him.They must be trading young pitchers for a bat.Then they would need Colon next year.A bat like Tulo would be nice.

helloboy
helloboy

@Tarheel11 LOL. how will they ever find that for Colon? Thinking more like mid to good prospect.   i doubt someone is giving up that level of a guy, especially one that can just jump in.  Who can they get for Colon at ss better than Matt Reynolds, who they have?   This seems to be too heavy an asking price for Colon.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Yes agree. Just not sold on trading Gee.I like his different pitching approach.Need someone who doesn't just fire.Keep there timing off.I'm fine with Murph trade.But I'm sure you will get hell for.We need fielders to.Please trade for Tulo.

whizz17
whizz17

I like the go for it mentality, I think I would rather try for Carlos Gonzales. Less cost and the Mets can use another outfielder.

hashburry
hashburry

@Stephen Hanks 5 players who are not in the top 40 prospects in baseball for Tulo?  Keep dreaming.  You have to include either Wheeler or Sydergard.

helloboy
helloboy

@METS HAPPEN Neither are a position of need.  Mets are satisfied with Duda and still have Smith developing.  Catcher is one of their organizational strengths.  TDA and Plawecki are already ahead of him. 



BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

C'mon....there's so many question marks there....You're going to need solid depth to compete and giving away 600 quality innings might not be the best way.  In no way is Matz going to be ready for 200 innings in the pros next year..There's some scouts and analysts that dont even think he's sticking in the rotation.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@whizz17 you realize he's pitching to a 5.31 ERA in Vegas right now, right?

methead
methead

@Michael Marinelli They needed a sure thing in the rotation which is something they did not have.  But more importantly...if they trade Colon for a prospect, doesnt that make the signing even smarter? 


I ain't a Sandy guy - overrated - but this was one of the smartest moves he has made.  We will probably end up dealing him for a useful future piece AND he has pitched great for us and stabilized the rotation this year.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Michael Marinelli It was an organiztion full of injured pitchers or young pitchers on innings-restrictions. At the start of the year, the 5-man rotation included an injured Jon Niese, Dillon Gee (who's not exactly immune from injury himself, as we've seen), Wheeler entering his second year and still on an innings-restriction, and Jenry Mejia who was both on an innings plan AND coming back from an injury. No Harvey. Syndgaard wasn't ready (and also would be on an innings plan if he was), and no one knew what they had in deGrom. They needed a veteran arm they could get 200 solid innings out of, especially once Harvey elected for TJ. That deal made complete sense.

ken1010
ken1010

@Michael Marinelli

A closer would have been a better use of money on a pitcher - perhaps Hawkins for $3m.  With Hawkins, who had proven himself with the Mets, we might be over .500 now without the games blown by Valverde and Farnsworth early on.  He could have held the fort for a while until Mejia and Familia were ready, and taken some pressure off Torres now.

Stephen Hanks
Stephen Hanks

@Eddie_Dean @Stephen Hanks Give me a break, okay? You can't assume the guy will be hurt every year. The same people who hated letting Reyes go scream about players who have had injury histories. Maybe the law of averages says Tulo won't get hurt anymore.

METS HAPPEN
METS HAPPEN

@helloboy 
I Understand that, but looking at the teams in need of SP for the stretch run, these are the best hitting prospects likely to be made available.  

IMO, Plawecki will be up next year and will split time with TDA , with TDA getting the bulk of the duties due to his superior Defense and Catching skills,  and Plawecki sees some time as a back up to Duda at 1B.
So you need to replenish the pipeline,  Sisco is a Kid (see what I did there) who at 19 is 3-4 years away, at which point we will have likely traded away either TDA or Plawecki.

Now, granted, I am very happy with Duda, and see a ton of potential in Dom Smith, but there is a large gap in age and not much in between.    Let's say Duda gets hurt, what then.   I have my doubts to whether Alan Dykstra will be around next year, b/c if he is not protected and on the 40-man, he is a prime candidate for a Rule 5 draft pick and won't sign w/ The Mets again knowing he is blocked at the Major League Level.
So, there you have Walker, who would start at 1B at LV next year and only add to his value.

In the case that Dom Smith progresses quickly and supplants Walker on the depth chart, then you have 
a trade chip in Walker and no harm no foul.

You need alot of depth throughout any organization at ALL Positions to be considered successful.
To say , "Hey we got these 2 ML-ready C's we can just stand pat" is short-sighted.
You have to account for injuries and failures.  Nothing is cut-and-dry in baseball.

METS HAPPEN
METS HAPPEN

@mets2death

You think you are going to get more than that for Colon ?  
Walker was ranked too low.  After the adjustments he will be their top Batting Prospect.
Likely #5 and Sisco at  #7.

METS HAPPEN
METS HAPPEN

@Bryan McEntee @Eddie_Dean
I'd take a shot at Price, he's leading the MLB in K's, pitching in the AL East.
Imagine those numbers in the NL and TB would love to get some of our young pitching.

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

@methead @Michael Marinelli I disagree, why did they need a sure thing with Colon,? Everyone and their brother knew going in this wasnt a playoff team at the start of the year. Better to put faith in the young pitching, get them experience and get a bat that in LF or SS that would have helped this year and going foward as opposed to CY

Robby Post
Robby Post

@Stephen Hanks @Eddie_Dean Not to mention Tulo got hurt again yesterday. Dude is a walking ace bandage.

One of those players who would be legendary if he could ever play a full season.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Stephen Hanks @Eddie_Dean I just like to point out to the people who want to mortgage the farm for Tulo that this is a 29-year-old who's averaged just over 120 games played per season in his career, whom the Mets will owe well over $100 million to in the next 5.5 years if the trade were made today. Reyes has actually looked more durable for most of his career, and that's saying something.


So they'd be getting a guy who couldn't stay healthy in his mid-20's, and paying him like a star well into his mid-30's. Combine that with whatever voodoo curse is currently on the Mets when it comes to injuries, and I honestly believe they'd be lucky to get an average 110 games a season out of him for the remainder of his contract. Which means someone else (mostly likely Tejada in the short term) would have to play SS for 50 games a year. And they'd have no money to bring anyone else it b/c the Wilpons are stingy and he's owed so much.


It's not that I don't think Tulo is a wonderful player when he's healthy, b/c he is. But all things considered, I just don't think he's right for this team. If it was the old days, when they pump a $140-$150 million into the major league roster, I might feel differently about it. But not now, and especially at the asking price the Rockies would have for him.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@METS HAPPEN @Bryan McEntee @Eddie_Dean Again, why do the Mets need another starting pitcher? They have a top 10 starting rotation ERA in all of baseball. And as bad as the team has been, the win/loss record of their starters is only a game under .500.

whizz17
whizz17

Eddie_Dean it has been well publicized how Noah is tinkering around with things in the minors. You do realize that Colon is 41 has a .500 record this year and against good teams gets rocks all of the time. I think Noah can be just as good if not better then Colon will ever be THIS YEAR. Look at Wheeler and Harvey when they were in Vegas right before they were called up and you will see similar pitching lines compared to Noah.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Born2Fish74 (PS4) @methead @Michael Marinelli It's not just about making the playoffs though. It's about taking pressure off young and/or injured arms they were bringinig into this season. As I said in the previous post, they had at least 5 potential starting pitchers this season who were on innings-restrictions. Then they had another 3 guys who were injury risks (one of whom was also on the restriction list). And that's not even counting Matt Harvey.

Signing Colon wasn't just about this season. It was about saving arms in the rotation and the bullpen for the next 3 years.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Reyes is no Tulo.Please he is hitting .250.Tulo can play 120 games and put up better numbers then Jose.Sorry but he is not the same JReyes we remember.Watch him play.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Brian McCarthy I wasn't talking about who the better player is when healthy. All I said was Tulo makes him look durable.


And I'd like to see what would happen to Jose if he got away from Tornoto and off that tough turf up there. Whoever thought he'd be a good fit on that team was an idiot. Couldn't have a more square peg/round hole situation.