Travis d'Arnaud

Mets eyeing A’s series for d’Arnaud return

Triple-A C Travis d’Arnaud may be back with the Mets by the middle of next week, when the team faces the A’s at Citi Field, an organization source said (ESPN, June 19).

D’Arnaud is hitting .395 with five HR and 10 RBI in 38 at-bats for Las Vegas since being demoted. He was hitting .180 with the Mets.

So far in Triple-A, d’Arnaud has demonstrated a consistent approach and he’s keeping his back foot closer to the plate, which allows him to better reach outside pitches, a source told reporter Mike Puma (NY Post, June 17).


If D’Arnaud is promoted after June 27 (20 days after he was demoted) he will be out of minor league options, i.e., able to be sent to the minors without having to first pass through waivers. If he’s promoted before June 27, he will retain the option, meaning he can be sent down again.


Terry Collins told reporters Tuesday that he sent a confidant to watch d’Arnaud’s Triple-A at bats to see if he’s ready for a return to the big leagues.

Collins essentially said he doesn’t trust Pacific Coast League numbers, because it’s notorious for being a hitter’s league:

“No disrespect to the league, to the ballparks, to the players that are there,” he said. However, “We have seen that at this level there’s a fairly good jump. All you want to hear is about the consistency. Not that he went down and had at-bats against a club whose pitching isn’t that good maybe.




103 comments
cliffy44
cliffy44

The Mets are doing just fine without Travis d’Arnaud.  As a matter of fact the Mets are doing much netter without him.  Leave him in AAA.  And if anything, send Terry Collins to AAA and bring Wally Bachman to New York.
Let d'Arnaud and Collins live out their ineffectiveness together in AAA.

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

i hope i am wrong, but i feel it will be back to more of the same with D'Arnaud, i dont think he can hit big league pitching? Then what, wait it out or send him down again, by then the season will be tanked. i just dont think he is that good.

That's a good one! COLLINS sent a confidant to watch d'Arnaud? If this was a close friend of Collins he'd of told him that his opinion means absolutely nothing. Alderson will decide when d'Arnaud gets called up, not anything Collins has to say. 

If it wa ME though I'd bring him back when they hit the road. Don't bring him back for a home series. There's been SO much written about how the Mets feel pressure playing at home. That the players feel comfortable even mentioning it in the press tells me that there's a lot of talk about it. Management has to squash that fast. 

blaiseda
blaiseda

45 at bats is not enough from my POV.  Give him some time to leave AAA behind. 

To doubleday:  we traded the reigning Cy Young winner because Sandy knew he would never repeat that year and he hasn't.  He has reverted to a typical knucklballer.... 200+ innings, 3.5 - 4.25 ERA.  Serviceable because of the 200 innings but not worth the contract and we robbeed Toronto.  Think Toronto would like to bring up Noah for their pennat race?  prospects dont always turn out but that doesn't mean the trade was wrong.  Every single GM including Toronto's would have made that trade if they were the Mets GM.

Doubleday
Doubleday

At the end of the day, Sandy traded the reigning Cy Young Award winner to get TDA.  You can't keep him in AAA forever.  Either he learns on the job or you cut your losses and move on.

Gabriel Luna
Gabriel Luna

Even if the PCL is a notorious hitters league, I think TDA needed a shot of confidence and right now he is raking, so it would be nice to come back to the bigs with his spirits lifted.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I had high hopes for the guy last season but he rarely put two decent games together. And his defense has been shaky at times (note the number of dropped or mishandled third-strikes). I honestly believe that most Met fans (and people on this site) genuinely want the kid to do well. So let's give him a chance. And if things don't work-out find a veteran interim catcher who can actually, y'know, HIT.

Doubleday
Doubleday

A "Confidant"???  Don't we have scouts and minor league personnel?  WTF????

dukewillie
dukewillie

Great idea Sandy. Let's promote d'Arnaudan offensively challenged rookie catcher, whom you sent down to minors to try and resurrect his confidence and tweak his swing, against the best pitching staff in the AL. Way to setup your young players for success. I hope for his sake, d'Arnaud proves me wrong.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Nice guy good catcher, poor hitter, he wont be the last one! If his defense is bad I'd cut him, but we have to wait a while and be patient for his bat to arrive!

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

If you are going to bring up D'arnuad and bat him 8th, you may as well keep him at triple a or do him a favor and trade him.
Bring him up and bat him 2nd,  in back of a E.Young or Granderson who can steal, and in front of Murphy who can hit.  If Wright and Duda ever got going, that would make it even better for D'arnaud in the 2 hole.   But Collins mistreats every single one of his young players, has no clue how to handle them which is why none of them ever turn into anything.

tullers
tullers

Think it would be a wiser move to bring him back on the road...home fans are notoriously rough on struggling players.  This was part of the same mistake they made with Davis last year.

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Let me see him do it on a Major League level. What I have seen so far is awful.

Russ Sullivan
Russ Sullivan

Just let him stay in AAA for the year now. Stop shuffling these kids around. The team is not winning anything this year. Let these kids play whether it be in AAA or the majors. Just let them play

Tortured Mets Fan
Tortured Mets Fan

Too soon keep him in vegas until September. Let this kid figure it out triple A. If he comes up now he will continue to hurt the mets and his own future in baseball. If he stays in vegas and continues to play well it might be what he needs to be successful in the bigs.


As for his "Options" lets be honest this is his last shot with the mets. If he comes up and stinks .200 or below he needs to be moved out of this town. Option or not that shouldn't be the mets concern it should be figuring out if TDA is a bust or not!

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Surprised this is the first I've heard of the option situation regarding d'Arnaud. Originally I was against bringing him back before the all-star break, but with this being the case and with how he's hit down there, I'd say now is is the right time to bring him back.

Jatin A. Shah
Jatin A. Shah

This is off topic to this post but how about this trade.  


Murphy, Niese & prospect (Plawecki?) for Stanton?

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CERRONE-

HOW ABOUT A POST ABOUT TERRY'S QUOTE:

“We’ve got to start winning. We don’t have time to develop players right at the moment.”



cliffy44
cliffy44

Shawn, I don't like the muslim-In-Chief either; BUT, your post was childish, immature and meaningless.
Why did you find the need to publicly display your ignorance?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Agreed. Just have him meet the team in Pittsburgh after the Oakland series. Still beats the deadline to keep his option and lets him open on the road

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

@Joe Wenzel He is a Captial A -hole and should have been fired a looooong time ago--strike that--he should have never been hired.

Bat the kid 2nd and leave them there.  Protect him with Murphy, Wright and Granderson--  not Bartolo and Tejada.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@Joe Wenzel Right.  And Terry is the field boss, and isn't in charge of player development anymore (Thank God), so why doesn't he stay in his lane and let the other people on the staff decide who is ready for the ML roster, and pay more attention to managing the team on the field, which he shows no instinct for, whatsoever.  

Starz31
Starz31

@Kenneth Meltsner Mets fan should give him a chance. He's a rookie playing in his first full season in the majors (was). 

@Doubleday - How about the manager of the team down there? He MIGHT be a good person to talk to. 

Ed Zoubi
Ed Zoubi

@dukewillie dont forget its at citi field as well. i would think maybe have him come back to a more friendly park (just about any park but citi) to gain his confidence in the majors.

Elz Roche
Elz Roche

@George Komninakis you are right, for someone who was a minor league field coordinator Collins has no idea how to use his young players... At this point he is more concerned with getting a win here and there than developing the young guys.The whole thing with him not giving Lagares playing time when he was our best hitter drove me crazy, how about we give Wilmer some consistent at bats?

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

@tullers You are absolutely right, hopefully he comes back a contact hitter, the guy swings for the fences too much! He can get away with that in the PCL but the big leagues are something else!!!!

Starz31
Starz31

@Tortured Mets Fan He has figured out AAA. He played well there last seaon too. 


Last shot with the mets? haha, ok. He's a rookie catcher who started his first full season in the majors. Give the kid time. He missed a lot of time the past two years due to injury and on top of that has had to dela with trying to figure out how to hit major league pitching while playing in a very difficult town. 

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Eddie_Dean  It's the 1st you've heard of it cause you depended on the people at Metsblog. I wrote about it in the comment section of their last d'Arnaud post where Cerrone predicted he wouldn't return till late July with Syndergaard and that this was his last chance as he was out of options next season. However if you clicked on the links in the post the June 27th cutoff was mentioned in 1 as well as a Met official saying he would spend less than 20 days in AAA in another

Starz31
Starz31

@Jatin A. Shah Of course you make that trade. But the Marlins never would, as they shouldn't. 

tullydew
tullydew

Murphy doesn't have much trade value.

The Marlins are only 1.5 games out of 1st place. They aren't trading Stanton.

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@Jatin A. Shah Daniel Murphy is a Good Hitter, but you cannot carry his Defense and Daily Boneheaded Mistakes on a true contending team

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Jatin A. Shah If I'm the Met's I go help all three of them pack. But would that be enough for the Marlins? Considering Murphy could walk after next year as well as the fact that trade would add 15M plus payroll next year for them

jamets
jamets

@Jatin A. Shah The Marlins wouldn't want Murphy or Niese - they both make too much money.  If they decide to move Stanton, its going to take more than that and they need to be all prospects and pre-arb players.

spelletrader
spelletrader

It's not about winning either, not really. They're going to keep starting any and all potential trade pieces, in hopes of increasing their value.

Teams will be looking at Murphy, Colon, Abreu, possibly dice-k. Hopefully players like Tejada, Duda or Teagarden can string a few good weeks together and be a minor part of a deal somewhere.

Not Chris Young though. There is no hope there.

jamets
jamets

@D  Terry is right.  The major leagues isn't the place to develop players.  He should be focused on trying to win games, even with this collection of crap he has to work with.

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

@Not4Nutten @George Komninakis  Well lets see how he does batting 2nd when he is getting fastballs instead of nothing but breaking balls.    

I agree with you--his numbers do not justify him batting 2nd.   However I am betting his numbers suck because he isn't protected in the line-up.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Brian Webster Well, I don't depend on Metsblog exclusively. Listen to WFan, follow the Mets on SNY, ntm several other sources. And I just don't recall anyone mentioning this before when the topic of when d'Arnaud would be back was brought up. Seems like a pretty big factor to overlook.

George Komninakis
George Komninakis

@citifield @Jatin A. Shah Marlins are not trading Stanton..   Not even if you offered them Noah, Wheeler, Pawlecki and Nimmo.   

We could get a Cargo or Tulo  but no way in hell we getting Stanton.

owlnut
owlnut

@jamets @D He just realized this? He's been playing with a minor league team for years. He certainly hasn't taught them anything. Having a minor league team in Las Vegas doesn't help prepare players for the bigs because all the batting stats are skewed. All these hitters who were raking the ball come to the majors and are a bust.

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@jamets @D really? the Marlins and Astros sure are developing young players, and in the case of the Marlins, they are winning too... the Astros are on their way... and the Mets keep trotting out Tejada and CY

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

@George Komninakis @Not4Nutten the advantage of a number 8 hitter is that you will see more strikes, if the ball is over the plate and you can't hit it, it's a problem. He was swinging and still is like a number 3-4 hitter with total disregard with men on base. He's got to choke up and move those runners along and I don't see that happening anytime soon!

jamets
jamets

@owlnut @jamets @D  I agree, it sounds like we might have a problem with the coaching staff at Las Vegas.  The guys down there are putting up good numbers in the PCL, but none of them seem prepared for the majors. 

Elz Roche
Elz Roche

@Not4Nutten @George Komninakis no disrespect but that doesnt make any sense. How is he supposed to see more strikes and pitches to hit with the pitcher batting behind him? They just pitch around him. I agree with george in that batting him second will afford him some protection and will definitely get more pitches to hit instead of breaking balls in hitters counts because the pitcher doesnt care if he walks him. The 8th spot is generally reserved for a veteran hitter that will understand when he is being pitched around.

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@jamets @owlnut @D Maybe... just maybe.... going from having a real actual manager who knows what he is doing to a manager and staff who have absolutely no clue what they are doing (AND ROTTING ON THE BENCH)... maaayyyybe THAT has something to do with it....

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jamets @owlnut @D I don't know that I'd say that. Lagares has looked pretty good when healthy. deGrom's looked pretty solid as well. Flores really hasn't been given the opportunity to play enough for us to know what he is. d'Arnaud's really the only prospect to come up and seriously fail so far, and hopefully he'll turn that around. We'll see.

jamets
jamets

@D @jamets @owlnut  Either way, I expect Terry and Wally both to be gone after this year.  So we'll see what happens with some new blood in both spots next year.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jamets @D @owlnut The only reason Wally would be gone is b/c someone finally smartened up and gave him a major league offer to be a manager. Otherwise I expect him back next year. As far as what evidence I have that he gets players ready for the majors, well I'm pretty sure Juan Lagares, Jacob deGrom, Vick Black, Josh Edgin, Jeurys Familia, and Matt Harvey all played for him on some level of the minor leagues, and some on multiple levels of the minors. All look like major league players, at least, to me right now.


Also, Puello is tied for 3rd on the team in games played, and 4th in ABs. How is that not an everyday player? He can't play him every single day for 9 innings though. He's got to get den Decker and (when he goes back down) Newenhuis ABs as well in case either of them need to be called up again.

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@jamets @D @owlnut lol, please provide evidence that:

A) Terry Collins is a Winner that gets players to overachieve

B) Wally Backman is a Loser that gets players to underachieve


I await your response 

jamets
jamets

@Eddie_Dean  Yes, as a AAA manager Wally has obviously managed guys who are now major leaguers.  Pretty sure every AAA manager can say that.  My question is, what makes you think Wally is better at getting these guys ready for the big leagues than any other career minor league manager?

Do you believe our minor leaguers arrive in the major better prepared to succeed than the guys from the other 29 teams?  If so, what do you base that opinion on?  Because that is not what I am seeing.

jamets
jamets

@D @jamets @owlnut  It is impossible to prove either one.  Just like it is impossible to prove the opposite.


All I know is that Wally has one job - to get guys ready for the majors.  What evidence have you seen that he is good at that? 


And how do explain Wally not playing Puello, his only prospect, everyday?  Is that what Wally thinks is the best way to develop Puello, or is Wally more concerned about winning games in AAA?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jamets Let me ask you, what player has come up with the talent to play in the majors, but so woefully unprepared that they had to send him back down? d'Arnaud and Montero are really the only ones I can think of. Everyone else has either gotten injured or never was much more than a AAAA player anyway. But again, Lagares, Harvey, etc (the guys actually talented enough to be major leaguers) have all stuck after spending long stints with him in the upper levels of the minors.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jamets I don't know how many different ways I can say it. I just named a bunch of players who got to the majors ready to play, all of whom played for him at some point, some of whom played for him at multiple levels. What other standard can we use? If that counts for nothing, then there's just no way whatsoever to evaluate a minor league manager and they might as well throw darts to pick the minor league skippers.


The only other possible way I can think of to evaluate him would be wins & losses, but he's got a great track record there too which you will probably discount as unimportant.

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@jamets @D @owlnut Eddie Dean pretty much nailed it for me, so no need to repeat him.. but I will say this...

When it comes to getting a team to play hard.... Wally has the challenge of managing young men in Las Vegas, which in itself is a distraction, but even more is that the team has to play many games in 100+ degree las vegas scorching heat... yet he still manages to keep them playing hard, focused, and winning baseball...

Meanwhile, Terry manages a lifeless team and whines about his team being tired in early June when they haven't even seen 95 degrees yet...