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Mets don’t want to deal Syndergaard for SS, but they’ve got other options

The Mets are looking to trade for a shortstop, but are they not willing to part with Noah Syndergaard to make it happen (Heyman, March 18).

The D-Backs and now looking to trade SS prospect Didi Gregorius for a big-league-ready starting pitcher to offset the loss of their ace, Patrick Corbin, according to an industry source (ESPN, Mar. 19).

Arizona had two scouts watching Mets minor leaguers at Tradition Field on Tuesday (ESPN, Mar. 19).

The potential swap between the Mets and D-Backs for Gregorius is worth watching because “it has legs,” according to a person unaffiliated with the two teams (Rubin, Mar. 19).

It was reported that Arizona preferred to trade SS Chris Owings, who has drawn comparisons to Craig Biggio, while Gregorius is better known for his infield defense.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It reads like Rafael Montero, Jeurys Familia and Jenrry Mejia are going to be Sandy Alderson’s best shot at trading for a young shortstop, whether Gregorius, Owings or M’s SS Nick Franklin. The D-Backs really like Travis d’Arnaud and Kevin Plawecki, as well. I’ve heard from people who know that team who say they’d be open to something like Montero and d’Arnaud, or Syndergaard and Plawecki, but that is way too much for one of their infielders, so I wonder if other players can be had from Arizona, as well.

I also can’t see Alderson trading Montero, Familia or Mejia to get Franklin, who may end up being only slightly better than Wilmer Flores – especially when the Mets can just cave, give free-agent SS Stephen Drew a two-year, $20 million deal, keep their prospects and be done with this nonsense. Signing Drew would move Tejada to the bench, allow Flores to keep working at shortstop in Triple-A and save prospects for a bigger, better deal in the next year (and still probably leave ammunition to trade for a Franklin or Gregorius if there is still a need).

In regards to Drew, yes, I think two-years and $20 million can get it done, and I have no idea why that is an issue for Alderson. I can only assume Drew’s agent, Scott Boras, is still holding out for more. Worst-case, Drew is under contract as a utility guy next year at what is not a roster-crushing rate. I know he’s not an All Star, and probably worth less than that deal, but with so few internal options and a reluctance to trade pitching it’s the easiest way to end this discussion, solidify the position and regain leverage in the trade market. The Mets would need to part with a third-round pick to sign Drew, but it has never sounded to me like that is a huge hurdle for Alderson.

In the end, I still think Tejada will be the Opening Day shortstop, which you can read more about here, but I don’t think his place there will last forever… and maybe not even beyond the first week of the season.




269 comments
Ken Copen
Ken Copen

Wow the D'backs will take Syndergaard and Plawecki off our hands for their backup shortstop? How generous!

qualcomm
qualcomm

Sandy, we're going to run all of the D-Backs awful shortstops out of town, so don't bother.  

It goes like this for me:

1- Tulo
2- Reyes
3- Flores
4- Drew

Pick one and move on.

qualcomm
qualcomm

No way Sandy does any of that.  He could be the stingiest guy in the league to deal with;  he's not trading a great affordable young starter like Mejia or Montero for someone's backup shortstop.   Why would he?

Catching is a premium, you'd get premium talent back.

Seriously, Flores please.  

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Chicago doesn't want to give up Javier Baez? Maybe Colorado becomes trading partners with the Mets (Troy and/or Cargo)

Would the Angels eat up some of Pujos' contract and send him to NY?

Tony Korec
Tony Korec

While the Mets desperately need a shortstop, none of those mentioned are remotely worth the asking price. Do not make any of those deals. While I'm not enamored with Drew, we would be better off signing him on the two year deal you indicated rather than dealing our top talent for mediocre shortstops.

mets63
mets63

I would trade d Anoud now while we can get something for him.throw in Montero.Play Recker.How many pitchers do we need Need At AAA?Get Franklin

TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

Why dump a good pitcher on a crappy SS if, as many claim, will be a 75 win team. No thank you.

bunky
bunky

Knowing Sandy, he's looking at not only Gregorious but wants to get Jonathan Griffin thrown in as well.

happy hank
happy hank

u know what i just noticed Hak-Ju Lee is the 84th best prospect according to John Mayo and Rafael Montero is the 85th best prospect according to Mayo. Hmmmm that's interesting. i would really like to hold onto Montero and would much rather give up Gee. but i really like Lee too. i like Lee much more then Didi, Owings or Franklin.

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

Hold up.  What's this talk of Syndergaard being a major-league-ready pitcher?  He's got to stay in the minors until at least June, remember?

Shawn R. Babcock
Shawn R. Babcock

I'm not thrilled about it, but what about Mejia for Didi? I saw enough from Mejia last year to think he should be the #5...yet, the Mets keep giving the job to old vets. If I was ARZ, i'd be interested. Mejia is MLB ready and solid. But...that's it, ARZ. Didi for Mejia straight up.

harveydog
harveydog

I'd have no issues with Didi if I wasn't such a huge "start Lagares everyday" apologist. The 2 are one-in-the-same only at different positions. I think you can afford to have one glove-only guy on an NL team but not 2. Might as well use the guy in house and not deal prospects for Didi.

Shawn R. Babcock
Shawn R. Babcock

The cost for these guys is INSANE. I would be SO upset if we give two HUGE prospects for a defensive SS.

Has the world gone mad? Yes, you could just sign Drew. Or cut Tejada and play Q and Seratelli who play solid defense, for no cost.

If Thor or D'Arnou'd are traded for one of these guys I'm gonna yack. Who thinks Didi is worth the haul we got for a freshly crowned Cy Young winner?! Pure insanity.

wingo43
wingo43

We're not going anywhere this season anyhow.  I'm not trading a prized pitching prospect for a SS who can field but can't hit.  Let's just go with Tejada/Flores/Q and get through this year and then we can look to sign Hardy or Lowrie next season.

Pauly Pins
Pauly Pins

haaaaaaaaaaaaaa oy vay doesnt baseball start next week

tw22
tw22

Didi has shown no ability to hit major league pitching consistently. Chances are he spends opening day in triple A camp. Jeez, Cincinnatti traded him over Zack Cozart and that kid can't hit either, that tells you all you need to know about Gregorious. I live in Tucson, I see the Backs 162 times, Owings is the prospect, Gregorious was the bridge to get them to Owings, they got Didi relatively cheap so they don't mind putting him on ice. Its a one for one deal and don't even bring up a catcher.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

You give up 1 for one by no means do you give up two for one. Thor is untouchable and so is Degrom. If it's Montero for DiDi done in a heartbeat. Montero for Franklin done i'll even pack his bags. Now if they want a proven starting pitcher bye Dillon Gee. I'm more then happy starting the season with a rotation of


Colon

Wheeler

Mejia

Thor

Lannan

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

Here is the problem with Met fans, they will rip a guy like DiDi G and yet cry for Flores to play short. Am I missing something? 

Kenneth Arthur Kiesling
Kenneth Arthur Kiesling

Isn't it true that the Met's don't want to sign Drew for a second year, because of the great SS class next year?

Mark Schuckman
Mark Schuckman

@PlayMHSSports I vote Wilmer Flores for SS.  Give him a chance to prove himself.  The METS lineup need offense.

David Wright
David Wright

Didi seems weak like Ruben. 2 X10M just Drew it.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@qualcomm And you'll be crying because the top 2 will cost you at least Montero and Plawecki more then likely more. The third is all hype and had to be moved from short because he lacked the range. Hasn't proven he can hit in the majors and if he doesn't you'll be crying to have him run out of town. And if you think for 1 second your adding the top 2's salary you haven't been paying attention to this team have you? And Drew let's count the reasons why any of the young SS's are a better choice. Fielding they are all close if anything DiDi G get's the advantage in that category


Power Franklin get's the nod in that category, while the other 3 are close. Payroll and age wise Drew comes last in that category. More expensive and a heck of a lot older oh and comes with an injury history. Reyes injury history, Tulo injury history and again ownership is not picking up Tulo's or Reyes contract give it up already. I guess you don't realize DiDi G, Owings, and Franklin were all rookies last year and put up numbers equal to better then Drew. And they could only get better.


And finally if you seen any of last year you would know the Mets problem and also what they are trying to accomplish. Harvey by all means should've had a lot more wins then what he ended up with but the team couldn't hit. Adding a Franklin or DiDi G adds a hitter to a position that was god awful last year. Yeah Franklin hit 230 blah blah if he gets 600 ab's he hit's 240 20-22 hr's and 70-80 RBI's. Your telling me this lineup can't use that production? DiDi hits 250-260 13hr's and 50-60 RBI's if you ask me these sound like Drew numbers and these kids could only get better.


If I'm Sandy Mejia and Black is my offer to Seattle take it or leave it. But to call Ari's SS's crap is a joke have you watched what this team has been throwing out there. If so Ari's SS's would look like hall of famers.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@qualcomm Your suggesting to trade a catcher when you have 2 and crying about trading a pitcher which this team is supposedly stocked with. Can you explain that to me?


Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@qualcomm Dude really did you just use great and Mejia and Montero in the same sentence. Are you out of your gourd? Montero has never thrown an inning in the majors and Mejia is always hurt it would be a miracle if he can stay healthy for a month. Let's temper the hype a little here it's truly getting embarrassing.

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@Jimmy BX And Baez ain't even a SS which is why their changing his position. Go check up how many errors he had last year. And the year before that oh but he can hit yup can hit minor league pitching real good

nsmooth
nsmooth

If the cubs offered Javier Baez for montero we would do it faster than you could say "dickey plawecki"!!!!

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

Not me buddy, Nolan Ryan was traded so anybody can get traded.

Josh PlaysBass Agudo
Josh PlaysBass Agudo

I love that idea, Recker is a beast! And in my opinion better than d,Arnaud I would like to see Baez for the SS position. I truly can't stand nor tolerate Ruben Tejada!

qualcomm
qualcomm

@bunky  lol yeah, Sandy will come in to your garage sale and walk out with your wife, all your money and your TV

Tony Korec
Tony Korec

I like Lee too, but I wouldn't give up Gee for him. I would explore other options to get him though!

James
James

@Bo Beck  If DiDi was available as an FA or on the team, then I would agree with you, the problem is if they are trying to get D'Arnaud Plaweki or Thor for DiDi Arizona is crazy.

jamets
jamets

All the reports I've heard are the MEts are willing to go to 2 years, but Drew isn't.  He wants 1 year plus a player option, which the Mets shouldn't agree to. 

helloboy
helloboy

@Kenneth Arthur Kiesling  No.  They do not want to sign Drew because they are not paying 10M to anyone else.  They also do not want to give up any more picks.  Plus, Drew is OK, but not great.  He is mainly a name.  There are other less prestigious names with similar numbers.

helloboy
helloboy

@David Wright  Didi has plus pop for a SS.  He had 8 HR with less than 400 AB's.  He would hit around 10 in a full season.  He is a better hitter than Tejada overall.  He is also better defensively than Drew and hits lefties a bit better than Drew.  Gregorious is probably a better overall WAR guy as his defense is excellent and his offense is average.  He does have an OBP against righties that is quite awesome and allows him to lead off in that role. 

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@nsmooth Forget Baez he is untouchable and Tulo I guess you guys don't do your research Colorado don't want what the Mets have. Secondly ownership is not picking up his contract.

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

@Steven Matregrano @Bo Beck  Exactly. deGrom is probably a bullpen arm in the majors whereas Montero looks like a solid #3. I'm not giving up solid pitching for a one way player. I've read that the Arizona GM doesn't get a long with Alderson from their days in San Diego so maybe that's where the insane asking price is coming from. 

happy hank
happy hank

@James @Bo Beck  Kevin Towers traded Upton for martin prado even though he had matt davidson almost ready. he is Crazy

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

@tk2120 @helloboy @David Wright  - how many SS hit 10 or more HRs last year? Not too many in the NL right? Maybe 5-7? Gregorius hit 7 though anyway I thought and not 8. That's still probably 7 more than Tejada will hit but. I would say 7 hr from SS is still better than average but nothing to write home about if it comes with a .250 average and a .330 OBP. As a package it's better than average but nothing worth giving up solid pitching for. 

tk2120
tk2120

@helloboy @tk2120 @David Wright  ok 10-15 ill take....i dont like giving up any of our top 5 for him, id rather roll with flores...who knows what they'll do..id have given up plawecki & montero for owings

Bo Beck
Bo Beck

@tk2120 @helloboy@David Wright The guy was a rookie last year he has 10-15 hr power, much better defensively then Terada, Flores, Drew, and Franklin. He has shown more pop then Flores and Tejada. Flores, Lagares and Tejada couldn't now could they?

helloboy
helloboy

@tk2120 @helloboy @David Wright  He is fairly consistent on HR by AB, even in the minors.  Tejada can't hit 5 by accident. 


His pop is OK for his position.  He is a very good defender.  He is a legitimate lead off guy when facing righties with a .355 OBP against such.  Probably an 8 hole guy against LHP.  


is glove and arm are legit.  An OK hitter with outstanding defense can play for me.   He is plus WAR every year.