Mets could use 6-man rotation with Dice-K or Montero

In an effort to get Zack Wheeler and Jacob deGrom some extra rest, the Mets may add a sixth starter to their rotation after September 1 (Star-Ledger, Aug. 26).


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“When it comes to September, and you’re going to need a spot start, by then it may be Rafael Montero or Daisuke Matsuzaka,” Terry Collins said Sunday. “I think you’ve got to find out what you are looking for from these guys down the road.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Top pitching prospect Noah Syndergaard probably has three, maybe four, more starts in him this season before reaching his team-imposed innings limit. I really, really thought he’d get here in September, if for no other reason than the team has to add him to the 40-man roster before this December anyway. But, it’s looking more and more likely that his debut will have to wait until next season…

In that case, I’d like to see Matsuzaka enter the rotation. This way, the team can maybe get a look at Montero in the bullpen, just to say how he fits in there. He has more value as a starting pitcher, he’s shown he can succeed in the rotation, but, there is no telling how the rotation and bullpen will shake out next year, and it would be nice to know if he’s capable of filling more than one hole on the roster. The way I understand it, he has plenty of innings left to pitch a full season and there is less concern about his physical state because of his smooth and simple delivery. So, give him a shot, why not? Of course, if they trade Bartolo Colon, that changes all of the above…




21 comments
Bob Burket
Bob Burket

Terry Collins said Sunday. “I think you’ve got to find out what you are looking for from these guys down the road".    Is Collins a nitwit or what?  Down what road is he talking about?  It's almost Sept. Collins look at your record and the standings. Play it out and go home.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Montero's last start with Mets was great so he should get 1st shot to start in 6 man rotation. It'd be the best way to build up his value for a potential offseason trade. Plus since I'm hoping for an offseason trade of more than 1 SP it's more important to see if Montero can stick in the rotation in case they trade a few of the others and need him to be in next year's rotation. Expecting him to be in next year's BP means your still expecting a logjam of SP which means you're not expecting a trade which I don't want to do right now.

dolemite
dolemite

I can see Gee or Niese being dealt this winter with Montero or Syndergaard.  Both Jon and Dillon would carry more value than Bart for most teams (Colorado, Toronto)

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

My gut says Syndergaard will be a chip in an off-season trade.Or, maybe Sandy feels he is not ML ready. The only way to find out is to bring him up and give him the ball.

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Extra rest? Why? They're not used enough now!!!!! They need to pitch much more to strengthen their arms.

dave42
dave42

I don't see how trading Bartolo changes the equation at all.  Put Dice-K and Montero in the rotation with Niese, Gee, Wheeler and deGrom for the last 5 weeks.  That's 6 right?  Or is my math off?

dolemite
dolemite

Have to disagree with you Art -

Noah hasn't shown the ability to locate the way he needs to and there are guys ahead of him in the pecking order - namely Montero.  Bring up Noah now doesn't increase the payroll right now, it will impact it once he hits arbitration (early).

Montero for this team has to be looked at as a trading chip though, and you mentioned Matt that his value is greater as a starter.  His up and down season has taken a bit of his shine off.  Two or three good starts would do a lot to increase his value.

Art Dockerty
Art Dockerty

It is smoke and mirrors and a lot of people buy it. They just dont want to pay Noah. Raise the salary level to $125 million and show the fans some honesty!

nagel100
nagel100

@Bob Burket down the road means 2015.  this team does not have the talent to win anything.


now you add Harvey, Parnell, a legit bat in LF and a SS and a healthy Wright and this is a different team.


if the Wilpons keep the payroll at 75-80 million you can forget about it but even a 90 million dollar payroll could get it done.


next year is murphy's last with NY because I believe Dilson is the real deal and will be our second baseman in 2016.( or sooner) 


CF, IB, CF are taken care of.  we have some chips to move next year in Murphy, Kevin P and perhaps Gee, Colon and Niese.


those 5 should get you a ss from some organization.  the more i think about it the more i think the mets need to offer a 3 year deal to Cuddyer.  LF and some time at first against lefties.


he should be the big addition other than ss which will be much harder to fill.  Yanks, Dodgers are both going to out-bid Mets on any free agent.  a trade will be required.


I'm very  happy with our young arms in the bullpen ( and the rotation) Citi field is perfect for us.  I prefer Familla as the closer but why worry about that. Having Parnell (a healthy Parnell of course)  means we have some serious heat coming out of the pen every game.  Mejia, Black, Edgin , Familla and Parnell would be a great start to any bullpen  and we would just need to add another situational lefty. 


Steve Matz is waiting in the wings and to me he flying under the radar.  he is killing it at AA.  his last 10 games he is sitting at a 1.65 ERA.


he could make the jump to the bigs anytime.  I'm also not worked about Noah and he cannot be moved unless Stanton is the target.


Harvey, Wheeler, DeGrom, Noah, Matz will  ( should be our rotation by 2016.)   Niese, Gee, Colon and Montero are primary trade chips along with KP.







mets1996
mets1996

@MetsFan1962 He has a 5 era in the minors. I think it's pretty obvious he isnt ready.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Syndergaard is one of Sandys guys,I don't think he is going anywhere.I think if a top guy goes it will be Degrom but I think Sandy will try to get it done by moving Neise,Gee,or Montero.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

If they trade Bart they do not have to decide if DiceK or Montero goes to the pen.Thats how it changes the equation.

James
James

@dolemite I don't think he gets arbitration any earlier now, the Super 2 bit doesn't apply since he will have been in the minors as long as he has.

You're an idiot for mentioning his ERA in Vegas...get a clue, bud.

Art Dockerty
Art Dockerty

Ur an mlb executive? I understand enough to run this team. That is wvhy u hire people who actually understand the present day teams. Can't be cheap, especially in NY. So if ur supporting how this team is run you know so much less than u think.

mets1996
mets1996

Yeah really. Why judge someone based on performance. Vegas is a tough place to pitch, but they are still aaa hitters.

NorthWest
NorthWest

@mets1996 He would be dominant in city field. Watch him pitch instead of just looking at his ERA on the internet

James
James

@NorthWest @mets1996 He has not been dominant in AAA, I doubt you have watched him that much more than he he has.  His ERA is not everything, but others have pitched much better in Las Vegas than he has.  Maybe he will step up when given the chance, but maybe he just isnt ready yet, heck even he said he isn't ready yet.