Mets could move Murphy…for a hefty price

MLB: New York Mets at San Diego PadresThe Mets aren’t actively shopping All-Star second baseman Daniel Murphy, but that doesn’t mean he’s not available. If you want Murphy though, you are going to pay a heavy price.

The Mets don’t want to trade their lone All-Star, but if they received enough in return they would consider doing it according to ESPN’s Jayson Stark via MLBTraderumors.com:

Stark hears that they’d “definitely” move him if they received enough quality in return. I’d imagine the asking price on Murphy to be very high, given Alderson’s reluctance to sell off assets that are under control beyond the current season.

Murphy is hitting .284 for the Mets with seven home runs and 38 RBIs.  Murphy is on a 1-year deal that pays him $5.7 million deal. That deal was completed in January and  avoided arbitration. He has one more year of arbitration eligibility before he’s eligible for free agency in 2016.


 




104 comments
baseballnblues
baseballnblues

I get it, but wouldn't do it. Even with his more than occasional miscue on defense he is a premier hitter in the NL and looks to stay that way for quite some time. I don't think his defense will improve much but his bat has yet to hit its prime. But then I think about selling high and that the Mets system has some talent at 2B behind Murphy. I love his grit and his ability to play in NYC and excel...I'm generally torn here because they must replace him with a bat that is at least as good. Who is that exactly? Not a big fan of Flores, who I believe the Mets are thinking about for 2B if they trade Murphy. Don't like his swing or his pitch recognition...I get the feeling he might be one of those outstanding AAA hitters that never puts it together in the big leagues. Hope I'm wrong about him.

donw
donw

Moving Murphy is logical.  With the Wilpons teetering on bankruptcy, it makes sense to trade him now before his salary doubles and invest in SS instead.  We have unproven but viable options at 2B, but none at SS.  Murphy's value is probably as high as it will ever be.

steveballs
steveballs

Giants just picked up Peavy from the Red Sox. Dodgers will be desperate to make a move. Joc Pederson anyone?

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

His performance at 2nd base last night was absolutely pathetic. His defense this year has been very sub par and it should be a concern. 

mets63
mets63

Good luck relacing 180 to 200 hits.If he goes to the Yankees or Baltimore he will hit 20 homeruns

WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

I've been a Murphy fan since he came up and has shown he has worked hard, but I've grown tired of his still inconsistent play. 2 grounders right between his legs and an ill advised throw and another missed double play. If the Mets can get another high average hitter with some defense I'd let him go.

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

I've always been a fan of Murph's--but if there is such a thing as "Selling high", now's the time to move Murph. Middle infield is a spot where the Mets have a lot of minor league talent--Wilmer Flores, Dilson Herrera, Matt Reynolds, TJ Rivera. Between those 4 players they should be able to find a 2nd baseman and SS in the near future.


On a related note, I hope they are not serious about trading for Tulowitzki. He would cost a lot in terms of talent--probably two or more good young arms, and one or more good position-player prospects--for a guy who plays great when healthy, but has a terrible history of injuries. Plus, his contract is so rich that you can forget about signing any free agents.


Move Colon, move Murph. Save money & get an outfielder this off-season. Realistically, the team is not going anywhere this year--but a few strategic moves, and next year could be ours.

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

If i remember correctly SA tried to trade Murphy during the winter but didn't as his asking price was too high, given that he has already tried, Murphy will be due a pay raise in the coming years, his lack of defense and instincts on the bases he will be moved during the winter this year. Couple this with the fact that Herrera is killing it and will need to go on the 40 man roster to be protected I think the chances are 100% Murphy is moved.  I also don't think this column along with Herrera's on the beginning of the Mets minors listing his stats at the same time is no accident. they are prepping the fan base for what is to come.


I agree 100% with this move, why pay more $ for Murphy when he is soon to be entering his 30's ( a time when his lack of range will diminish even more and he will be more injury prone) when you can still get a good haul in terms of player/prospects in trade for him ( player or prospects can be flipped for a big OF bat) and Herrera who will need to be on the 40 is waiting in the wings and will be making less $. Those dollars can be used to pay the big bat above or as part of the $ to sign a free agent.


http://metsminorleagueblog.com/analysis/dilsons-dozen-herrera-just-keeps-hitting/

Michael Portanova
Michael Portanova

I think when all is said and done Flores will be a better player than murph and tejada and one of them has to go. Obviously, I'd prefer that they dump Tejada but if you can get something useful for Murph I'd do it.

wingo43
wingo43

I think we trade him now.  He's entering his last year of arbitration eligibility.  He'll be a free agent after next season, so if I'm a team that's interested in him, I'm not going to give up very much knowing I could lose him after only one season.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Murphy is a homegrown guy who has developed into a very nice player, so knowing my fellow Mets fans as well as I do, I expect that not many are going to be interested in moving Murphy. As far as I am concerned, if it benefits the team then I say move him. There are a couple things at play here which make me feel this way. The Mets are built on young, power pitching. If they are going to contend for championships, it is going to be this pitching that gets them there. When you have a team that relies on their pitching, it is absolutely imperative that you are strong defensively up the middle (C-2B-SS-CF). Murphy isn't exactly known for his defense. At best, Murphy is adequate & can hold his own at the position. He is never going to be a Robinson Cano or Edgardo Alfonso defensively. A lot of people underemphasize the importance of being strong up the middle, but that is nothing short of foolish & ignorant. Teams like the Tigers & Angels can afford to be average to below average defensively up the middle because they are built on offense, with some decent arms in the rotation. The Tigers & Angels are teams that are suited to win games 9-7 than they are to win 3-1, 3-2. The Mets are in the latter category & the only way that changes is if they completely overhaul their entire organizational philosophy on building a contending team. Sorry guys, not happening. The Mets will never be an offense-first team with the capability to pound teams into submission. Therefore, if I were the Mets, I would be very open to trading Murphy & going with a player who brings more to the table defensively, while also holding his own at the plate. The money that would be saved by not having to pay his final arbitration award & subsequent long-term extension can be used to upgrade offensively in LF & upgrade both offensively & defensively at SS. The Mets have two players in the system who would be immediate defensive upgrades over Murphy at a cheap cost. The first is Matt Reynolds (AAA), who is also hitting very well (.335/.405/.814). The second guy, who wouldn't be ready until 2016, is Dilson Herrera (AA). Herrera has struggled since moving to AA offensively, but he is considered a future Gold Golver at 2B, and a guy who will also be an above-average hitter. There's also a guy we are all familiar with, and that is Wilmer Flores. There's a good chance he will be part of a package to improve the offense this offseason, but should he return, he could be a solid replacement at 2B. Flores is VERY sound defensively at 2B & if he finds the stroke he has shown in the minors, he could wind up being an overall upgrade over Murphy.

That brings me to the second reason why I would be interested in trading Murphy. People are going to ask, "Where do you expect to replace the offense from the team's only All Star this year?" While it's a fair question, Murphy doesn't exactly bring irreplaceable tools & assets to the table. Offensively, Murphy does everything good; he's a good contact hitter, he has gap/doubles power, he can hit the long ball every once in a while, he has decent speed, and he doesn't chase too many bad pitches. Murphy doesn't excel in any one single area. When you think of the best hitters in the league, more pointedly left-handed hitters, you don't automatically think of Daniel Murphy. For his career thus far, Murphy averages .289/.333/.753/10 HR/69 RBI/12 SB/40 2B. Those are good numbers, but they aren't great. Most importantly, those are replaceable numbers. It's not like you'd be losing MVP offense by trading Murphy. Furthermore, Murphy isn't the type of offensive player the Mets are in dire need for right now. The Mets are in more need of a power hitter; a guy who can hit 30-40 HR & knock in 120 RBI. While trading Murphy - at the deadline or in the offseason - isn't going to bring that type of hitter here, there is a very good chance that one or two of the prospects the Mets get in return for Murphy could be important pieces that get a deal done for a Tulo, a CarGo, or a Stanton. That is where you replace Murphy's offense. You replace it by landing one or two big time hitters to play LF & SS, while upgrading defensively at 2B to stick with & support the organizational philosophy of winning through powerful, young starting pitching.

I like Murphy. I like him a lot. I like what Murphy brings to the Mets. He goes out there & gives 100% each & every day. He busted his rear end to learn a new position at 2B just so his bat could be in the lineup. He is a guy who is all about winning & would be happier going 0-4 in a win than he would going 4-4 in a loss. He is a guy who I would love to see finish his career as a Met, but I know that his highest value to the Mets right now is in the pieces the Mets would receive in a trade for him. The Mets aren't going reach the level of the Nationals and the Braves, let alone beating them out for a division title, until they get 2 more proven, power hitting players. Unless they want to revert their farm system back to ground zero by pillaging it to trade for the aforementioned 2 hitters, they are going to need to get a few more quality, high upside prospects. In order to do that they need to move both Bartolo Colon and Daniel Murphy. A lot of teams are in contention right now & there could be a serious bidding war - in terms of prospects - for Murphy's services for the rest of the year. The fact that he still has another year under team control & he seems to be moving upwards in terms of production makes him even more valuable. His value will never be as high as it is right now, not even this upcoming winter at the Owners' & GM Meetings. The Mets should take advantage of the position they are in & trade Murphy to the highest bidder. This is a situation where the Mets need to take 1 step back to move 2 steps forward. The team, as constructed right now, is not good enough to contend. Even with Harvey & Syndergaard in the rotation next year, they won't contend without serious offensive upgrades. Daniel Murphy isn't a player you build around; he is the type of complimentary player you add to a team's core when you are ready to contend. The Mets have a roster full of complimentary players & losing one - even one as like able as Murphy - isn't going to kill them in the long run, it will probably benefit them.

magma123
magma123

You only trade Murphy if you are offered at least a talent that can be had in the first 60 picks of the MLB draft.  If he is not extended and walks he will be offered a qualifying offer and will most likely get a contract.  That will get Sandy an extra draft pick with the bonus pool money in the top 11 to 70 picks.

queva
queva

Sometimes the trade not made are the best--you can't go wrong in keeping Murphy! 

Joseph Garofola
Joseph Garofola

They shouldn't trade Murphy. He's is the team's best hitter. And he is improving his defense every year he is at 2B.

rico
rico

Who went 3-4 and got the 9th inning rally started, scored their 1st round?

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Any deal involving Murph and Colon to San fran.. would have to start with the Giants #1 prospect Pitcher Kyle Crick...and a lot more.

John Schod
John Schod

This is the Mets' philosophy of subtraction by subtraction....

Let's get rid of a guy who is playing out of position for the sake of the team; shows up and plays hard every game; and, is the most consistent hitter on a feeble hitting team.

Makes sense to me!

John Masullo
John Masullo

yeah,i'd trade him in a heartbeat!!,he suck's as a 2nd baseman,he's having a freak year hitting,but this is his career yearmhe'll never see one like this again. dump him!!!

drmetfan
drmetfan

Tonight he is displaying why no need will really offer much for him. His defense sucks!

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

He piles up hits, also piles up outs, draws no walks, has little power, terrible D and decision making.  If someone offers something good, time for him to go.

bigdirty
bigdirty

I am indiffrent to a Murph deal. I dont think he is a championship type player. He is an awful fundementals player. he gets hits but doesnt drive in runs or hit for power. I hate his defense. he used to steal a base hear and there but he isnt speedy. 


I dont think the mets should have to pay him $10-12 mil a year. he isnt worth that type of expenditure. 


Taking Murphy off of this team doesnt really hurt it if you can use the assets the team gets in a deal for a middle of the order bat.


If a team is willing to give up a major prospect for murphy I gladdly take it. 

DON'T BE SLOPPY
DON'T BE SLOPPY

@Born2Fish74 Also Gary and Keith last night talked about trading Murph and if not where does he fit into the future of this team.  Gary made a point to say that "There is so much middle infield talent now in the minors for the mets" so who knows. 



Robert Hess
Robert Hess

@Kevin Joseph Patrick   GREAT,GREAT,Post!!  I just wonder what kind of trade Alderson can work out.  I'm so sick of hearing about Kemp and others.  I also don't think Tulo or Stanton are coming here.Part of this is the negative image of the Mets organization. They have not shown a willingness to produce a winning team.  They don't treat their young players well.  They have no respect for their fans.  Who would want to come here?

Frankly, the Mets are almost a second class team at this point.  I don't think that they should have signed David or Grandy to long term contracts and I don't think either of these guys are long term contributers.  If I were the Mets front office I would go as much as possible for prospects and I would look to trade Niese and Gee and hold onto the young arms.

tom25
tom25

@Kevin Joseph Patrick I agree on your points about Murphy....Herrera, though, is the opposite of the player you've described- scouts see him as stronger on offense than defense.   He was thought to be a rather poor fielder, but has improved.  And he has hit very well at  AA. He's certainly not someone who scouts would call a future gold glover.  Matt Reynolds profiles as a utility infielder.   

Misael Franqui
Misael Franqui

@Joseph Garofola Were you watching the game tonight, even though he started the rally in the ninth, he cost Wheeler a win.  We can't wait any longer for Murphy improve little by little, he needs to get it done on both ends!


tom25
tom25

@Albert E Lewis You're not getting an elite prospect for Colon and Murphy.  At best, we'd get one B prospect, and younger prospect with a high upside.

blueorange
blueorange

@john Masullo. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Career year! Yeah he made a bad play but he also makes good plays and his bat has been solid not just this year.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@BringBackDaveTelghe  Agree. He is a horrible second baseman, a terrible base runner and his obp is not great. Get a decent prospect back and play Flores the rest of the year.

7up17left
7up17left

@bigdirty If we were a big market team we would have the resources to pay a player like Murphy that kind of money....  


(I keep forgetting that we are called the NEW YORK Mets) 

Joseph Garofola
Joseph Garofola

No I didn't watch tonight game. From what I've seen so far this season he has Improved drastically since last year.

blueorange
blueorange

@misael. Get a grip, at least he made up for it with some hits. By the way he didn't cost wheeler a win. Wheeler(which pitched a brilliant game) gave up a HR to Gomez, so he left the game on the wrong side.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

They don't need pitching, but they need to upgrade the offense this offseason. If they land another team's top pitching prospect in a Colon/Murphy deal, it will soften the blow when they trade 2 or 3 of their top pitching prospects to land a proven power hitter. You can never have too many prospects when you are trying to improve your team via the trade market.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@Mike Nordon  I know but to insure we get something decent back id want Crick  and more since SF hitting prospects are not that great.

Misael Franqui
Misael Franqui

@blueorange The error added 22 pitches to that inning and Wheeler had to work harder to get out of the inning.

blueorange
blueorange

@albert @mike we could use another pitching prospect in a trade for Tulo (if there is any chance)

Mike Nordon
Mike Nordon

We would have enough to get Tulo. Fact is, shouldn't trade a top 5 hitting 2b for a pitching prospect when we have couldn't replace it