Mets bullpen has a 2.57 ERA since early May

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The Mets bullpen has a 2.57 ERA during their last 63 innings and 21 appearances, during which they’ve allowed just two home runs.

“We’ve got some really good young power arms,” David Wright said Wednesday (ESPN, May 28). “These guys have the ability to go out and dominate, shut the door on games.”

The current group is solid, especially with Jenrry Mejia and Jeurys Familia creating a nice, 1-2 punch in the back of the bullpen. I’m still worried about Vic Black’s control, he walked two of five batters the other day, despite not letting any one score. But, if he can get back to what he was doing the end of last season, these three men give the Mets a very powerful, unique situation to help get through close games.

Scott Rice, Josh Edgin, Carlos Torres and Daisuke Matsuzaka are good, not great. I believe Edgin can be better than he’s shown, but time will tell. Meanwhile, eventually one or both of Jacob deGrom and Rafael Montero will end up in the bullpen, as well, though it’s likely a short-term destination, since they clearly both belong in a starting rotation.

The point is, the bullpen is so much better than it was the first five weeks of the season, and — with defined roles and routines — it’s reasonable to think it can better.




141 comments
qualcomm
qualcomm

I think Gee has got to go in July to a contender with everyone desperate for starters. deGrom and Montero really both need to pitch and not mess with our power pen, they both look like #2s right now.  To cut their innings, we have that other guy on the way... the beast.   Really...  just get some above average hitters in here and this is a playoff team. Seriously, the Wilpons could save themselves with just a small investment... can't they get a payroll loan? 

Harvey, Thor, Wheeler, Montero, deGrom, Niese.  That's six starters who would all be the 2nd best pitcher on most staffs. You actually might be able to afford to part with one of the ace types for a four hitter.  Montero and Gee or Wheeler and Gee for something special -- not a good bat -- an elite star bat.


tone
tone

Good?  Has the bullpen ever have a 1-2-3 inning? Because everytime i see the pen, it is never a 1-2-3 inning.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

In what light would anyone call Scott Rice a "good" reliever?  He's been terrible for an entire calendar year now and almost automatically walks the first guy he sees?

jrb74
jrb74

Rice and Edgin ARE NOT GOOD.  Seems like Rice routinely fails to get the guy out that he was brought in for, often walking him.  Edgin is Edgin.  On a side note, why no mention of Germen?  He's on the DL now, but he's shown some serious long term potential as well.

muttsfan9
muttsfan9

someone get an audio recording of Fred Wilpon making a racial slur.

theglider
theglider

I stand corrected. Lagares is hitting .243 since May 4th.

I'm not saying the kid isn't a solid player. He's great in center. But I'd like our see our leadoff batter to do better and be able to steal a few bases. Maybe he'll hit .325 and prove me wrong and I'll be the first to admit it. But he hit .242 last year so I'm concerned that's what he is.

But we will see and, again, I hope I'm wrong about him.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

Too bad we have the worst offense in the history of life.

Jay Timmerman
Jay Timmerman

What happens when Germen is back and healthy?  Who is sent down?  I would like to see it be Scott Rice, but I'm guessing it will be Vic Black

heynow20
heynow20

Wasted so much '14 payroll - 10M Colon, 7.25M CY, 3.5M Ike, 1.1M Tejada and any scratch they paid Farnsworth and Valverde.  That's 22M in '14 payroll wasted.  We knew what we had in Tejada and Ike. Knew what we were getting in Farnsworth and Valverde. Colon was always a risk in an area of least need.  Young arms should have been up from Day 1.  Could have began the yr w/ Parnell, Familia, Black, Torres, Rice, Germen. Rolled out Neise, Gee, Wheeler, Meija, Dice-K as starters. When Parnell went down, put Meija in pen and called up Degrom or Montero.  Could have taken the $22M and got a big time bat this past offseason and been better w/ no add'l payroll.  With Harvey back next year, could trade gee or neise with either degrom or montero and maybe another low prospect at the deadline for another big bat and called up syndergaard; setting us up perfect for next year.  Long term vision is clouding our short term prespective.

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

Alderson to David Wright:  "David, whenever you're in front of a reporter, I need you to sell our young power arms!  My plan consists of getting fans to the ballpark to see these young power arms, and then we might be able to spend some money and put together some sort of team."


David Wright: “We’ve got some really good young power arms,” David Wright said Wednesday (ESPN, May 28). “These guys have the ability to go out and dominate, shut the door on games.”

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Hopefully us fans will be ''Finding Nimmo'' at Citifield  by 2016.

jenkins
jenkins

I love the Mets pen-now. They need another L, but they are loaded with young talent. They have long relievers, 2-inning guys, 7th inning guy, set-up and closer-once all these kids get some seasoning.


The whole staff will be outstanding next year, and maybe later this year. And then there's Harvey.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

I'd beg to differ about Torres. While he has a blip here and there, and once in awhile cant put a guy away, he has done everything asked of him and has been probably the most consistent relief pitcher the Mets have had since they brought him up last year. I would wholly agree, I get less anxiety in my gut when the bullpen is called on now that we dont rely on Valverde and Farnsworth. German, once feeling better, is a nice guy to have stashed at AAA.  The bullpen will need time to mesh and figure out roles. I think more consistent use of guys will allow them to feel more comfortable. If our starters can continue to go deep into games, that reduces the amount of outs we need from the bullpen. Getting 6 outs as opposed to 12 daily reduces the stress on the bullpen. In due time, it will come to fruition and maybe it could even become a strength.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@BringBackDaveTelghe can't believe I'm doing this but Rice is a good lefty specialist.  His problem is Collins using him against righties.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@BringBackDaveTelghe Im gonna do something i never did before. I want to give credit to Terry for not bringing in a lefty for Ike (like he did Monday) for Gabby to crank him. Rule of thumb Terry a medium to good righty is better then Rice or Edgin to Sanchez.

Charles Gustafson
Charles Gustafson

@theglider MAYBE with the new hitting coach we will see improvement. Remember he is just getting up to speed with all the electronic improvements since he was last a major league bating instructor. A lot of the hitters need to cut down on their swings. To much looping. Always looking for the long ball instead of just putting in play where the fielder isn't.  Situational hitting doesn't seem to be in the training regimen anymore. Bunts are a dying tool.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@theglider He really shouldn't be a leadoff hittter to begin with, it's just that the rest of our lineup stinks.  I like him as a 6 hitter.  

You really shouldn't be so hung up on what he's hitting since May 4th.  I've said it several times below, but he really only had a bad stretch of 10 days, 4 of which he wasn't even starting.  Since May 15th he's hitting .280, is still hitting .291 for the year, and has been a great clutch hitter.  

Also, as others have pointed out, he just looks like a different hitter than last year.  His approach this year, especially with 2 strikes, has been tremendous and his ability to shorten up and go the other way has resulted in many big hits so far.
Lagares is not the problem. 

72tilltc
72tilltc

@theglider How about believing what you see not the stats level swing ability to fight off 2 strike pitches good approach . Terry cares about results not approach. If DW or ike fail to get in front of a grounder or one hand a catch he is fine if they make the play. He doesnt realize that in the long run a fundamental approach is the way to win. Stealing 3rd with 2 outs is never a good play. EY hitting .370 will never be long term he is bound to fail. BECAUSE HE SUCKS!

jenkins
jenkins

@theglider actually, I'd like to see him dropped in the order and think he will be when EYoung returns. He's still the only lead-off guy on the team (despite his shortcomings.)

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@theglider Guys take time to find it in the majors. Its clear he has already improved, albeit in a small sample. His career minors track record suggest he is going to adjust and hit enough. Ideally, you dont want him hitting leadoff, but who else is going to leadoff right now? In the future, he'd be an awesome 6 or 7 hitter. You need a guy who comes through with big hits in those spots.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@heynow20 Colon was NOT money wasted.  It's money wasted only if it prevented offense from being added, but I really don't think that was the case.

At worst, we have a guy that may have huge value this July or next and end up netting us a significant prospect.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@heynow20 Ike isnt being paid anymore, because he is on the Pirates. I wouldnt say Colon is a waste, he could very well end up pitching the way he did yesterday for the rest of the year. The guy was pretty good last year.

ken1010
ken1010

@heynow20 They also have to be willing to make a long-term commitment, such as 7 years that was needed for Choo.  You have to be confident they can earn the money by playing so well in the front half of the contract that the back half is gravy.  It worked that way for Beltran, who earned his $117m based on WAR when he did play, even though he missed about a year.  It was a good deal for the Mets.

We won't get the players we need without a couple more long-term commitments.

jenkins
jenkins

@heynow20 The real problem is you have a NYC team with a payroll dropped from $140-M to $85-M. That's all Wilpons care about. They don't give a dam about Met fans.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@p8erbaghad @BringBackDaveTelghe Lefties are still getting on at a .359 clip vs him.  It was just .244 last year.

One REAL ugly number, is vs righties last year, they had a .507! OBP vs him. 

I just hate limiting your bullpen by having a literal one trick one batter pony taking up a spot.

theglider
theglider

Except he's striking out a lot and not drawing walks. He's on pace for 35 walks or so while striking out more than 135 times. He's looked good at times and he's looked really bad. I hope the bad is an aberration.

theglider
theglider

He swings at pitches that are a foot outside. He did that last year which is why he didn't walk much. This year he's also not walking much. He has to learn the strike zone. That's my concern. That he will be a low walk batter who can be gotten out because he has a big flaw in his approach.

heynow20
heynow20

Yes but its an area of strength, so I say its money wasted albeit less so than say Chris Young.  I guess my point is that we could have gotten Drew and Morales for 2-3 yr deals for not much money and not spent it on Young and Duda/ Ike and Colon and Tejada, etc.

Charles Gustafson
Charles Gustafson

@ken1010 @heynow20 A person like Choo needs a smaller park than Citi. He would just be another failure at Citi. Remember, when the Mets DID long term contracts it bit them in the arse. Bobby Bonilla?????

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@ken1010 @heynow20 Would you really want a 30 year old for 7 years? You know the back end of that deal is not going to be pretty.

Charles Gustafson
Charles Gustafson

@jenkins @heynow20 Remember the A's were pretty much small ball with excellent pitching when Alderson was there. Also old guys. Alderson doing the same with Mets. Building pitching around big swing, little contact hitters. All the East teams had good signings in the off season. The Mes stood pretty well pat. Wilpon needs to open the purse strings in the trade season and get players who can play in a BIG ballpark. In the off season, they need to think again about realigning Citi Park. Need a park where a LONG drive is not just a routine out.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@jenkins @heynow20 They are a slave to the DTI on their loans. Unfortunately, you can complain all day about lack of payroll and our weak players, but this is reality. They own the team. They clearly are not selling. So root for what we got, addition by subtraction, play the young guys, let our young pitching develop and maybe we can compete enough to make going to games interesting.

theglider
theglider

I've been railing all season that we need upgrades at catcher, first, short, left and right. They need to be replaced.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@theglider Of course he's not suited for leading off!  Why on Earth should that be held against him?  He's only leading off because the other options stink and the best of the stinky options is hurt.  Once EY comes back, I'm sure Lagares will hit 6th.  

You don't have to get excited about him becoming a great player just yet if you don't want, but you have done the opposite.  Several times you have gone out of your way to call him a bad hitter when has been arguably our best all around player.  

Again, I don't get why you single out a guy hitting .291 and .375 with runners in scoring position and 2 outs, when we have a team full of guys who can't hit higher than .210.

theglider
theglider

Because he's leading off. He's not suited for that. Plus he's hailed on here as such a great player. We will see. This team has had a lot of players who have great starts and end up forgotten. So I don't get too excited until they've played a few years.

seltzerm
seltzerm

@theglider Well, right now, Lagaras has a better strike out rate than Wright, Tejada, Eric Yong, Lucas Duda and Granderson; pretty much every starter other than Murphy.  I agree he could walk a little more, but I just don't get why on a team with so many bad hitters, you single out Lagares who has thus far blown his expectations out of the water.

jenkins
jenkins

@theglider I think he has improved quite a bit at bat-especially going to RF with RISP and 2 out. If he continues to improve, he will be a very good player. He's already  a GG-er.

72tilltc
72tilltc

@theglider I would rather he swing at the pitches out of the zone with 2 strikes (he won the Dodger game knocking in Flores like that) and he gave the team a couple of leads against the rockies) as opposed to DW guessing wrong as the fastball crosses the heart of the plate.

jenkins
jenkins

@BringBackDaveTelghe @jenkins @theglider Who is a better lead-off man on this team. Lagares is needed as an RBI man lower in the order. Look at the choices. Tejada? Grandy, Murph, Wright, Duda, the catcher?


I guess they can try den Decker, if he's still here.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@Dana Smith @ken1010 @heynow20 At the last year of his deal, he'd still be only 1 year older than Granderson in the last year of his deal.  Only difference is, we'd get the prime of Choo's career and none of Granderson's.

joe21
joe21

@Dana Smith @ken1010 @heynow20  exactly, the Mets did get their payroll up over $140M, but the backend of some of the contracts destroyed their acquisition capabilities. Pedro, Delgado, Wagner, Bay, KRod,, Santana, Beltran, Perez, et al each cost them over $10M per season where the player never even stepped on the field. those players alone probably cost the Mets over $100M in lost time, which is more than they lost with Madoff

jenkins
jenkins

@Dana Smith @jenkins @heynow20 they need players that can hit (and field). Since MLB doesn't seem to want to act, it will have to be by trades for a SS, OF, and maybe a catcher.


That's also reality.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Dana Smith @jenkins @heynow20 It's like being a Chicago Cubs fan without the charming, stately, old ballpark in a nice neighborhood with great restaurants and bars around it.

I don't get your point.  Have you accepted the fact that the Mets will always be a mediocre ball club, and you think we should be content with that?