Mets are holding tight to their young pitching

The Mets have not received a lot of interest in their young pitching, probably because they refuse to trade RHP prospect Noah Syndergaard (Puma, Dec. 11).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It’s pretty understood around baseball, at least as far as I can tell, that Sandy Alderson, his front office, management and ownership all see eye to eye on not trading these guys, be it Zack Wheeler, Rafael Montero, Syndergaard, or even Jacob deGrom.

This approach, at least for now, will kill any potential for a blockbuster deal. It’s why talks for Troy Tulowitzki, Carlos Gonzalez, Jose Bautista and others probably never even got started. The fact is, until Alderson gets a few of these guys to the big leagues, they succeed and are still earning the league minimum, it’s going to be difficult to pull off big-time trades.

For instance, the Orioles and Rockies both asked the Cardinals for RHP Shelby Miller in talks about their top shortstops. In the Mets world, Miller is Wheeler. The Mets are going to need extra pitchers like this to make that big of a move, and they clearly feel the way to do that is to hold on to this crop as tightly as they can.




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metfan8669
metfan8669

Come on people, stop your cry baby attitudes.  I bet Sandy would trade some young talent if he was getting good, reasonably salaried players in return.

Do you really want to give up young talented pitching that is under contract for years to come?  These are the types of guys that teams wish they had.   If Sandy can't trade high on them why trade them at all?

2 Years from now, when Colon is gone and Niese and Gee may have moved on or been traded, we will all be praising how they were smart to keep all this talent.  They will be inexpensive and talented.   What more can you ask for?

jasonbay
jasonbay

Montero should definitely be traded this offseason.  We don't need to get a monster bat - that's obviously unrealistic.


But our farm system is barren of any top shelf, MLB-ready young position players.  We ought to be able to get players like Owings, Gregorious, or Franklin in exchange for Montero.  Are the other teams not enamored of Montero, or are one or both trade partners just holding out hope that are respective prospects could reel in a big fish like DPrice, CarGo, Stanton, etc.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

I want Munenori Kawasaki as my SS, the end.  He is getting better in the USA and is a guy who will get on base with a real chance to play.  He is also totally out of his mind.  I would watch them, just to see him talk.  I recommend googling his videos.  We need this type of personality. the NY Media would eat him up.  

RandomDreg
RandomDreg

I love the spin in the headline.  Nobody has made an offer so we call that "Holding Tight."  This is a team that won't budge when faced with....nothing. 

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

Mets are holding TIGHT to a lot of things.....Tight to their pitching, Tight to their wallet, Tight to the Met fans throat.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

If the Mets aren't willing to trade top prospects to improve team, then they have to spend money on free agents!

Wright and Granderson both have said after they signed that they did so because of Alderson's plan for the future, and they were told there were more moves were coming. WHAT PLAN, WHAT MOVES!!

Jim Vitelli
Jim Vitelli

Stop denying the obvious - open the check book and put a major league team on the field - New York deserves better than this!

dave42
dave42

Why are we hearing about Murphy and Ike being shopped for more young pitching?  I understand TINSTAAP and all, but having extra pitching prospects really only works if you have a real major league roster.  We have no lead-off hitter and we have no shortstop.  We have a plethora of first base, second base and young pitchers, especially Montero and DeGrom.  Can we not find a partner?

tommets
tommets

The only people who shouldn't be traded are Wright, Parnell, Wheeler, Harvey, Thor, and Granderson. Montero should especially be traded because he is going to be called up and not have a spot in the rotation. He definitely has the stuff, but with Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Thor, and Mejia or whatever starter we sign he would have the most trade value of the pitchers not mentioned above. 1) Because he's young 2) Because he is capable of starting in the big leagues from what we've seen so far. If we don't sign Drew or get a 1B they should trade Montero, deGrom and Matt Reynolds in a trade for a good player for whatever position we do not fill. Next year I'm all for trading Niese and or Gee when the rotation could be Harvey, Wheeler, Thor, and whatever two pitchers they have.

bigdirty
bigdirty

I am wondering that instead of trading one of our minor league pitchers for an established bat, would it make sense to deal tehm for an equal offensive prospect?


I dont hink those type of deals are really done but the fact that the mets system is so light on offensive player, i wonder if this type of thinking is plausible? I guess you would rather just build up your own prospects and see what they become. 

metfan8669
metfan8669

Why are they not shopping DeGrom?  Is it because he could fill the 5th spot or be a spot starter this year?  He is going on 26. 

If we aren't shopping him then why are we going after Arroyo or whoever else may fit the bill?

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Jeff WilponFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeffrey Scott Wilpon is the COO of the New York Mets baseball team and the executive vice-president of Sterling Equities. Jeff is the son of New York Mets principal owner Fred Wilpon.

Jeff and other Wilpon family members invested with Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme that collapsed in 2008.[1] Unlike many who lost their investments, it was revealed in the Madoff firms court case, In the Securities Investor Protection Corp. vs. Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, USBC SDNY No. 08-01789 that the family partnership run by Wilpon made $48 Million dollars in their dealings with the firm.[2] He also is a member of the board of directors for the Holocaust museum in Washington DC.

Criticism[edit]

Wilpon has been criticized by some for being too much of a meddler in the baseball operations for the New York Mets. In 2010, Joel Sherman of the New York Post wrote, "Let’s give Jeff Wilpon the benefit of the doubt here for a moment. Let’s say he is not short-tempered. Tone deaf. A credit seeker. An accountability deflector. A micro-manager. A second-guesser. A less-than-deep thinker. And bad at self-awareness. Fine, he’s none of these things. But here is the problem: This is his perception in the industry as the Mets try yet again to fix their baseball operations department."[3]

Sherman also cited a baseball executive in regular contact with the Mets, who said, “Jeff is the problem with the organization, and he is never going to realize that. He cannot help himself. He has to be involved. He will never hire anyone who will not let him have major input. He will not hire anyone who does not run every personnel decision through him.”[4] An AL executive added, "The only person with a worse reputation than Jeff Wilpon in the game is [Marlins president] David Samson." [5]

In 2009, Peter Gammons told ESPN Radio, (Mets GM Omar Minaya) isn’t the General Manager. Jeff Wilpon is. Omar’s the one out there to take the heat.”[6]

In 2003, the team’s previous partner, Nelson Doubleday, Jr., told The Star-Ledger: “Mr. Jeff Wilpon has decided that he’s going to learn how to run a baseball team and take over at the end of the year… Run for the hills, boys. I think probably all those baseball people will bail… Jeff sits there by himself like he’s King Tut waiting for his camel.”[7]

Many commentators on the internet and in broadcast media have referred to Jeff Wilpon as "Fredo" Wilpon, after the feeble-minded member of the Corleone family played by John Cazale in The Godfather and The Godfather Part II.

David Schoenfeld
David Schoenfeld

Just wanted to point out that Puma only mentions Thor.  Matt adds DeGrom and company.

Steve Clifford
Steve Clifford

We are soo bad, yet soo many untouchables.. Something doesn't make sense here..

mets1973
mets1973

Smart move not trading any of the young pitching until they accumulate a surplus. This still does not excuse them from not pursuing free agents who could help this team. You have to spend money in order to develop a good product. This group isn't doing that. In fact, you can say that John Buck's $$, Frank Francisco's $$$ and Shawn Marcum's $$$ are being used to pay for Granderson.

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

Not trading pitching, Not getting hitting....UNLESS.....you open up your wallet and buy some more (DREW)

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i'm cool with the mets not moving potential stud arms. i'm not cool with the fact that cruz, hart, and a cabrera were/are not being pursued. when 1b, SS, and OF have holes. i like when the team i root for fields a team to root for.



Andrew Oci
Andrew Oci

Trade montero! And ike will be gone soon...seattle got morrison and hart

Adam
Adam

good not trading young pitching. that's where winning teams begin. first baseman are a dime a dozen so to speak.

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

Not so fast mets fans!!!

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Brewers have been talking to free agent first baseman James Loney.Milwaukee just lost Corey Hart to the Mariners via free agency and will now explore the other first base options. Loney found new life with the Rays in 2013, batting .299/.348/.430 with 13 home runs and 75 RBI in 158 games. He hit just .249/.293/.336 in 2012

.SOURCE: BUSTER OLNEY ON TWITTER

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

this is the stupidity of the organization.  I can't wait to call up DeGrom and have him put up a 4.50 ERA and instead of getting a starting player you get a player to be named later for him.  This is idiotic.  We will have to get these pitchers to learn other positions to find time for them.

Hodges14
Hodges14

You think that's the reason or maybe it has to do with those players that you mentioned making lots of money and the Mets not wanting to pay them>

mettle
mettle

Yes, but the Cards are world series contenders and we need offense.  Don't compare the two teams.  I thought we were trading young arms for bats, since we have none in the farm system, but I also thought payroll would increase over the $87 million from last year.  Silly me.

John Iaquinta
John Iaquinta

If this is true I have a MAJOR problem.  If you want to identify Syndergaard as the guy you won't deal, the "untouchable"-- that's fine.  But if that's the case, Montero and certainly deGrom HAVE TO be in play.  If not, let's all just give up right now. Seriously, this is ridiculous.

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

@tommets Have to trade Gee now in a package for a legit hitter. I really can't see his value getting any higher, only lower after this season. There is no way Montero's value is as high right now.

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@metfan8669 i think the plan is to start playing SP in positional player's roles. they saw davey johnson put orosco and mcdowell in the OF once and figured they can just do that at 1B, SS, and OF.

Dan Bahr
Dan Bahr

There are some the FO thinks are untouchable and there are many more  whom other teams wouldn't touch.

bigdirty
bigdirty

@Victor Triguero i dont know if gee and niese are locked in and at this point the same can be said about harvey and wheeler. 


it seems like Noah and montero could be better than or equal to niese and gee. It would only make sense to deal from that strength when it actually becomes a strength. 


Once Thor and Montero and mejia show their stuff then the Mets know exactly what they have and dont..



The Harvey injury was just devastating to the plan! 

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

@Victor Triguero That's why you trade Gee now in a package for a hitter, where his value is through the roof. I don't think teams take Montero seriously as a major prospect. He'll be fine holding down our 5th spot in 2015.

JoeBourgeois
JoeBourgeois

@harvey33

"He could net us a nice bat." 
What are you basing that on -- especially if (as I agree with you in saying) his ceiling isn't that high? Plus he hasn't proven anything at the top level.

jordan924
jordan924

I wish the Mets could swoop in for Loney.  Would solve our offense at 1B.  Would leave the Rays, Brewers and any others in on Loney left to resort to the trade market.  We could then move Ike AND Duda

tommets
tommets

@ton @tommets I'd take him for an authentic Mets team winter jacket that the pitchers wear. You know the one that Rick Peterson wore even in the summer.

tommets
tommets

@NYMetsLander I would trade Gee right now. The only problem is that they would either have to add another starter which I'd rather get a bat. Unless they can trade Ike and Duda for a starter and SS/1B?

metfan8669
metfan8669

@ton @metfan8669 - Ike was a pretty good pitcher in the past too... Hit over 90mph on the gun.  He could fill a bullpen spot when these other guys fill in at SS.

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

@harvey33 I know man. Its only been like 7 years since we made the playoffs. Whats another year. 

Marc Dannenberg
Marc Dannenberg

@harvey33 I don't know who your info source is but Montero is a number 2 starter.  Bunch of crybabies here as well.

jordan924
jordan924

How many untouchables can we have?

Wheeler and Syndergaard for sure should be untouchables.

Harvey too.

I understand if they want to hold Niese as the lone lefty and veteran of the rotation.

Gee, Montero, Degrom, and any other pitching prospects we have should be on the table. 

tommets
tommets

@NYMetsLander All I know is that they need one more legit bat either pure power or at the top of the lineup who can do some damage if they want to think about contending.

NYMetsLander
NYMetsLander

@tommets Right now who knows what Ike/Duda are bringing back. The fact of the matter is that the Mets have conceded another year, after Harvey went down and by failing to spend more $. So get the hitter now who will be around through the 2015 season because we all know they won't buy one next FA.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@jordan924 Exactly.  We have a team that hasn't sniffed .500 for the last 5 years but we lead the league in untouchables.