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Mets are about to enter a California buzzsaw

The Mets are set to begin a five-game road trip through Oakland and Los Angeles, during which they’ll face Scott Kazmir (13-5, 2.78 ERA), Jeff Samardzija (5-9, 2.96 ERA), Clayton Kershaw (14-3, 1.86 ERA), Dan Haren (10-10, 4.59 ERA) and Kevin Correia (6-13, 4.79 ERA).

“Obviously, we’re going to face good pitching,” David Wright said after Monday’s loss, noting that a lack of confidence is at the root of the team’s recent struggles at the plate.


Since the All-Star break, the Mets are last in baseball in runs scored, batting average, slugging percentage and hits with runners in scoring position, while leading the league in strikeouts.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: Literally, every player not named Lucas Duda appears to be out of sync. Daniel Murphy has had his moments, but for the most part he’s been lunging at pitches as well. I think Wright is right, because they all look to be guessing at the plate, with poor pitch selection, lots of foul balls, weak hits and ugly strikeouts. Look, it’s August, this is usually when teams hit the wall. This group needs to fight through this, pace themselves and not do as much in the batting cage. There are still roughly 40 games to play.




124 comments
Greg Nuzzo
Greg Nuzzo

I'll be headed to see them in LA for the Saturday game.  Hope I don't see a massacre! LGM!

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

even when they are all in sync they still are mmediocre.  so when one thing is off they are below average and now they just totally suck.  you guys need a few bats, starting in the corner OF and SS.  Oh and btw, if you think your farm players are going to get you to the Nats and Braves level, prepare for a lot of heartache and a ton of 4th place finishes for the next decade.

Scott Kazmir? That name sounds familiar!


VICTOR ZAMBRANO - FIXED IN MINUTES!

metsnjets
metsnjets

And this series will put the mets season to bed see you all next season

matmil
matmil

I wonder if Collins thinks his job might depend on what happens on this road trip.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

This trip has 1-4 written all over it. Mets cannot hit quality pitching. And they've managed to dodge some pretty big arms so far this year. We have seen FAR too many extended slumps these past few seasons. Who is at fault? You can only blame Dave Hudgens so much. The new guy hasn't exactly turned things around. Wright clearly is not the same hitter. Combination of the bum shoulder and zero protection in the lineup. Grandy-man may very well hit the Mendoza Line before the season is over. Another great Alderson acquisition.

Rich Towler
Rich Towler

Lets lose 5 in a row please! Thn we will be 13 under 500. Almost have to fire terry collins at tht point

ctsteve
ctsteve

Tonight's game doesn't start til 10pm...My advice?  Fahgetaboutit and watch the Little League World Series instead.  You will see great hitting, nifty fielding, smart coaching...all of which are absent on the 2014 Mets.

Anthony Giammattei
Anthony Giammattei

That's OK.  They've been in the Long Island buzz saw for the past 8 years.

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

Does anyone truly believe there's something worth waiting for next year? The 2 many stars of this monstrosity, Wright & Granderson might have seen their best days.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

Murphy is hitting .310 since the all-star break. The issues are Granderson and Wright not hitting. Those are two guys we were relying upon this season. Unfortunately, Granderson is very streaky and Wright can't figure it out at the plate. Even a notch better production from these two, with continued growth from d'Arnaud and Lagares would have afforded us a few more wins...

Joseph Grillo
Joseph Grillo

Maybe this will put the final nails in TCs coffin?????


hashburry
hashburry

And Duda is killing it with his .256 average.  How many multi hit games does he have?  He will hit about 26 homers, maybe even 30, and that will lead to his begin totally overvalued and oversold as the answer at first.  Hopefully, as he gets more comfortable as the every day guy, he can actually put up real OPS numbers.

Not4Nutten
Not4Nutten

Time for David Wright to get his Shoulder,Back and Losing attitude Fixed! Captain K Strikes Out Again!

hashburry
hashburry

And the Yankees or Phils will sign Castillo for less than the Mets wasted on Granderson, and of course that means he will be a star.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

This post from the editor is the case study for why this site is garbage. We read 'analysis' like "the mets need to do less in the batting cage and fight through this"... its like a little league parent giving a 12 year old a pep talk.


The real story line should be that this is an abhorrent organization with no desire to win from ownership to the front office, and ultimately the clubhouse. They are putrid, they don't improve, and they hold nobody accountable. This has resulted in the most unwatchable product I've witnessed in some time. The write-up should look more like that and less about dissecting the swing of the guy leading the league in hits.

gpopper
gpopper

And this is where a manager makes his bones. Getting his team out of this situation, Instilling confidence back in them, kicking butt, stroking them, showing them they are a major league team, etc. it's all the things Collins has not done, will not do and probably doesn't know how to do. And yet, we hear he'll be back for another shot at mediocrity.

This team is not good, but they are better than what they have been showing. Every player has a slump or a down time during the season. When it's the entire team, then you look at the manager and coaching staff. This has happened to the Mets every year Collins s has been herer. They are warm to hot going into the ASB and come back ice cold. Late August/early September is not the time to be getting the club on the same page. You do it when they come back from the ASB and get them focused in and do your best to keep them that way.

Everyone in the organization shares the blame, from the players to the owners, but it is the manager that is supposed to be the go to guy for getting things done. It's not happening and has not happened. Football season has Rrived, enjoy the games.

hashburry
hashburry

Pace themselves?  I thought they had been pacing themselves all along.  When do you just admit that the talent level on this team is the only problem.  The pitching is totally overrated and the lineup is filled with guys doing basically what you would expect, not hit.  On top of that, they don't play solid defense.

This team is no closer to winning than last year.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Is there any way Kershaw doesn't throw a complete game shut out vs the Mets?

hoser_14
hoser_14

My prediction for the Mets against the Beasts of the Left Coast: PAIN!

With an Independent League line up up aginst real good Major League pitching, I see lots of 3 up and 3 downs and lots of zeros, zero runs, zeo hits and zero runners on bases. A John McGraw or any other great mangers of the past, couldn't get any more out of this collection of stiffs than Terry Collins has gotten.  

This teams needs ownership who has the resources (ie the money) to run a major league ballclub in New York....

Wait till next Decade!

Father Dooley
Father Dooley

As long as Sandy and co REFUSE to pick up major league ready players, and instead do the "Merry-Go-Round Minor League Shuffle" with the likes of den Dekker, Flores, and Nieuwenhuis, this team will never win....EVER!


Current averages of the Mets"heralded" hitters from the minors:

den Dekker: .200

Flores: 228

Niewenhuis: .233


Great going, Sandy!  GREAT GOING!!!!!

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

Thank you for that unsolicited exposition, I'm sure it took a lot for you to come on a Mets blog site to express your expert analysis of the situation. Now.. On behalf of all Mets Fans, would you kindly, pucker up on a very smooth Glute? Thank you kindly.

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

@metsnjets couldn't have said it any better. See you next season. Terry, keep the broom clean for our guest please, it may help Sandy in the offseason.

metsnjets
metsnjets

Lol start the Collins bashing what a joke some people should seek professional help with their Collins on the brain problem. How do people get through their work day with this problem.

matmil
matmil

I think your right if they get swept they might end up in last place. That and an empty stadium for the last 6 weeks might be enough to do it. Especially if the fans start to howl for his head.

gpopper
gpopper

We can only hope, but doubtful.

matt greco
matt greco

@hashburry ryan howard hit .251 in 2008.  i know, duda is not ryan howard, but the point is that batting average is irrelevant if he's hitting 30+ and driving in close to 100 (because let's be honest, nobody could be expected to drive in 100 with the garbage that's in the lineup around him).

zoddie
zoddie

@hashburry  Batting average?  What are you, 80 years old?  Who cares?


What would you consider real OPS numbers?  Would having the #9 out of 32 first basemen in baseball (+225 PAs) be "real" enough for you?  Would having a higher OPS than Pujols, Teixiera, Napoli, Votta, A-Gonzalez, Mauer, Loney, Chris Davis, and Ryan Howard be real enough?


He's also cost controlled, which clearly matters for the Mets.  Thinking he isn't the answer at 1st is stupidity.  The Mets have way bigger issues to deal with than 1b.

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@Kevin Connelly

Kevin, I know this may be a shock to you, but I have met Jeff Wilpon and he really is trying to learn how to chew gum and walk at the same time (unlike some of his players). 


I have no idea why you simply can't get into the exceptional sight lines, affordable ticket prices, and exciting brand of cricket the Mets have to offer at Citi Field. Dozens have thus far.

ken1010
ken1010

@Kevin Connelly

They are watchable, but not exciting.

Remember that one-third of teams make the playoffs, and thus one-half are in the hunt.  We are still waiting to escape the bottom third.

The goal appears to get us in the playoff race, and thus to produce a slightly above average team on as little money as possible.   A young team with little hitting like this might make it to slightly above average.  But it's a sad goal.


benmoz
benmoz

@Kevin Connelly Their record this year will be better than last year, even though that's irrelevant since they are missing the ACE of their pitching staff, their closer, and their captain is injured as all hell for most of the season it seems.


Mejia has cost us about 5 games over the last 15, because he is also injured.


Of course they will do something significant to improve the team offensively in the off season.



At the moment there is nothing to do, except see what the young kids can provide/if they have an trade value.


Stupid fans on this site will get angry about this, because for some stupid reason they actually think the team should be contending this year.


And if you are going to try to be smart in a response to my comment and say "Sandy set the bar at 90 wins" I answer that he made that statement based on every key player on the team reaching their own "bar" this season whether it be offensivley or pitching wise. Clearly some of our staff hasn't done that (Neise, Gee) and most of our offensve hadn't either.


These are young players, it can always go either way, and they struggled this year. 

With more protection in the lineup and a better pitching staff with Harvey/Syndy putting less pressure on the offense, this team will be in contention for the wild card.




zoddie
zoddie

@Kevin Connelly  You haven't been a sports fan long enough if you think a young team with a .468 winning percentage and without its best pitcher is "the most unwatchable product I've witnessed."


I'm a Knicks fan.  Don't ask me about unwatchable.  The Mets are miles from unwatchable.

matt greco
matt greco

@gpopper "let's go out there and win 7 of the next 8, guys..."


and they respond by getting 4 hits or less in 4 straight games, against the cubs.  terry is a loser, plain and simple.

matt greco
matt greco

@Brian Webster i'm gonna be at the game, i might be legit disappointed if he doesn't throw a no-hitter...

nagel100
nagel100

@Father Dooley praise the lord father.   it's Alderson who owns the team and doles out the budget.


talk about clueless.

Mont5
Mont5

Don't forget the Captain batting .270 with 8 HR

zoddie
zoddie

@Father Dooley  Stats in AAA:


den Dekker: .334/.407/.540

Flores: .323/.367/.568

Kirk: .265/.319/.512

What would you have Sandy do with these guys hitting the tar out of the ball at AAA?  Not give them a chance in the majors?  Your solution is to never promote players from the minors and to just sign older free agents?  How much more major league ready can you be than a shortstop with a .935 OPS in AAA or an outfielder that plays excellent defense with a .947 OPS?  Seems like that is the definition of major league ready, Padre.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@matmil I find myself feeling this way too. And hating myself for it. What will it take to hasten TC's departure? And I fear we are stuck with Moneyball guru Alderson for years to come.

matt greco
matt greco

@benmoz so now a guy who is 21 and hasn't thrown a pitch above AAA (and has gotten smacked pretty much all year at AAA) is in the same breath as harvey? a guy who probably won't even be here next year if you're so sure that "of course they will do something significant to improve the team offensively?" 


you're right, there are a lot of stupid fans on this site...the thing you have wrong is that you're one of them.


for the record, i'm not labeling syndergaard a bust...just saying that putting him in the same breath as harvey when he probably won't even be here next year if you want them to improve the team offensively is asinine.

gpopper
gpopper

No, they can't. But. They can use hammers to get them to work anyway.

zoddie
zoddie

@Mont5  That's a way bigger issue than den Dekker taking some time to hit MLB pitching.  I'm hoping, despite what he says, that he's injured in some way.  I'm not ready for Wright to be a slightly above average player at 31 years old.

ny12jets
ny12jets

@Mont5 I think he is hurting more than what he lets on.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@zoddie @Father Dooley If they're THAT good, they'd make excellent trade bait.  Unfortunately, the rest of baseball doesn't seem to share your enthusiasm.  Numbers will be inflated playing in a desert, with thin dry air and a sun-baked concrete field.  It's probably for exactly that reason that Syndergaard has struggled this year.  It's an awful place to play baseball, and not helping either the pitchers or the hitters develop.

hashburry
hashburry

@zoddie @Father Dooley Those numbers, in case you missed it, are totally inflated by being in Vegas.  Look at all the lifetime minor leaguers, like Teagarden, who crush there.  The Mets can't even find a legitimate place to locate their AAA team.   And a SS that can't' play SS is not a SS.

All just desert window dressing.

ny12jets
ny12jets

@zoddie I agree. However, I think Flores is more for the American league, and we have seen enough of Kirk.  The real deal may be den Dekker because he has a glove and has proven to hit once he aclimates to the new level.  I see den Dekker and not Lagares as our CF.   Or maybe a platoon in CF.  I do think we need to get our minor league system at sea level, stats my be inflated a little.

benmoz
benmoz

@zoddie @Father Dooley Nevertheless, none of those 3 are starters for a playoff baseball team (if the Mets even care about being one next season). 


And there are plenty of free agents that would be, which the Mets could sign. IF they will do so, is another conversation entirely of course.

matmil
matmil

I know Ken wishing for losses sucks. But I gave Collins the benefit of the doubt for too long. This latest display of ineptitude is the last straw. Something drastic has to happen.

hashburry
hashburry

@gpopper Hah!  I can get a grip on that!  How does a computer change players to pliers!

zoddie
zoddie

@Macacawitz @zoddie @Father Dooley  I pray that the Mets can move their team to Rochester.


The point is playing in Vegas makes it VERY difficult to know how good hitters are, but keeping guys in the minors that have 900+ OPSs, even in Vegas, is silly.  At some point you need to see if their skills translate.

benmoz
benmoz

@hashburry @zoddie @Father Dooley Yeah but that's basically saying that no prospects numbers in Vegas would translate to good MLB production which is untrue.


It's unfair to compare those guys to Teagarden man, come on. They actually have offensive talent. He's just a veteran who has seen enough minor league pitching over the last 10 years or whatever to be able to hit it.

benmoz
benmoz

@ny12jets @zoddie People keep saying Den Dekker hits one he gets aclimated to a new level, BUT HE STILL HASN"T DONE IT IN THE MAJORS. He's hitting .200 bro.


Juan Lagares is 2 years younger than him, already has more than a full season under his belt, and HAS BEEN WORTH 4.5 WAR in 90 games this year.



Thank god you aren't running the team haha.


Lagares will stay the center fielder, and Granderson will stay in right. 


They need someone who hits in the clutch and for power in LF, and neither of those are Den Dekker. 

gpopper
gpopper

Computers are an evil entity designed to screw with Mets fans minds lol

zoddie
zoddie

@benmoz @ny12jets @zoddie  Lagares has (obviously) been better for the Mets than MdD and should stay in CF but cut MdD some slack.  He has gotten a grand total of 70 ABs this year and only 25 ABs over the past two months.


He's hit pretty well since he's been back up (though without any power).

ny12jets
ny12jets

@benmoz  And just when you thought you could have a nice conversation on this site, it gets nasty.  I don't run this team, I'm not a GM.  Never said I was.  Are you?

benmoz
benmoz

@zoddie @benmoz @ny12jets But he's basically the same player as Lagares, except Lagares has actually proven it, and would have like 6 WAR by now if he hadn't gotten injured.


We can't have 2 of those guys in the outfield, we need some actual power and clutch hitting in the final outfield spot.

benmoz
benmoz

@ny12jets @benmoz Dude relax I was just busting your chops, dont take everything so seriously.


Lagares was measured by Fan graphs as being worth $16 million with his play this year. He's being paid about 1/32 of that.


If you're going to make a bold claim like you did about Den Dekker over Lagares, on this site, where fans actually use numbers to back up their claims, expect a response.

ny12jets
ny12jets

@benmoz @ny12jets @zoddie @Father Dooley How about sign Byrd.  Bryd would have made a huge difference.  How do you expect Sandy to evaluate talent on other teams when he doesn't know the talent he has on his own team. 

zoddie
zoddie

@benmoz @ny12jets @zoddie @Father Dooley  You sure you didn't want Choo and Drew?  Hindsight is easy when signing free agents.


And, for what it's worth, Cruz hasn't been hitting for over two months now.

ny12jets
ny12jets

@benmoz @zoddie @ny12jets I agree, Lagares has been wonderful in the field, but not earth shattering with the bat.  His fielding though has saved many runs.  RF and LF are whats killing us.  And, the Granderson deal will haunt us like Bay.  For a team with no money, we can't afford to make $15M mistakes.

benmoz
benmoz

@zoddie @benmoz @ny12jets @Father Dooley I'm positive I didn' want Choo and Drew. Both of those players wanted to be horribly overpaid and didn't actually excel in any one category that mattered to me at the position.


When I knew that the Yankees and Tigers (and Rangers) were in on Choo I knew he would be WAY too expensive for the Mets, so no, I wasn't even considering him.


I also knew that Stephen Drew wanted too many years, and too much annual salary for what he actually brought to the SS position. Case in point as NO one signed him all off season.


So yeah, don't mock me, I know what I'm talking about.


I'm not saying I knew Abreu would be that good, but I was POSITIVE that Cruz would smack at least 30 HRs no matter where he played.



"What it's worth" is 3.1 WAR in LF, which is about 5 WAR more than our LF production I'm betting, (since it was that negative lmao)

benmoz
benmoz

@ny12jets @benmoz @zoddie



In his 3 years with the Mets, Jason Bay was worth a total of 1.7 WAR.


Granderson will easily pass that this year. So don't even compare the 2.



Granderson is likely worth less than the 15 mill he's being paid, but who isn't in baseball?



zoddie
zoddie

@benmoz @zoddie @ny12jets @Father Dooley  Not saying signing Cruz wouldn't have been better than Young (obviously), but Cruz was looking for a much longer deal.  And if you were POSITIVE Cruz would hit at least 30 HRs at the age of 33, that's impressive.  Because he hadn't hit over 30 since 2009.


He had also averaged 1.4 WAR over the past three years, so he was far from a sure thing.  He hasn't hit a lick for over two months now, either, so I'm STILL not sure I'd want to sign him this offseason, either.

benmoz
benmoz

@zoddie @benmoz @ny12jets @Father Dooley LMAO you "conveniently" forgot to mention the fact that in 3 of those 4 years, he missed over 40 games due to injury.



Including, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY to my point, Last year where he missed over 50 games, and was 3 home runs away from 30, so YES I was sure he would hit at least 30 homeruns one year after that, especially after being well rested from the suspension last year.




zoddie
zoddie

@benmoz

So you were able to predict the first healthy season in years from a 33 year old?

Can you do the same for CarGo and Tulo? They're much younger and even better than Cruz.

A more important question: how will Cruz do next year at 34? He hasn't hit for over two months. Maybe he had a hot month and a half and that's it?