Mets are 11 under .500, no one on verge of being fired

The Mets were 35-46 on this date a year ago. Today, they are 37-48, having just lost six of seven games on their recently concluded road trip.

They are also season’s worst 11 games below .500 and a half-game from being last place in their division.

That said, according to a team insider, no one is expected to be fired or released any time soon (ESPN, July 3).

“We kind of like our team,” Sandy Alderson recently told columnist Jon Heyman (CBS Sports, July 3). “If you look at the run differential, we should be a .500 team.”


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For what it’s worth, they now trail seven teams for the final Wild Card spot in the NL, after going 9-19 since June 2.

“We have to quit worrying about the standings,” Terry Collins said after being swept by the Braves in Atlanta this week. “We’ve got to start winning. That takes care of everything. If you look at the standings, it isn’t going to help. You’ve got to go play.”

The Mets are 10-20 in games decided by one run.

“We’re in games. We just can’t get over the top,” Collins lamented. “Win or lose, we’re in the ballpark. We just can’t finish it off.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I’m at a loss. You’d think I would be used to this feeling, but I’m not. I sit here at my laptop, I look at the numbers, standings and quotes, I see the rageful comments and tweets and e-mails, while I weigh it against not having Matt Harvey and the organization’s long-term goals, and I end up with a dazed, disoriented, foggy look in my eye. I’m unable to type, stunted in my writing and thinking, because, while I understand ‘the plan,’ I just don’t see it being executed. I become further paralyzed when I realize I’ve probably written this same post around the same time in June each of the last five seasons. So, I’ll just say it again, I’m at a total loss for words…




564 comments
Michael Kelmachter
Michael Kelmachter

Alderson et al are so enamored with their stats like run differential, but have forgotten that at the end of the year the only stat that matters is your won/loss record. Moneyball CANNOT be the only way you run a team yet that is all the Mets do. This team loses more than it wins because it is not well assembled, has insufficient depth and talent, and is poorly managed and general managed. They may like their team but they are the only ones

Adam Kudelka
Adam Kudelka

Ridiculous. Someone needs to be held accountable. Now. TC should go. They are not producing with RISP and not motivated. That's on the manager. Any other franchise would have made a change by now.

Paul Marigliano
Paul Marigliano

But wait.... I thought we were going to win 90 games this year...

The Third Lantern
The Third Lantern

Alderson sums up this dysfunctional carnival of an organization perfectly. To paraphrase: "We stink, but we like stinking. We're scoring enough runs to at least be mediocre."

Way to shoot for the stars!!  #HireWally

bigslick
bigslick

Hey Matt - your at a loss for words?

How about what the f is Terry doing still coaching this team? How about the Mets should bring in Wally Backman to be the manager because Terry is horrific?

You obviously read these comments -we want change and we want it now!! If you really love this team, help make it happen!

# Hire Wally

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

Maybe Citi Field is built over an Indian burial ground

steve333
steve333

So Alderson likes the sub 500 team because he thinks they could be a .500 team, which is what every NY team strives for.

How about firing the GM who is happy with a loser and the manager who is 11 games below .500?

Justin Jm
Justin Jm

I become further paralyzed when I realize I’ve probably written this same post around the same time in June each of the last five seasons. "


July 2nd 2009 - 39-39

July 5th 2010 - 47-37

July 6th 2011 - 45-42

July 6th 2012 - 45-38

July 6th 2013 - 36-48

July 4th 2014 - 37-48


FYI - We are now ranked DEAD LAST in attendance, BEHIND MIAMI


Howard Alter
Howard Alter

Two games from the worst record in the MLB.  I sorta like this roster.

Kenneth Mullins
Kenneth Mullins

How long before the Mets move to Montreal !!There will be nobody at citifeild in the 2nd half. You can"t  keep feeding the fan bass crap and want them to show up to the ball park ! The Wilpons are the worst ownership in NYC history !!


eric88
eric88

Don't worry about the standings. We kinda like our team. These are the rantings of Two Senior Citizens with girls names. The reality of the situation has passed them by, just as the drive of younger men. They are both by far the oldest at their positions in the sport.

I choose to be benevolent and assume they are tired rather than just plain stupid.

John Ericson
John Ericson

It's a dysfunctional organization.  Just like so many others.   They don't understand what it takes to create a winning culture.  And, I believe, as long as the Wilpons are in charge this will not change. 

wesley5
wesley5

Only fire Terry mid-season if the opportunity was there to add someone who is a major upgrade. He hasn't done a good job and should be let go if things don't improve by the end of the season, but do not act on impulse. Figure this out in the offseason when we sit out our 8th straight postseason. 

matmil
matmil

Every baseball organization has to begin with scouting and the Mets have to have some of the worst scouts of any of the major league franchises.

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

In a fantasy /what if world  and TC gets fired, I not sure if Wally is the answer? It can't hurt/ Who is the right person,, is another question.

Who wants to take on this team,the Wilpons,and Ny media

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

And unfortunately this inadequacy  is acceptable for the front office..While I have believed in the plan Sandy laid out, Ino longer; believe their intention to follow thru. it's face value, and we all know how far that goes. And while the players might be playing hard, they're not playing right;.TC is not the sole problem, he is part of it, and the scouting, Sandy,wilpons...yadda, yadda, yadda....oy vey!

David Rivera
David Rivera

TC is delusional all that losing is driving him crazy.

gpopper
gpopper

Snake oil salesman trying to sell his magic elixir to the masses again. What an arrogant, underhanded fool he truly is.

Eric Del Greco
Eric Del Greco

Unbelievable. ......bring back Minaya! At least he gambled on trades......this regime is killing the team.

bbr7
bbr7

"We kind of like our team" -sandy as quoted in this blog. U can't make this stuff up. We are 2.5 games out of the worst record in all of baseball. This is comical

Ultramet
Ultramet

Blame Bud Selig...he bailed out these putrid owners with 2 loans (whereas he forced the McCourts to sell the Dodgers and last I looked they are tied for first with the Giants) and forced an obsolete, GM down our throats.  The so-called Moneyball strategy is nothing new these days, as almost every team has incorporated sabermetrics.  Sandy Alderson's main fault is that he never has admitted that he is obsolete and overmatched in his role of Mets GM.  This entire organization needs a laxative. What we need is the Steve Jobs of baseball ownership to buy this team and move on.  Mr. Wilpon if you really love NY National League baseball sell this team (just like Saul Katz wanted to before you talked him out of it).


Mike Montagna
Mike Montagna

Thanks Terry, Im feelin a lot better right about now!

Steven Guerra
Steven Guerra

The owners of the Mets are the worst! What a bunch of lying cheapskates.

They were sued because they made money off Madoff. The Wilpons also own the development rights for all those buildings going up around Citifield. But they are still not getting players. SELL THIS TEAM, PLEASE PLEASE!

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

This has got to be one of the most aggravating organizations to stand behind. So much smoke blown up our asses day in day out. "We kind of like our team." Are you serious? Please tell me he did not seriously say that, please.

1963PoloGrounds
1963PoloGrounds

We as Met fans are the real representatives of this team.We are of different ages, but some of us have been fans for a long time.After 51 years I shouldn't be a Met fan anymore, given how atrociously this team has been and is currently managed, but I am because I, like so many others, can't help it.  But I don't accept this corporate doublespeak BS, I don't accept owners who don't respect what NYC stands for, I don't accept a long string of poor managers, I don't go to games at Ebbets Field 2, and I don't watch much nowadays because it's too painful.  I still pull for my team and I hope that despite all this mismanagement some of the young players can develop and reach their potential.As a former coach I know how many players are ruined by poor coaching and management.Our current and future Mets are going to have to succeed in spite of the GM, manager and owners.The fact that so many of us can see the same dysfunctional reality speaks volumes about the lack of leadership at the most important levels of this organization.This team is lifeless, overwhelmed, lacks in fundamentals and doesn’t approach winning with urgency and intelligence.Those qualities come from the lack of leadership, and all we see is years of underachievement.

David Calderon
David Calderon

Sandy "we kinda like the team I put together, that's 11 games under 500 and can't hit a lick".he sounds like a robot at this point

David Calderon
David Calderon

Yeah cause every team strives to be "500" and mediocre.. What a an f in joke

matmil
matmil

I think if you look honestly at the situation you have to admit we are a long way from being competitive. Honestly your going nowhere with Duda and Tejada as two of your key players. As I heard Bobby O say we need a player, at least one, who has an edge. Meaning I think that there is no leadership, player wise on this team. Wright is a nice man but has no edge. And that would only be a beginning.

kph16
kph16

Notice he didn't start talking about run differential until they had those few double digit run scoring blowouts recently.  Take those out and see if you still "like" the differential.  I'm officially embarrassed to be a 30 year fan.

MetsGoLetsGo
MetsGoLetsGo

What has Terry Collins done well as a manager for the Mets?


As a fan I'll admit I don't know exactly how much a manager can do for a team, and what the difference between a good, okay and bad manager is. But from what I've seen he's not too great at handling the bullpen, makes odd lineup decisions, sits hot players, plays cold players, and is unable to energize the team.


Is there something I as a fan just don't see that he's doing good, or is he just not on the hot seat because he's a yes man for the front office?

We should be glad we are not overeating. I am surprised Matt doesn't understand that it is not about the win loss record this year. I know it's hard for us to stomach the losing, but that is the bottom line about this year. Our win loss record could be different by 5 games either way. Why should that matter in making decisions that impact the organization long term? Thing is Cerrone gets this, I think. Or has in the past.

robby
robby

Matt I feel the same way.  I'm tired of all these excuses and philosophys.  Thats what losers say.  The bottom line is we are 11 games under, can't hit and sinking faster that the titanic.

bbr7
bbr7

@gpopper i agree his BS is ridiculous and maybe in some warped way he actually believes his own bs. but how much of a fool can the guy really be dude is rollin in millions and not producing any results.

psi1
psi1

Sandy's generation is all about "I'm in charge. I say...you do". We are just annoying little children in his castle.

psi1
psi1

What he said.

psi1
psi1

Terry is like a driver who grips the steering wheel of his moving car with both hands; grips really really hard, and is jerking the wheel back and forth while the car is moving at 15 miles an hour.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@barbarossa @Justin Jm Actually as of this morning the Mets r DEAD LAST in NL attendance but they have had 11 less home dates than Mia. They r avging almost 7K more per game than the Marlins.  But the Marlins r up 4500/gm over last yr.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

How is CY and EY ad almost 90% of the bums his players

gpopper
gpopper

Has nothing to do with the generation and everything to do with the individual.

bbr7
bbr7

@nymetsrule i don't care what anyone says. minaya was a good gm. yes he had his mistakes. a lot of them. but he also got us beltran. he got us delgado in a trade. he brought in pedro martinez. he locked up wright and reyes to multiyear deals at a discount before they hit free agency. i know he made mistakes. but in my mind he was a hell of a lot better than sandy. and he would of done better than sandy even with these payroll constraints in my opinion

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

@cyrus @nymetsrule The Wilpon's won't let our payroll go over $78 million so it really doesn't matter who the GM or manager is.