Starlin Castro

Mets and Starlin Castro are a ‘perfect match,’ says Mets source

12:02 pm: “You can never have too many shortstops,” Cubs GM Jed Hoyer told MLB Network Radio on Monday. “It’s a good problem to have.”

Hoyer listed just the Cardinals and Mets when describing teams in baseball who have a strong, young group of pitching prospects.


10:15 am: Cubs SS Starlin Castro is a perfect match for the Mets, an anonymous member of the Mets told columnist John Harper (Daily News, July 7).

However, neither side is inclined to explore such a deal until after the season, according to Harper’s sources.

This past weekend, the Cubs traded pitchers Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel to the A’s for package that included highly-touted SS Addison Russell, leading several media outlets to speculate that Castro could be had in a trade.


Castro, 24, is in the second year of a seven-year, $60-million contract, which includes a $16 million team option in 2020.

He is batting .287 with a .332 OBP, 11 HR, 51 RBI and 26 doubles through 367 plate appearances this season.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The source is right, he is a perfect fit. This is exactly the kind of deal Sandy Alderson is going to have to make. The problem, however, is that it will likely cost Zack Wheeler. Friends in Chicago told me last summer the Cubs asked Alderson for Wheeler when putting feelers out about Castro, who was only hitting .245 with six home runs at the time. Wheeler had made only a handful of big-league starts at the time.

Today, Wheeler has a 3.75 ERA after 35 career starts, and Castro is one of the better hitting shortstops in the National League. It’s a fair trade. But, I have no idea if Alderson is ready to pull this sort of trigger, especially considering question marks hanging over Matt Harvey and Noah Syndergaard.

The Cubs will not trade Castro until this offseason, though. The only time a big hitter gets moved in season is if he’s a rental player, which Castro most certainly is not. Instead, the Cubs will wait for November to gauge interest and draw in as many teams as possible. Plus, this gives them to time to directly assess the younger Russell, whom they acquired from Oakland.

That said, hearing what I hear, knowing how these teams poked around on the idea a year ago and seeing what Harper’s sources are saying, it’s clear the Mets and Cubs will discuss this again in three to four months…





459 comments
Marcos Diaz
Marcos Diaz

They need pitching more than we need a SS, I can live with Flores or even trading for a guy like Did I who wouldn't cost us Wheeler. Only way I consider trading Wheeler is for a big time power hitter.

Mets projected rotation next year without wheeler: Harvey, Syndergaard, Niese, Gee, DeGrom. I could absolutely live with that. On the other hand, the lineup without castro has either flores or tejada at short, neither of which are proven (and flores is suspect on the field). This would be a good trade.


mesmo
mesmo

You must do your due diligence on Flores and Reynolds before dealing away a power pitcher with potential for a high salaried, defensive question, head case like Castro. Why not pursue one of the cheaper Cubs SS prospects for a pitching prospect? Especially if money is an issue for ownership.

With that in mind, Flores needs to be here tomorrow and play everyday while keeping an eye on Reynolds with a call up in September.

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

ENOUGH ALREADY! you people cry that Alderson doesn't make big trades and this is a big deal. MOST METS PLAYERS ARE NOT FUTURE ALL STARS! you have to trade quality for quality, stop it. a Trade for Castro is a good deal, your not getting Andrelton Simmons or Tulo for Just wheeler, take the deal and be happy that Tejada would be gone. smh

gloveman
gloveman

I'd feel better about deciding a SS if we actually gave Flores a chance to show his value there. Flores is an RBI guy who needs a chance to show if he can handle the defensive end. Why do we watch Tejada and learn nothing about Flores?

James Solomon
James Solomon

NO NO NO NO NO.

Stop with this.  It makes no sense to trade top pitching for a good offensive/poor defensive=average SS already making 6+ million a year.  I much rather sign a cabrera, hardy, lowrie, ramirez (which i dont see happening, plus not interested in his crappy defense) and keep the pitching here or trade them for a bigger piece


happy hank
happy hank

the Cubs want young controllable pitching. i would trade Montero and Matz for Castro but not Wheeler. Wheeler is adjusting to MLB pitching and has shown flashes of brilliance. i would not trade him for Castro. if i'm dealing Wheeler i want a Stanton type power bat in return. same for Thor, they are not untouchable but they should not be moved for just a good player. if they are moved it should be for a superstar, because that is what Wheeler and Thor could be.  

tw22
tw22

I think Niese is the fit here. Right Lat my arse. The Cubs are not far away with Russell, Javier Baez and Kris Bryant, along with Anthony Rizzo. Neise is a more polished pitcher than Wheeler. Not to mention Wheeler would get destroyed in Wrigley. He is still wildly inconsistent and we have restocked the loss of his arm with the PTBNL in the Davis deal and in the draft to an extent. Harvey and Syndegaard are in the rotation next year, barring disaster, Gee is a pitcher's pitcher and good at the back of the rotation and don't forget Matz and Fullmer when you bring up Montero or any other promising arm. Those guys are a year or two away, but they are just as valuable as Wheeler is, if Wheeler gets us a player like Castro that immediately bats fourth and puts Granderson in the lead off. His glove is inconsistent, but he good morre than he is bad. I would make the deal with either pitcher involved but I think if I'm Theo Epstien I like Niese going forward, if he wants to jump on the Zack Wheeler bus I say let him. We have the horses to take that hit.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

There have been rumors that Tejeda is related to Mario Mendoza...sure looks like it.

gary1962
gary1962

You're crazy to trade away a Tom Seaver like pitcher. You can never have enough pitching. Instead give up a montero & maybe a Dillon Gee. This will make room for syndergard & matt harvey next year. I'd rather keep Tejada than trade away quality pitching until it becomes a surplus. And who says these kids can't continue to improve. Look up the stats fro Bill Robinson who broke in with the Yankees & hit 200 but at age 30+ he almost won a batting crown.

Steven Molello
Steven Molello

For those of you who think Ruben Tejada is a legitimate offensive player that the Mets NEED to keep, please leave here and go to Tejadablog.com...

Zach14
Zach14

How are people comfortable trading Wheeler away? Why not consider Montero or deGrom since there won't be room for them in the future.

Christian Pezzuti
Christian Pezzuti

If the Cubs are willing to do Castro straight up for Wheeler then you have to pull the trigger. Castro fills a need that cannot otherwise be filled via the farm or FA in the foreseeable future. Wasn't this out plan all along anyway? Stockpile the good young pitching and then deal from the strength when the opportunity arises to add players in positions you need? Yes. I'm sure that I heard that somewhere...

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

tejada is as good as he is gonna be, he is not developing anymore. if people dont wanna give up wheeler for castro then how about trading montero and maybe ynoa to the white sox for alexi ramirez? if flores is not going to truly be given his shot at SS on our roster it means only one of two things, either flores will be traded in a package deal for someone, or murphy will be traded and flores will be put at second. somethings gotta give cuz what they are doing right now makes  no sense.

Marcos Diaz
Marcos Diaz

I would consider it if it were Russell, and even then I would add 2 other young arm like Matz and Montero for Solar. I'm more worried about our OF than I am SS.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@gary1962 the pitching is a surplus. if everyone is healthy in spring training next year we have 8 starters. harvey, wheeler, syndergaard, montero, degrom, colon, niese, and gee. tejada is not improving, he is what he is. and he doesnt have rey ordonez type defense doesnt have speed, doesnt have power, doesnt hit for average. he batted like .290 once and once teams have figured him out but now he will never do it again

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

Because they will not bring back a player as good as Castro.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Zach14 Montero doesn't have much value now. And since deGrom's been pretty good in his grand total of 10 ML starts (which he's gone 1-5 in, btw), everyone on here has of course logically slotted him in to be the next Seaver, while Wheeler is of course nothing more than the next Mike Pelfrey.....

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese I'd be MUCH more comfortable with that than dealing Wheeler and/or Thor and/or deGrom for Castro.

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

I understand your point, but how else do you propose to get a very young quality hitter in the lineup? Free agency? Nope quality young players don't become free agents anymore. We have a surplus at pitching, why not balance that out a bit? See my point?

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@Eddie_Dean @Dave D'Agnese it just scares me seeing what Flores is doing right now. if we give up on him at 22 years old and he turns out to be a consistent .285/25/85 kind of guy i am gonna be sick to my stomach. he is gonna probably even be more powerful and bigger as he gets older. maybe they envision putting him back at first base. i just want him up here playing every day

jaydhn
jaydhn

@C.K. Dexter Haven @Dave D'Agnese I hear what you are saying. Tejada, so far this year, has made big strides. He's a 1 WAR player with a .350 OBP. Positive dWAR and has some of the best range of his young career. If this is the real Tejada and he can improve on what he is currently doing, then sign me up. Consider SS set. 

Eric Hack
Eric Hack

@C.K. Dexter Haven  Because he cant throw he has no  range he panics he strikesout he has no power no speed and he has trouble catching the ball.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@C.K. Dexter Haven @Dave D'Agnese because he is not showing me any signs of being a legit short stop. he is a nice back up and thats all he is gonna ever be. he is batting .230. if he made plays like rey ordonez or something maybe i could live with it but he is marginal in the field and below average at the plate. he will never be a .300 hitter never hit more than 5 home runs in a season, and he isnt even fast enough to steal 15 bases. i dont want that for my everyday stating short stop

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese @Eddie_Dean If I had to guess, I honestly think they're going to trade Murphy and plug in Flores every day at 2B. If not at the trade deadline, then in the offseason.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@jaydhn @C.K. Dexter Haven @Dave D'Agnese My only ever point with Tejada is this:  If the Mets are going to sign a CLEAR upgrade to him, then by all means Sandy, get it done.  But don't parade Flores and Drew and Gregorius and now Castro in front of me/us as if they're the one key that's going to make this team contenders.  It's nonsense.  If LF and CF and 3B and 1B were driving the ball consistently, none of us would care about SS.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@Dave D'Agnese  Wait so in 2011 and 2012 you didn't feel he was a "legit" SS?  I just want to make sure i understand that.  This kid has hit on this level.  In fact, the last time this team was TRULY competitive (2012), HE was their starting SS. 

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@jaydhn @Dave D'Agnese @Eddie_Dean I actually think Flores could be a decent fielder at another position. I don't think his problems really come from footwork or not being sure-handed, I just think he has no range whatsoever for a starting SS. That would hurt him a bit less at second though, and obviously a lot less at the corners. But they're obviously set at 3B, and they're still in love with Lucas at 1B, so I think his only shot is that they eventually trade Murph. Or trade him. One of the other pretty much has to happen at some point.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@Eddie_Dean thats what i'm thinking is gonna happen. cuz duda isnt going anywhere cuz he is cheap. if flores plays like he does in vegas then i dont think murphy will be missed that much. still need a short stop though. in a perfect world murphy and gee to the dodgers for joc pederson. it gives the dodgers that infielder they need and the fifth starter to put them over the top. it works for both parties. because if everyone is healthy next year and we have harvey, thor, wheeler, colon, degrom, gee, niese, and montero. we cant have an 8 man rotation lol

jaydhn
jaydhn

@C.K. Dexter Haven @jaydhn @Dave D'Agnese Totally agree. Improving SS is not the key to contention. We need more out of LF, 3B and C (not saying I would get rid of d'arnaud since it's been night and day since his most recent promotion). 


If we could get a power hitting LF and Wright can get back to form, I think we are right in it.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@C.K. Dexter Haven @Dave D'Agnese In 2012 I thought he was good enough to man the position for several years if they improved pretty much everywhere else. Basically, he'd be a solid fielder and #8 hitter on a good team, at least until he hit free agency and someone (else) overpaid for him. And that was when he was at his best. Then he showed up out of shape for spring training 2013, hit .202, and took a MAJOR step backwards defensively and got sent down. Then he showed up out of shape AGAIN for spring training 2014, and so far has hit .240, still with no power or even a hint of speed on the basepaths. I'll give him that his fielding has gotten back to where it was pre-2013 though.


To me, all he's shown is that on a good team he could be their utility infielder, and MAYBE a starting SS if they're positively LOADED everywhere else and just need someone who can field to hold down the position at a low cost.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@C.K. Dexter Haven @Dave D'Agnese what he did then was arguably going to the best season he will ever have in his career and it still isnt anything to write home about. now that major league pitchers have figured out his game he will never do it again. mike jacobs, and kevin maas had great first seasons too.

mesmo
mesmo

So could a lot of guys that wouldn't cost us Wheeler.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@Eddie_Dean @jaydhn @Dave D'Agnese i know neither of you like castro but with him and flores up the middle, we could be looking at 40 home runs between the two of them and 160-180 rbis. i'm willing to live with possibly some errors in the field for that.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@jaydhn but we all know they arent signing any big name free agents to play LF or 1B, so because of that reason, tejada is not the answer. 

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese It's not that I don't like Castro, I just don't think he's worth anywhere near what the Cubs are asking for him. The only reason he looks good is b/c he's a SS, but if you forget about his position for a moment and just look at his numbers, how much better would this offense be with him on the team and everything else equal? (and I'm not just talking about his numbers this year, I'm talking about for his career-I'll believe this year is real when he duplicates his 1st half in the 2nd half of the year) I think he basically is Daniel Murphy, just at SS instead of 2B. They already can't score with 1 Murphy on the team, I don't know that having 2 would make them so much better.

jaydhn
jaydhn

@Dave D'Agnese @jaydhn The extra offense you will get from upgrading SS will be marginal. You can make bigger impacts in LF and 1B. Honestly, I'd be fine with Duda if he was just better defensively.


Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@Eddie_Dean @Dave D'Agnese murphy is almost 30. he is hitting his ceiling now. castro is 24 and is gonna be twice the player murphy is. with a new team and city castro might flourish here and is under contract for four years. he could be a cornerstone type player.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese @Eddie_Dean Eh, maybe. They're both in their 5th full season in the majors (although Murph did see some time in his 1st non-rookie year, and missed 2010 with an injury sustained while he down in the minors). For Castro to turn into a significantly better player than Murph is, then one of two things has to happen. He either has to improve DRAMATICALLY in the field, and I don't see that happening at this point. Or, he needs to go out and do what he's done in the first half this year again in the second half, and keep doing it pretty consistently. But as of right now, they both have never hit 15 homers in a full season. Their per year RBI numbers are pretty even (before this year, at least), and Murph's base stealing has improved while Castro's has regressed. Also, Castro strikes out a good deal more than Murph as well. And I'd put them even defensively.


Since this doesn't sound like it will be a midseason trade anyway, we'll get the benefit of Castro's July, August, and September numbers to re-evaluate in the offseason. But unless he really does finish around double where he is now (so 20+ homers and ~100 RBIs), I just don't see making this trade. At least, not at the Cubs' current asking price, anyway. If they came down a bit, that of course changes everything.

jaydhn
jaydhn

@Dave D'Agnese @jaydhn Alexi plays better D. But his OPS+ is only 10 points higher than Tejada. And when you factor in his age, does it really make sense? Castro is going to hurt you with his defense. And do you really want Castro and Murphy working the middle infield?

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@Eddie_Dean thats why a part of me wishes we make this trade now. if he fnishes with 20hrs and 100 rbis then they are gonna want the world for him

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@jaydhn if we get castro, then murphy might get traded for flores at 2nd base. murphy can maybe bring back a pitching prospect to replace what you will potentially lose for castro. if castro is hitting .290/11/51 at the break and is an all star at 24, dont you think his numbers will get better? especially in nyc and with the potential for another big contract in 4 years? he will shine here honestly. tejada will never hit .290/11/51 for a whole season!!!!!!

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Dave D'Agnese To me it sounds like they want the world for him now. If they're already asking for Wheeler AND Thor or deGrom, how much more could they possibly want in November for a guy who plays no defense and that every team in baseball knows they have to trade to make room for the kids coming up from the farm?

jaydhn
jaydhn

@Dave D'Agnese @jaydhn I'm not sure Murphy could net you a Wheeler or Syndergaard. Castro definitely has more value than Murphy. Plus the middle infield D would still be bad in your scenario. If you are getting a Castro, or putting Flores in the MI, their counterpart needs to play above average D.


LF shouldn't be so difficult to upgrade. You should be able to land a better hitter than Castro in the OF in exchange for someone like Wheeler.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@jaydhn @Dave D'Agnese trading wheeler is just speculation. lets say they want syndergaard instead of wheeler, you still wouldnt do it? there is no guarantee that syndergaard will live up to his hype. at some point you have to take a risk. castro could potentially be a 100 million type player when he contract runs out in 4 years and he will still only be 28 years old. the dude could be a .320/20/90 type guy. there is no LFer out there on the open market with the potential that castro has and the price tag he has. that tomas kid from cuba is unproven against MLB pitching.

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

The deal that makes the most sense is Syndergaard for Russell. The 10 overall prospect for the 11.(mlb ratings).both teams then take the risk of the prospect not living up to the hype.A gamble for both with a big upside for both.

jaydhn
jaydhn

@Dave D'Agnese @jaydhn Thor for Castro straight up....  I would probably pull the trigger if I was confident I could sign him to an extension. 


But, before killing my MI defense, I would try to see what kind of OFer I could get for Thor.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

@jaydhn @Dave D'Agnese if we can get castro for thor. and trade murphy, gee, and montero to the dodgers for joc pederson. and move flores to 2b. then that takes care of LF, SS, and 2B for next season. plus our rotation would be Harvey, Wheeler, Niese, Degrom, and Colon. With Matz not too far behind