Nick Franklin, Mike Leake

Mets and Mariners expected to talk about Nick Franklin

The Mets and Mariners are expected to talk again about 22-year-old SS Nick Franklin, who they discussed at the Winter Meetings in December, according to a Mets insider (ESPN NY, Feb. 24).

The Mariners are likely going to trade Franklin before Opening Day, according to industry sources (ESPN NY, Feb. 20).

Franklin hit .225 with 12 home runs, 45 RBI and six stolen bases in 96 games as a rookie last season, during which he played second base. The Mariners already have SS Brad Miller and signed 2B Robinson Cano as a free agent, which makes Franklin expendable.

“Shortstop’s really my natural position,’’ Franklin said (Seattle Times, Feb. 20), in regards to competing with Miller at shortstop this spring. “I grew up playing shortstop my whole life. It’s nothing new to me.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Feb. 20: The Mariners have been talking with teams about Franklin since the Winter Meetings, according to friends with Seattle. The moment they signed Cano, front offices around MLB starting asking about Franklin’s status. The buzz all winter is that Seattle is looking for an inexpensive, under-team-control, young arm. I see Mets fans suggesting Jacob deGrom, but I sense the Mariners are thinking more along the lines of a Vic Black, Jenrry Mejia and/or Rafael Montero. I assume Seattle’s asking price is high, because they’ve been talking to teams about trading him all winter and nothing has happened. This sounds a lot like what Sandy Alderson has gone through with Ike Davis, since the Mets have been seeking a similar pitcher in return for their first baseman…




374 comments
Randy Dela Cruz
Randy Dela Cruz

.225 BA? How is he not shitty. Mariners don't think he has a future, why should the Mets? He's Seattle's version of Ike Davis.

John Cross
John Cross

They shouldn't give up a significant prospect for Franklin, but I think he is worth getting. They clearly do not like where things with Tejada are going and Stephen Drew is too expensive and it is unknown if Wilmer Flores can be defensively good enough to be the everyday shortstop.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

shitty? you are crazy. top 100 prospect. switch hitter. 7 years of control. near 50 extra base hits a year. would be a steal.

mets2891
mets2891

Or, they could just sign a guy and not give up a young arm.  This is where being cheap is maddening.

Meet The Matts
Meet The Matts

Vic Black is no Skip Lockwood or Neil Allen. Trade him for the SS.

John Vastola
John Vastola

I think they'll do this trade, give them DeGrom and Walters.That'd be fair.

Randy Dela Cruz
Randy Dela Cruz

Mets have no class. I can't believe that they are parading guys like this in front of their fans and calling them talent. Mets suck and will continue to suck as long as the court shitty players like Franklin.

1harris1
1harris1

The Post is reporting that Tejada is still out of shape.  LOL!  How is that possible after they sent the guy to "fitness camp"?\

hankypanky
hankypanky

Niese for Miller? Wow, I smell a trade.

eric88
eric88

Replace Neise with Mejia or Montero or Lannan until Thor is Ready. Also, if you dump Niese and Ike, you have money now to make moves, 11 million..

eric88
eric88

I would trade Niese who is reasonable and under control for 3 more years, for Miller/Franklin. To me Niese has always underachieved and has never played a whole season. Don't forget, he has a partially torn rotator cuff. If they don't move I feel he will end up needing TJS sometime this year. Besides, I rather keep the power prospects. Sandy will do something, he hates Tejada who looks soft and doughy again.

Jimmy
Jimmy

Impossible for Opening Day, but I'd love to see this lineup at some point this season:

1) Miller SS (2nd choice Franklin)

2) Murphy 2B

3) Wright 3B

4) Granderson RF

5) Flores 1B (I have less faith in either platoon than most fans)

6) D'Arnaud C

7) C Young/EYoung LF

8) Lagares CF

mrmet1
mrmet1

Sandy won't make this trade. Franklin makes a few dollars more than Quintanilla. Don't need him if we have Omar and Tejada.

ofdzca7
ofdzca7

My guess is Seattle will wait and see which team offers the best deal for them to win now.

ofdzca7
ofdzca7

I'd fork over Mejia & Black. They'd probably want Montero, ha?

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

The M's also lost Gutierrez for the year due to health reasons.  Maybe they'd be interested in an OFer?  They've got an odd combo projected right now with Ackley and Logan Morrison in the OF.  They could ask for Lagares or Den Dekker though I'd rather deal from a point of strength. 

Rich Kluender
Rich Kluender

From what i gather he cannot play ss and the Mariners are giving up on him. He is more of a 2B . I would not give up Montero for him. We don't have a need for a 2b. Not only would i not give up Montero i would not give up Gee,Niese or De Grom.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

FYI.  Franklin's fielding % at short in minors = .943.   Flores = .959.  Haven't seen either play short but I'd guess by Franklin's speed, you'd have to consider him to have the better range factor.  What is MLB average %?

jamets
jamets

Much rather have a 22 year old Franklin than 1 year of Drew.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@mets2891 no it's not. This is where having a massive amount of promising arms gives you the advantage. No need to panic, and bend over backwards for a mediocre talent like drew.

metsaholic
metsaholic

@1harris1 Don't believe everything you read, especially if you read it the NY Post.  I've read reports from guys who are down there is that the report is bogus.

Jimmy
Jimmy

Niese for Miller makes sense.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Heck, if Niese has never played a full season and he has a partially torn rotator cuff, do you think they would make the trade? Personally, I like it.

zoddie
zoddie

@mrmet1 How would Franklin make more?  They'll both make near the league minimum.  Quintanilla is a AAA player.  Franklin is a top 100 prospect.  I don't mind giving Tejada another chance to prove last year was a fluke, but if Franklin can be had cheaply, I don't see why the Mets wouldn't want him.

metstastic
metstastic

@Orlando Fernandez Mejia is coming back from surgery. His value is very low.. I'd think they would want Montero for a former first round pick.

niesesnose
niesesnose

They'd probably ask for Lagares because they need a CF, but Den dekker holds little value and is more of 4th/5th OF. Right now they have Saunders in right, LoMo in left

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jim Alderson  Hanley had a .960, Lowrie .962...

Fielding percentage is a terrible stat to base any decision off of especially in the minor leagues where the rest of the team around him could be complete garbage making him look much much worse. 

Also Flores hasn't played SS in 3 seasons. 

mets2891
mets2891

@Jimmy No it doesn't, Niese is one of the lone lefties (and sure things) in this rotation.  You trade him for offense, which is what this team really needs, not a project. 

rico
rico

Niese is the lone lefty starter...no way he goes for miller

Brian Safchik
Brian Safchik

@Orlando Fernandez Back surgery?  He pitched well for us last year and then got his elbow cleaned out to remove bone chips which was a very minor procedure

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Terry values DenDekker as a starting outfielder, not a bench piece.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Hard to be unbiased but do you think Franklin for Lagares is an even trade?  Hypothetically?

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Could've been a factor I suppose.  I guess my point is not that Flores would be better defensively, but that he was considered not good enough to stick there.  If teammates were not a factor, and the % is accurate, why would Franklin be more deserving?  I would think the teammate factor would even out over time as you change levels over a period of years, unless you want to say the M's just suck as a system?

mets2891
mets2891

@rico seriously, no WAY you make that trade.  For Christ sake, just sign Drew.

niesesnose
niesesnose

If Jack Z is considered a "big boy" Sany must be God. Jack Z is a terrible GM

Ed Yano
Ed Yano

So you want to trade neise because you think he will need TJS, but think Seattle will take him in a trade because he rehabbed it.Too funny,you can't expect anyone to take you seriously.

eric88
eric88

@hankypanky   Right now the problem is Sandy. He doesn't want to give up a higher end pitching prospect for Franklin or the Money for Drew. Hey Sandy, Your playing with the big boys now!

zoddie
zoddie

@Nicholas Vargas He does?  First I've heard of that.  Who is he starting in front of?  Granderson, Chris Young? Lagares?  EYoung?

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Nicholas Vargas Yeah he does, and he's a once in a generation case. If your expecting Lagaras to progress like gomez, you'll he right when he's on his 3rd team.

rico
rico

No way do you trade Montero and Black for Miller. I'd rather they wait for Drew or stick with Rueben

Jimmy
Jimmy

No way I'd give up Montero and Black for Nick Franklin. Brad Miller maybe, but not Franklin.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Yeah, trying to think how to avoid that, but that's what I'd be asking for if I were them.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jim Alderson Highly doubt that is enough. 


I honestly don't know what it will take. I'm going to assume it's a montero, and RP (Black) package.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Or you can deal him while he's getting some hype if you package him with a pitcher like say, Familia? 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jim Alderson NOBODY did and honestly there is still a shot he's just a bench player. 


His defense in CF will be + but his bat might never play more than bench. I don't feel like the 2014 Mets are going to compete for a Playoff spot... So i'm more than willing to play him in CF every day to see if he's going to stick.

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Agreed.  Some Mets fans seem to elevate Lagares but I don't see it.  I watched him in the minors and never thought he'd be more than bench. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jim Alderson Not even close. It's not unbiased. Lagaras is older, less regarded and really only has 1+ tool in his defense in CF. 


SS is a more valuable commodity and Franklin's bat is stronger.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@niesesnose It's cause you need someone logging every single defensive play over all the levels, probably could be done at A, AA and AAA but it is 3rd party data that these sites compile off of. 

It's not something you can just look at a box score and create. I bet front offices have access to some from their scouts.

niesesnose
niesesnose

They don't record UZR in the minors? Huh, I wonder why. It'd help teams get a better sense of a player's defensive talents

Jim Alderson
Jim Alderson

Is UZR a combo of % and range?  What does that stand for? 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@niesesnose Only when you have 3,000 or so innings, and they don't have minor league UZR.

niesesnose
niesesnose

UZR is a much better stat to use for fielding

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Jim Alderson He was considered not good enough because he wasn't athletic enough. It's why they moved him off the position 3 years ago when he was 18... Your only going to get less athletic as you grow and put on muscle.


Fielding percentage doesn't take into account the balls you can't get to, just the ones you could.


For example a ball hit over the 2nd base bag, someone line Reyes might get a glove on it, and make a bad throw to 1st... that is an error.. Meanwhile someone like say Tejada doesn't get there.. not an error.


it's a horrifically flawed stat and one you should never pay attention to when valuing a player defensively.

niesesnose
niesesnose

Well in terms of player development, the M's are very bad. They've rushed basically every major prospect and have payed dearly for it (Ackley, Zunino, Montero, Smoak)