Links to Read: Reyes, interleague, climbing hills

Justin Silberman from Mets Merized Online says Jose Reyes is playing too well to be considered a trade chip.

Speaking of Reyes, before last night’s game, Alex Rodriguez said he thought Reyes was the world’s greatest baseball player, and Kevin Kernan of the New York Post agrees.

John Delcos of the New York Mets Report wonders if Reyes will be able to stay hot into July.

Rob Patterson from Mets Fever thinks there is one reason why Major League Baseball bothers with interleague play.

David Lennon of Newsday says Josh Thole is comfortable handling adversity.

Over at New York Baseball Digest, Mike Silva says there was a certain buzz at Citi Field last night.

Lastly, Tara Sullivan of the Bergen Record believes the Mets still have more hills to climb.





242 comments
bradysucks
bradysucks

Fellas - please remember the Ravens were able to keep these 4 core players together for years on defense

Terrell Suggs

Ed Reed

H Ngata

Ray Lewis

They did this because they didn't have to pay a QB huge money!!!!! It wasn't until Flacco got huge money that this changed

The Jets also do not currently have to worry about paying a QB and as such should be able to keep together these 4 players

Williams

Wilkerson

Richardson

Revis

Jason_OTC
Jason_OTC

@bradysucks That would be the closest comp, the only thing is that group only had only two elite pay guys (Ngata and Suggs) though there was a 3 year overlap from when Ngata signed for the group. In 2014 they broke it up- Reed went to Houston, Lewis retired, and Suggs dropped his pay significantly. 


Revis is ultra elite in pay for the next three years. Mo would be elite in pay for the next three. Richardson would be elite by 2017. You also have Harris to deal with for two years as the Lewis contract and of the defense with Cro as Reed though his guarantees only run for a season. You also have to consider a possible extension for Coples and Snacks. 


It is a very difficult situation to navigate. Once you do a Revis style deal it forces you to make really difficult choices at other spots. Even if we dont have a QB on the roster now the team has to keep the resources in place in the event that someone becomes available next year. Considering Brees, Rivers, Eli, Newton, Foles, RGIII and Bradford are possibilities you have to at least keep open the chance one guy hits free agency or the trade market. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Jason_OTC @bradysucks


Actually, Reed left for Houston after the 2012 season, not in 2014.  Lewis retired after 2012 too.


And Ngata was on his rookie deal until 2010.


And that was only possible because Lewis earned less than $5m in each of the last four years of his career.  (A sum which is less than half what we can expect all four of the above names to earn in their veteran deals).


So actually those four were together on their veteran deals for just TWO years and, after that, they had just two more years where they could afford two of them.  It's a similar situation for the Jets where they could in theory have a year or two with everyone on board, but eventually you're going to have to save some money for the offense.


It's just ironic to me that the person who complains the most about the lack of talent on offense doesn't see this.

robg8656
robg8656

If the choice were Revis or Mo who do you keep?

Bent
Bent moderator


@robg8656 


Assuming they keep both for this year, it will be interesting to see how much they've improved so we can weigh up how much difference Revis actually made.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent @robg8656

This is Exactly what good coaching with Good Vision should be able to tell you....when they're on board with the signing!!!

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Hanknaples @Disgruntled Jets Fan @Bent @robg8656 that's great.  But due to various factors, every single coach turns out to be wrong about some players every single year.  

 It's a complex massively multivariate system that exhibits chaotic behavior.  It's not possible to accurately predict consistently.

brunogi
brunogi

@robg8656 I would keep Mo, he is the younger player and the face of your defense for years to come, Revis is aging and goes with whomever offers the most money, don't forget we nicked named him Mevis. And hopefully while he is here, the Jets can develop Milliner and Mcdougal who are promising young players.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Sorry but some of you guys are losing it.....Those of us old enough to remember the Sack Exchange KNOW that there was NO WAY IN HELL back then that the fans or ownership would consider trading away Klecko, Gastineau, or Lyons.......


You don't break up the STRENGTH OF YOUR TEAM unless there is no other choice!!!! Rinse and Repeat


We learned this lesson with Revis and Cro who we just brought back.......


The smart move is to keep the nucleus of the NEW SACK EXCHANGE together......Those Core 3 players are Big Mo, Richardson, and Williams.....


If we need to cut costs to keep those 3 guys you do what is NECESSARY

williamg1
williamg1

Keep those three guys and Revis? Will we have enough resources for offense?

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent @bradysucks

Ohhh NO, here go go AGAIN....Round 'N Round it goes, where it stops Nobody Knows!!

My Uncle always told me:" Nephew, Where there is a Will, There's Always a Relative"!!

I mean take a look at the Dolphins, he said!!!

Pat d
Pat d

Comparing the 80s to now is like comparing baseball to football.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Pat d

Pat you do know that MLB is the only Major Team Sport W/O a salary cap, right???

bradysucks
bradysucks

Bent

The Jets don't have to worry about paying Williams big money for 4 years

They don't have to pay Sheldon for 2 years...

Wouldn't you rather keep Mo, Richardson, and Williams together ?

The Jets can still keep those guys and Revis. You retain your superstars!

You unload Harris, Brick, Cromartie, Coples, Snacks etc and replace those guys in the draft

bradysucks
bradysucks

Nonsense

Good teams have multiple superstars

The core 4 for the Jets are Revis, Mo, Richardson, & Williams. Everybody else is expendable on defense

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks


I literally just said I hope we can bring those guys back.


Obviously I am aware of the timing of the payments too.


Replacing five players of that caliber with draft picks sounds like what John Idzik tried to do and if they failed to find sufficient replacements, again you'd be the first person complaining.


It's all so easy on paper, but the Jets have some tough decisions ahead.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks


How many times have the Jets had a defense LOADED with talent only for the one or two weaknesses to get exploited over and over again?


You put those four out there with seven weaker guys (or even five average ones and two weak links) they'll be picked apart even by the bad teams.



bradysucks
bradysucks

Bent

Good teams are built through the draft. You keep your core 4 superstars but you still have to draft well. The Ravens are perfect example of this. They kept a great defense together for years back when they didn't have to worry about paying Flacco huge money

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks


BS - the salary cap was introduced in 1994.  Therefore, your Sack Exchange example simply does not compare to the situation here, because retaining those guys didn't place severe limitations on what the Jets could do with the rest of their team.


With that said, of course I want the Jets to bring these guys back but, sadly, having Wilkerson and Richardson on long term deals is an option the team might have surrendered by getting Revis back.


If the team has a terrible offense because there's no money left over to add talent, you will be the first person complaining about it.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks


You're doing it backwards though.  Good teams build through the draft and THEN spend money to make themselves contenders.


Not pay a ton of money to a select group and then find themselves forced to rely on a bunch of late round picks and unproven guys.


Not in the NFL anyway.  


Your strategy is a sound one...for the NBA.

bradysucks
bradysucks

You win in the NFL with star players....


The right move for the Jets is to keep Wilkerson, Richardson, and Williams long term!!!!!!'

Coples and Snacks are going to have to go as they will be too expensive after this season......

It would be an enormous mistake not to keep the 3 best players on the d-line together for the next 4 or 5 years. It can be done also because of the rookie pay scale. 


If the Jets are forced to unload any contracts on defense next year as a means of freeing up money for Wilkerson then they should unload the contracts David Harris or Cromartie......The Jets  really have no excuse not to keep Big Mo as the Jets don't have to pay a top QB


The only reason to get rid of Wilkerson would be if he asks for Suh money which would be north of 14 million a season

Marvel
Marvel

We all may like Wilk...

But with another stud DE already established and you just drafted the top DE in the class... You simply make an offer you feel comfortable with and if he doesn't play ball, o well .

Hard truth .

williamg1
williamg1

1) try re-signing wilk to a reasonable contract extension. If that doesnt work;

2) try trading him for reasonable compensation (whatever that is determined to be). If you can't get the right compensation;

3) franchise him

Rinse repeat.

Bent
Bent moderator

@williamg1


How many times are you planning to repeat though?


If you won't pay him $13-14m (say) but then franchise him a few times, you'll have been paying him that much anyway (while probably pissing him off).

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

You can't trade Wilk without a deal anyways so now a deal will get done. I think the smartest move and the most probably is to sign him to a deal watch leonard williams develop and then trade Wilk next year if L. Williams looks like he is the real deal. 


Obviously id love to keep all of them but you can't. And obv the return would have to be great. Franchise qb or perennial pro bowl player great

Marvel
Marvel

And if Wilk gets injured after signing the deal ? (A deal you signed him to with the intent on trading him down the road...)

Can't do business like that.

Pat d
Pat d

Williams is the real deal

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@Marvel I never said sign him with the intent of trading him. Sign him so it gives you the option to trade him. 

williamg1
williamg1

You aren't talking about the Tyrod Taylor I'm thinking of. You just can't be.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan

You know this guy was rated #1 Dual Threat QB coming out of HS, right ?...his skills are underrated !!

BTW, Cam Newton was #2 and Tannehill #23 !!

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

Nothing like being on BOTH sides of the fence on an issue., it gives you such a Warm, Confy, Fuzzy, Secure,  feeling......too bad it's DELUSIONAL though!!!!

I'm talking about the Jets NEVER being in CAP HELL because the contract Numbers are NEVER (Can NOT be) FUDGED !! Genius, just a stroke of Genius!! 

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples 

You really have to lay off the Martinis...

this is getting ridiculous.