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Leaked document shows Mets shopped Murphy to Astros

This past off-season, the Mets offered 2B Daniel Murphy to the Astros in a deal to include 23-year-old SS prospect Jonathan Villar, according to a leaked document used for internal communication by Houston’s front office (Deadspin, June 30).

The Mets were willing to trade Murphy, but the asking price was ‘substantial,’ according to people who checked in on him (Rubin, Dec. 11).

For instance, while the Orioles had interest (Sherman, Dec. 9), the Mets asked for top pitching prospect Dylan Bundy, among other players, which Baltimore quickly turned down (MLB Network Radio, Dec. 11).

It was recently reported that the Blue Jays and Giants, among others teams, remain interested in Murphy, according to columnist Andy Martino (Daily News, June 23). However, Murphy and the Mets are also open to discussing a contract extension, although they have yet to have any formal negotiations  (Daily News, June 25).

Murphy expected to earn around $9 million in 2015, after which he can become a free agent.

According to MLB Trade Rumors, based on his position, age and stats, Murphy is likely due a four- or five-year contract extension worth around $12 million per season (MLBTR, June 26).


The leaked document also indicates the Astros pitched the Mets on swapping Ike Davis for RHP Lucas Harrell, 29, and LHP Alex Sogard, 26, but the Mets turned it down.

Davis was eventually traded to the Pirates in May for relief pitchers LHP Blake Taylor and RHP Zack Thornton.




115 comments
Pete Nabel
Pete Nabel

this is a stupid story. players are talked about all the time.

cbbruuno
cbbruuno

Wow, a story about the Mets front office that doesn't make me angry? Miracles do happen. 

For those getting all worked up about this just relax because 

A) they didn't make any trade and

B) Their asking price for Murphy was quite high so it clearly wasn't a salary dump situation. 

Marc Sklar
Marc Sklar

they should fire collins trade david fire the coacvhes

mets63
mets63

Murphy is a hitting machine.Only the mets would trade him.If he goes a lot more fans are lost.No reason to go to games

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

If course the trade makes sense because thats what the Mets do. They collect prospect's. lets see-major league player vs proect. Yes we have to get the prospect because we don't have to pay them anything and in Met land that's the bottom line. Welcome to the NY Mets-Home of prospects. freakin ridiculous

John G Oleon
John G Oleon

Its a non story because I bet t]every player is talked abut in baseball at any time...

Marc Apple
Marc Apple

Our entire management team from the GM on down should be replaced. Then the Wilpons should sell.

Jeff Apple
Jeff Apple

I seriously am starting to hate this team. I'm tired of being the running joke of the league for going on a decade now. You don't see winning teams shopping their best and one of the most liked players like this, and I don't see the Mets winning in the near future. They're losers and they act like they expect to be losers.

zoddie
zoddie

Isn't this a non-story?

"...the asking price was ‘substantial’"

As well it should have been.  Murphy is one of the better second basemen in baseball and isn't too expensive yet.  Sandy knew the Mets would need offense and therefore asked for the moon in return for Murph in a trade.  No one gave him an offer he couldn't refuse so Murphy is still on the team and is doing quite well.  Again.

Bruce Mitrani
Bruce Mitrani

Murp is still here and doing great. Get over it.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Sandy was probably trying to work a deal to get Fanrsworth back.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

I don't think the danger of Murph walking in free agency is as significant as a lot of you appear to believe.  Unless the Mets stonewall or low-ball him (see Reyes, Jose), I think Murph staying here on a longer extension makes the most sense for both parties.


Murphy is more valuable to the Mets than he would be for most other teams--he's arguably the best hitter in this lineup, and he's a perfect fit for Citi Field.  Teams with stronger hitting will be turned off by his lackluster baserunning and just-average defense, but for the Mets he's most important as a bat.  So, the Mets should place a higher value on Murph than most other teams, meaning that odds are the Mets would put forward the strongest offer to keep him here.  He'll probably get more money and job security here than he would elsewhere, and the Mets would lock down an anchor of their lineup (as well as a fan favorite), and have one less roster hole to fill.  Seems like a win-win to me.

Tommy JongHo Kim
Tommy JongHo Kim

I like what Cerrone said, "hes worth more to the Mets than what other teams are willing to give". It better be like the Carlos Beltran trade if the Mets are going to trade him. He is the only consistent bat in the lineup, I can't imagine what this team would look like or where this team would be if they got rid of him. Extend him before he gets even better, i say 3 years 45 is a steal.

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

The Mets need to ask for a lot more than Murphy is worth because it just doesn't make sense to swap him for a SS prospect as the document indicates.  First, there are no guarantees the prospect works out and even if he does you fill the hole at SS and now one is open at 2nd.  


I realize that Murphy is not the greatest player to ever play 2nd, but the guy is leading the NL in hits.  Why would you want to trade a guy leading the NL in hits from a team starved for offense?  And if you still want Murphy traded than I don't understand why people can't get over the fact that Sandy is asking for a lot in return.

Mark Gunn
Mark Gunn

Sometimes the trades you don't make are the best

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

Why can't SA decide on a plan for this team? Decide who fits and at what position from here going forward and trade those who don't for pieces that do? ie Flores at 4th different position since sent down, latest at 1st base.  SMH @ SA


I listened to Peter Gammons on the WFAN just a little why ago and while I don't watch or follow every team and especially their miniors it seems from what he said like there is a real need for hitters around the league. Mets better pony up the cash and sign a Cuban (think there was a young one mentioned here last week) that SA said it's too early to talk about as the hitting that they need (power) is going to cost BIG TIME in terms of pitchers

tmac77
tmac77

I guess we crossed the line where any trade discussions might as well be posted on twitter.  no info is safe. 

Charlie Callahan
Charlie Callahan

We can't hit so let's trade our only player that can? Trade him for another AAA player. Makes no sense. We need more Daniel Murphy not less.


We need another game changing trade like a Keith Hernandez, Piazza. According to the leaked documents. Giancarlo was available. Make it happen.

Bill Donahue
Bill Donahue

This is amazing. Here we have a team that cannot hit. We have a player who has more hits then any other player in the National League and we talk about getting rid of him. You can talk about freeing up money but what about people who go to the games?  At least Murphy gives them something to cheer about.

joe21
joe21

The Mets actually have several internal options to fill 2B. of course the Flores experiment, but behind him you have Reynolds, Herrara, Cecchini and Evans. one of those may be ready beyond next year long term, so if Murphy can bring a return and the Mets can come close to matching his production at a fraction of the price of a 4/$50M contract, I think it makes sense to move him. Even Danny Muno is a possible replacement; doesn't hit for as high average (unless he improves) but has very high OBP, has more pop and is a switch hitter. dialing down a bit in production to free up $12M a year is sometimes ok

Doubleday
Doubleday

Leaked documents, unnamed sources, bashing their own players ... This franchise is unreal.

lindro88
lindro88

Apparently the Astros computers were hacked.  A bunch of trade's they were discussing leaked out.

vimets
vimets

Murphy for Brett Gardner would be the ideal trade for both teams.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@Joe Wenzel that is spot on and it is truly amazing that the analysis from the media and fans haven't locked in on this. they are under "some pressure" to get better next year. A clear indication that most years a throw-aways and the only vision is trying to get out of JP Morgan debt, not put the best product on the field.


In all seriousness, they might have a Pirates-esque run in which they don't having a plus .500 record for something like 15 years. There is next to NO hope. 

metsfan89
metsfan89

@Tommy JongHo Kim "i can't imagine what this team would look like or where this team would be if they got rid of him"


lol calm down. hes a solid hitter but geez hes not a superstar. getting rid of him isn't going to kill us. it may hurt but not the way you are describing. Also, I doubt he gets better than he is right now. 

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

@Chad Michael  I agree plus in the event the Mets were to trade Murphy chances are either the prospect is a few years away or its for a pitcher.....a team wouldn't trade a player that is MLB ready and a better hitter than Murph....and If they are not a better hitter than Murph then why trade him in the first place.....the point would be to improve our offense right?

Chaz
Chaz

@Charlie Callahan agree but it will cost a syndergaard andmuch more. 

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

@Charlie Callahan With the options (young and cheap $) they have in the minors I'd be PO'ed if they don't trade Murphy. Trading Murphy gets you back talent at a different position of need and free's up $ to use elsewhere also. 

tullydew
tullydew

Yes every player could be available for the right price. Are you willing to trade Wheeler, Syndergaard, Plawecki, D. Smith and Nimmo for him?

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Bill Donahue People keep saying, "this is a team that can't hit."  While that's true, they can't play infield defense or run the bases worth a darn, either.  Murphy is definitely a solution for hitting, but he's a large part of the problems otherwise.

Born2Fish74
Born2Fish74

@Bill Donahue It shouldn't be about THIS year, it should be ALL about next and the following years as the Mets aren't going anywhere this year. Trading Murphy gets you back talent at a different position of need and free's up $ to use elsewhere

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@joe21 Most of the guys you named are also possible SS solutions; getting Villar for Murph would only further the logjam and uncertainty--then you'd need TWO of those guys to eventually pan out so you could fill both SS and 2B.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@vimets Nice player & would have traded a Montero or even Gee for him but offensively Murphy is better these days. Team has 2/3 of an OF at least. Wouldn't give up Murphy (opening a hole) for the last 1/3 so that we in effect would have a better EY.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@vimets Don't we already have like a dozen outfielders on this team?  Why do we need 13?

Brian Regan
Brian Regan

@vimets not for the mets.  Gardener makes a ton of money and while he is a good leadoff hitter, we should get a better hitter if we trade Murphy

drmetfan
drmetfan

@vimets The Yankees turned down the Red's offer of Brandon Phillips for Gardner. What makes you think they would accept the Mets offer for Murphy? Besides, the Yankees signed Gardner to a 4 year deal. He is not getting traded.

tullydew
tullydew

Why would the Yankees do that? I wish they would but their is no chance.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@vimets Unfortunately that's one of those, "It makes way too much sense" scenarios.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@metsfan89 @Tommy JongHo Kim the team barely can hit now. Yeah, take away him, it will make the team noticeably worse. If "kill" is your test, who meets it? Even Matt Harvey getting hurt didn't 'kill' the team.  Colon is doing pretty good in place of him and probably net Harvey being here might have given the team a few more wins.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@Born2Fish74 (PS4) @Charlie Callahan So you trade Murphy for a 23-year-old SS prospect.  Then you're still stuck with Tejada at SS for a couple of years until Villar is ready.  And who's going to play 2B if you trade Murph? And who'd be left in the lineup who can hit?  Finally, you really have faith that the Wilpons would take any money saved on Murphy and reinvest it in the roster--just like they did with Ike Davis?


I'll never understand wanting to trade an established, successful major-leaguer (at a tough position to fill) for a prospect who might (or might not) someday become an established, successful major-leaguer. 

James
James

I agree he isn't getting traded, but Murphy is better than Brandon Phillips right now and isn't owed 50m over the next 4 years (including 2014).

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@tullydew They could use Murphy though. It would probably cost more than just him, I'd agree. Maybe Murphy and one of the pitchers, other than Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, or Niese?

MetFanSince68
MetFanSince68

@mrmet4mvp @Born2Fish74 (PS4) @Charlie Callahan Jonathan Villar is playing in the majors for Houston. The so call prospect is batting .200 in 71  games. Another light hitting short stop. The trade would have been a steal for Houston. They probably would had moved Murphy to third. 

tullydew
tullydew

Except Phillips is a gold glover and Murphy is a horrible second baseman.

vimets
vimets

The Yankees 2b/3b situation has been horrendous this year and doesn't

look good going forward. Murphy's left handed bat would rake at Yankee

Stadium and with Ellsbury the Yanks don't desperately need Gardner. If they want another outfielder the Mets can throw in EY JR in the deal.

supert
supert

@Eddie_Dean @tullydew Am I missing something that is so great about Brett Gardner?  Murphy is a top 10 2B in MLB, can't say that about Gardner to suggest offering Murphy AND someone else for him.

tullydew
tullydew

Teams that are buyers at the trade deadline don't trade players off their rosters for help. Why would the Yankees weaken LF to get better at 2B?

If you notice year in year out, buyers at the deadline trade PROSPECTS for a MLB talent. A trade of Gardner for Murphy makes absolutely no sense for the Yankees.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@MetFanSince68 @mrmet4mvp @Born2Fish74 (PS4) @Charlie Callahan Just because a guy is playing in the majors doesn't mean he's not still a prospect.  Villar is still very young and probably should still be in the minors; the .200-hitting player he is now isn't necessarily the player he's always going to be, and Villar seems to have potential to possibly become a pretty good ball player at some point.


But that's still speculative, and you shouldn't trade a guy you already KNOW is a good major leaguer for a guy who MIGHT eventually become a good major leaguer.

James
James

@tullydew I am aware of that, though that GG is wearing thin he is clearly a better 2B defensively than Murphy.  I still wouldn't do a trade straight up for the two and I certainly wouldn't do it for the additional salary and age.

tullydew
tullydew

Your not understanding the reality of mid seasons trades. Teams that are buyers use prospects to improve their current roster. They don't trade current pieces off their roster for players.

Trade deadline deals are buyers offering prospects and sellers offering MLB players.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@tullydew Well, yes and no. They traded Soriano once upon a time. I know it was for A-Rod, and Murphy's no A-Rod. But Gardner's no Soriano in his prime either.


The Yankees really have no prospects to trade. They do have 5 outfielders for 3 spots now though (4 if you want to include the DH). If the Mets threw in a pitcher (which they may also need), who knows? They might be interested? Maybe even not at the deadline, but in the offseason.

vimets
vimets

The Yankees are a win now team but they don't have any prospects to trade to improve there chances. They have to be creative and giving up Gardner for Murphy and EY would improve there team.

tullydew
tullydew

Yes but The ARod trade was in the offseason. Many trades are player for player in the offseason.

That said, trade deadline trades are prospects for MLB player type deals only. Teams in contention don't want to weaken one position to help another. They always trade prospects to help their current roster.

Could it happen at the trade deadline...no. Could it happen in the offseason.....yes.

tullydew
tullydew

They have prospects, all teams do. I will guarantee you that Gardner won't be traded and they will make some type of trade w/ prospects.

These Gardner for Murphy trades are pipe dreams.