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Law: Mets have sixth-best farm system

The Mets have the sixth-best farm system in baseball, according to a recent list published by ESPN.com’s Keith Law.

“The turnaround in this system is remarkable, especially when you consider they have not had a top-10 pick since they took Matt Harvey in 2010, and it puts the Mets in excellent shape relative to the other four teams in their division,” says Law.

Law praised the decision to trade R.A. Dickey, Marlon Byrd and John Buck for prospects and the stockpiling of young arms, which he described as “one of the minor’s best collections.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

This is noteworthy, because the organization usually lingers in the middle of the pack. I have heard repeatedly this winter from people in baseball saying the Mets have one of the better groups of young pitching in all of baseball, but the lack of hitting weighs down the overall system. If that means dropping to sixth-best, I’ll take it…


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162 comments
Matthew Rapillo
Matthew Rapillo

For those that were bored and just researched the teams individually to see what they were ranked here's the full list:

1 Stros

2 twins

3 Pirates

4 Cubs

5 Red Sox

6 Mets

7 Royals

8 Rockies

9 Padres

10 Orioles

11 Dodgers

12 Cards

13 Rangers

14 Phillies

15 D-Backs

16 Reds

17 Indians

18 Nats

19 Marlins

20 Yankees

21 Mariners

22 Braves

23 Rays

24 Jays

25 Giants

26 A's

27 White Sox

28 Tigers

29 Angels 

30 Brewers

PS. I don't have an insider account 

Jim Yager
Jim Yager

Who Cares? YOu can have the number 1 rated farm system full of number 1 prospects, what does that mean..NOTHING AT ALL!! Look at the Yankees, they have no farm system at all, and, they win, with money and "real" MLB players. I am sick of hearing how great our farm system is and our awesome prospects, as, the METS stink up the field, yet again :} Time for action, I want to win some games, now, not in 2015 or 2016

Joseph Baffi
Joseph Baffi

its time to pckage 2 or 3 prospects and get a cargo kemp type player. everybody available except noah wheeler travis

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

This is a joke. I don't count TDA or Wheeler as prospects anymore since they play for the majors now. Thor and Montero will be very shortly. That leaves our best prospect as an 18 year old who never played higher than first along with a bunch of C+ guys who project as AAAA type guys or back up/platoon types. Think Captain Kirck/Lucas Duda types. Sure you throw in TDA, Wheeler, Thor, and Montero Mets look pretty damn good. I just don't think Mets will be anywhere near 6 by July.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

This is great news, but you still need to add offensive free agents and make trades for offense to go along with your studly pitching farm system.  Theres no way we can rely on our farm system for offense.  I Don't need all stars at every position but besides Grandy i need another big bat bc as of now i see questions marks at short catcher first and 2 outfield spots.  Obv your gonna go with TDA at catcher and prob Lageras in Center.  Im even ok with an open competition at first with the guys we have in house.  To me that leaves short and an outfield spot.  Go Get Drew and Cruz.  Not only does this improve our everyday lineup it improves our bench.  EY,CY,Tejeda, Flores or Satin, back up catcher.  


Btw any Mets fan that thinks Drew isn't a major upgrade over Tejeda needs to have his head examined and please don't give me WAR stats.  Drew will double Tejeda in runs scored, extra base hits, rbis, hit 8-10 more homers, play equal to better defense, bring championship experience and would prob be a better influence in the clubhouse. 



If your 1-5 was


Drew

Murph 

Wright 

Grandy

Cruz


now your talking, a real major league lineup, sprinkled with young players w upside and controllable salaries, to go along with could be a Potent pitching staff.


How any Mets fans wouldn't want that to be our 1-5 is beyond me.

mets2891
mets2891

Well, it's about time that a small market team had a small market farm system for once.

mets2891
mets2891

I was SHOCKED that Keith Law, who is notorious for killing NY teams, ranked the Mets this high.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

Anyone else have problems with their comments not posting on here?  I feel like it's so inconsistent from one day to the next.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

So if the lack of position prospects only held them back to sixth, where does that rank the farm system based solely on pitching? Top 3? First? I would think one of the best since there aren't any real position prospects outside of D'Arnaud, Smith, Flores, Nimmo, Herrera and Plawecki. They aren't bad prospects by any means, but that's not a particularly deep group, and only D'Arnaud and Smith are truly elite prospects. Pitching, on the other hand, has Syndergaard, Montero, DeGrom, Familia, Black, Walters, Leathersich, Fulmer, Ynoa, Flexen, Church, and a host of others. That's not even including the young pitching that's arrived, like Harvey, Wheeler, Mejia, and even Germen and Edgin. There's just so much there. You would imagine Synderggard and Montero pan out, but the team would need just 1/3 of the rest to pan out and they would have a stacked pitching staff for years to come.  

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

Wonder if we could do a pitching-for-hitting swap with the Cubs. Javier Baez would look great next to Wright.

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

I think it is awesome to know that we have the sixth best in baseball and are set up better in our division. However, with all of the great pitching and no offensive prospects and the unwillingness to trade from surplus or spend on hitters, where is our offense coming from? Are we going to have to wait it out another 3 or 4 years until we get a miracle from the minor leagues?

You would think since the Mets know they have a good minor league system that they would want to bring in a couple of hitters to complement the great young pitching we have. Having a great minor league system dominated by pitching does not make for a winning franchise if you do not have guys that can hit. Hoping every year that Tejada, Davis and Duda finally provide consistent offense is embarrassing.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

As bad as it looks at times with this team, this is what we can help sustain us for a decade.

Combine the farm system with some good FA picks and we're talking.

Kyle Fox
Kyle Fox

@Jim Yager That's terribly shortsighted.  The way we rose to prominence in the late 60's and 80's was strictly through having one the best farm systems in baseball and timely trades.  I understand this is a different time in baseball, but with teams locking up their star young players for longterm deals into their 30's, the importance of building through the farm system is as important as it's been in 30 years.  If you truly think the Yankees as they stand now are better positioned for the future than the Mets, then that's even more shortsighted and I feel for you.

cactus
cactus

@mets2891 he doesn't like high payroll teams.  the mets are not even close to one anymore.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@mets2891 I'm a big fan of Law but he's actually been very high on the Mets picks the last few years, from Nimmo to Dom Smith, etc.  Certainly not killing us just for being from the Big Apple.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Robby Johnson Yes, that has happened to me, it just hangs when you go to post.  Closing down the browser or restarting the computer will do the trick, unfortunately.

nwmets
nwmets

@Robby Johnson I hate the new comment system. I'm not 100% sure how it works, and the overall volume of comments has definitely dropped. So others must also be having issues with it.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@Zach Ripple I'm not sure where they'd rank based on just pitching, but I know it wouldn't be better than the Cardinals.

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

@Brian Daley Are you sure you understand how the business of baseball works? This is exactly how the Mets built those dominant teams of the 1980s.

ifti99
ifti99

@Brian Daley I don't know how long you have been a fan, but I still remember the Keith Hernandez trade in 1983. At the time, Hernandez, a multi-year all star, did not wish to go the last place Mets. Frank Cashen convinced him of all the talent in the minor leagues (i.e. Gooden, Darling, Strawberry). The Mets actually seriously contended in 1984 and 1985, and won it all in 1986. Not saying it will happen again, but who knows? You build from within. Once you have the pieces (and I think the mets are really close), you can go out and trade or buy the missing players. I think the nucleus we have now (especially in pitching) is the best I have ever seen from this organization.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Stanley Bostitch First of all, it looks like the Cubs are looking play Baez with Castro. There's some debate about whether he will need to move to 2b or 3b anyway. And with the Met's considering you have Murphy at 2b already, I would think the last thing they would want to do is trade for a SS like that. I'd much rather have a Lindor from Cleveland or a Russell from Oakland. But they will cost us a major pitching prospect

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

@Victor Triguero Where does this come from? "unwillingness to trade from surplus or spend on hitters"... Of course they plan to do that. Let things develop as they need to. The idea that they will not use their chips to trade is way off base. Just because we haven't seen this happen yet doesn't mean they will not do it, and very soon I bet.

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

@BringBackDaveTelghe agreed...but this team is not showing they want to spend. Grandy basically replaced Byrd and Young wont even get a full time job with rumors of giving Duda a chance to play in the outfield

cactus
cactus

@Kyle Fox@Jim Yager the mets cannot win with their payroll.  no team in the bottom half of MLB payroll entering the playoffs since the wild card began has ever won a world series.  met games are an exercise in futility for the foreseeable future, until either the Wilpons climb out of debt or sell the team.  


because of this, the yankees are FAR better positioned for the future.  the mets sitting on some young pitching waiting for them to flame out does not position a team better for the future.  this has been done tons of times by small market teams (like the mets clearly are now) in the last 20 years and not one of them has won a world series.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

Defense is an issue to a degree..missed that catch that could have given the Rangers a championship, but he is still adequate and can hit.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

Where have you been the last few years?  I had him on my Fantasy team and he was a rock...don't give me "he's awful" without looking at his statistics...this guy can hit and with power...

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@metzfan22 @Mike Dell Italia umm ok so your 5th hitter can be chris young or davis and mine will be Cruz.  25/80 in under 500 abs is horrible.   You jus made that up that he's awful hahaha.  If he's awful then chris young is a 4th outfielder on a high school team.  

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@nwmets Yeah I mean I'm not trying to be a troll or anything, but I get tons of "error" messages when I try to post.  Today I'm getting stuck with the loading icon whenever I click post and have to refresh.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@baseballnblues @Victor Triguero Amen.  And I think it's wise to wait and see how Harvey responds in his rehab before unloading too much pitching.

This franchise would be crippled if Harvey winds up a shell of himself and all the young pitching was gone.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Victor Triguero @BringBackDaveTelghe The whole thing with "Grandy replacing Byrd" really is old.  We got a fluke performance out of Byrd, we have to move on and not obsess over just one performance from 2013.

I'm down on ownership too, as should everyone, but if we get Drew, an RP and a bench guy I'm fine with it..

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@Richard Alicea exactly that guy jus made that up.  Cruz is a health risk he rarelys gets over 500 abs.  There were years he hit like 25 homers in 400 something abs

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@BringBackDaveTelghe Yeah I didn't really think about that.  In terms of "young pitching" I don't think anyone comes close to them, but I suppose their not considered prospects anymore.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@zoddie @Brian Daley @baseballnblues if we had harvey this year we wouldn't have gotten colon, so we would still have basically the same team, 2 questions marks in the outfield, short, first and catcher.  Mets need bats not pitching.  Harvery or no Harvey this team is at best an 80 win team and I'm being very very generous.  Need Bats.

zoddie
zoddie

@Brian Daley@baseballnbluesShort answer?  2015.  Would have been this year had Harvey not gone down.


That you find the Mets finally having a great farm system irrelevant is an odd stance to take for a fan.  Would you prefer the Mets not develop young talent and instead buy old, expensive free agents?

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@zoddie@Victor Triguero@BringBackDaveTelghe No, they shouldn't have done those moves unless they plan on raising the payroll to the $175M level in the next few years which I don't see coming.  Also, don't say they "spent" $90M this season...they didn't.  They spent, around $30M this year and the rest is for future seasons.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Robby Johnson @zoddie Yeah, SA wanted him but that money is crazy for him. But it sounds like STL was his first choice and where he wanted to go so we would have had to pay more than that to get him. 

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@zoddie I've been saying the same thing.  The only FA I feel like they "missed" on was Peralta for SS.  But then you consider that this guy went to the defending NL Champs for 4 and $53 million, which makes me wonder how much more a team like the Mets would have had to pay for him.  And I'm not really in favor of overpaying a 31 year old coming off a PED suspension.


BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@baseballnblues@BringBackDaveTelghe@Victor Triguero In any way?  Having Drew over Tejada gives us 3 or 4 more wins for the season.  You have a factual argument, it's just not based on any statistical fact.  Tejada has never been a good major league player, even when he came up.  He was average defensively, at his best, has zero power and very little skills at the plate and he can't stay healthy.  His OBP was a pure function of batting 8th.  There's very little to like here.  Drew is tremendous defensive shortstop, can hit righties well, and is a double digit HR guy and all he costs is money which is absolutely in the budget for this season.

baseballnblues
baseballnblues

@BringBackDaveTelghe@Victor Triguero Drew does not make this team better in any way. In fact, Tejada is a better option in my opinion. I'll take the young and talented kid who is fighting for his baseball life (as Tejada and Davis are) over an overpaid, mid-level talent that eats up capital, which can be used in the future for a better acquisition. I really don't like Drew at all.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Victor Triguero Completely agree. This team got the same from Hairston the year before. Who's to say Young can't do the same? Granderson should be significantly better than Byrd, who really only provided big-time production for about half the season. He didn't start really playing every day until nearly two months in, and he wasn't even with the team in September.