Juan Lagares gets jammed

Lagares traveled to DR to be with family, expected back tonight

Mets OF Juan Lagares traveled to the Dominican Republic late Sunday, while mourning the death of a family member, team officials told Adam Rubin (ESPN, May 19).

He is expected to be back with team in time for Tuesday’s game at Citi Field.

In case you missed it this past Friday, Terry Collins got a bit defensive with fans and media when questioned about Lagares’s playing time.

“He’s not been swinging good,” Collins said Friday, when asked why Lagares had been on the bench the previous three games. “We need his defense, but we have to score runs.”

Lagares had 12 hits in the 46 at bats (.286) prior to not starting before last week’s Subway Series. He was just 1-for-7 while playing off the bench. He returned to the starting lineup this past weekend and went 3-for-8 with a home run and four RBI.

“Maybe it’s just a coincidence that Lagares got three games away from the starting lineup immediately preceding reports of a death in his family. Or maybe Collins noticed that his young player was facing some pretty heavy stuff, and decided it’d be best for everyone if Lagares got a lighter load for a few days,” Ted Berg said Monday, in a post to For the Win (USA Today, May 20). “It’s unlikely we’ll ever really know, and it’s silly to speculate about the entire breadth of possibilities. But if a manager’s out to protect one of his players during a trying time in his personal life, it does not behoove him to say so. If Collins acknowledged that he sat Lagares to help him clear his head, he would have exposed Lagares to questioning and, most likely, criticism.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Ted makes a good point, as he usually does. I have no problem with Terry protecting his players. That’s fine. My recent and growing gripe with Collins has more to do with him being inconsistent and often contradictory with his lineup choices. If Ted’s first suggestion is accurate, and Collins felt Lagares was ‘facing some pretty heavy stuff,’ I would rather he tell me Lagares just needs a break, or ‘a blow,’ as they often say. But, when he tells reporters the Mets need offense and then sits one of his best hitters, that makes no sense. Similarly, Collins recently told reporters that shortstop Ruben Tejada is playing every day because he “looks like” the player he was a few years ago. Of course, Ruben has one hit in his last 14 at bats and is batting around .170 for the last month.

Collins is clearly getting frustrated with fans and media, which never plays well in New York. Collins doesn’t deserve to be fired. He’s a fine manager, especially for this team at this time. However, the better he frames and justifies his decisions, the better it will be for him and his players. The last thing he needs right now, at a time when the team is fighting to stay a float, is to let himself get cornered by reporters in to a fight with his team’s most passionate fans.




105 comments
monstah
monstah

Collins is not a "fine manager" he is awful - terrible instincts, terrible judgment when it comes to dealing with young players. He should be fired 

bruster
bruster

Welcome back Juan and sorry for your loss. Now can we please leave this guy in the line up ! Just ask Keith he'll tell ya.

Goorru®Mets
Goorru®Mets

So when a player is supposedly grieving  Terry Collins will bad mouth a player saying he's tearing up runways and swinging at bad pitches rather than telling the truth.  

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Everyone needs "a blow" once in a while... Although everyday would be nice...

D
D

Matthew Cerrone, YESTERDAY MORNING, in regards to Terry Collins:

"I’m at a loss. I officially have no idea what Collins is doing, because he’s doing the exact opposite of what he says he thinks he’s doing, all while saying things that are contradicted by every stat you can find.”

This weekend did nothing to give me confidence."


Matthew Cerrone, THIS MORNING, in regards to Terry Collins:

He’s a fine manager, especially for this team at this time.

Jordan Kopp
Jordan Kopp

All roads lead to Alderson. Alderson has made some pretty woeful choices like sign a 41 year old pitcher for 20 million. Giving a player the strikes out more the Dave Kingman 60 million over 4 years. Falling in love with Lucas Duda. Deciding it's better to take roster spots with player that are 40 years old rather then give a young player a real chance. The other day I put on SNY after the game a saw Bobby Valentine. Fred skill sets Wilpon loves Valetine. Fred Wilpon and his son Jeff are destroying the Mets!

Matt Drucker
Matt Drucker

Terry probably told him to get on the latest flight possible. He's gotta get EY, CY, and Grandy some at bats!

donw
donw

How does benching a kid player while publicly saying it's because "he's not swinging good", even though he has one of the highest averages on the team, serve to "protect" said player from some heavy family stuff?  To me, the way it was handled only served to humiliate a promising young player and insult a loyal, intelligent fan base that has demonstrated more than their share of patience for more than 3 years.

Doubleday
Doubleday

Who second guesses a WINNING manager?  You already know the answer.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

One manager in my time watching the Mets has ever "coached 'em up" to play above and beyond the talent level on the team (IMO)....1999 - Bobby V. 

TheJMan
TheJMan

it's like Obama -- if he was doing such a great job, his approvals wouldn't be underwater for a year -- and just because the opposition stinks too, doesn't mean Obama doesn't also stink

So how anyone can sit here and defend Collins -- look what's going on? is it made up? the thunder clouds surrounding him SIMPLY WOULD NOT EXIST if he was doing a good job.


he's not. it's clear. 

greekgod
greekgod

How do you sit a .300 hitter that catches every thing in sight??

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

I have seen a lot of people defend Collins by saying "he gets the players to play hard". I think that's a very misleading statement. Players play hard being the better stats you have the more money you will make. Its that plain, its that simple. Sure, a lot of managers do get the best out of their players, but what evidence do we have to say Collins does? This team visibly lacks fire with the exception of a few players. And if a player wasn't happy playing for him how would we know? only in very extreme cases does a player speak out against a manager and our veteran leadership on this team are not confrontational people. Earlier this year Travis d'arnaud was the lastest victim in a game where the home plate umpire had an abusive strike zone. I was waiting for Collins to step up and defend his rookie but instead our top 2 players got tossed out of the game doing what was right. I felt that moment said a lot about whats going on on the team. Im not saying Collins doesn't care, he high fives after nice plays and will slap your toosh if you homer, but that's the bare minimum, that's what's expected. But I tell you what, If im a young guy playing my butt off and im sitting on the bench because some guy hitting .190 is making 7 million dollars, I'm not happy, im not happy at all.

greekgod
greekgod

The  best managers in  baseball claim  that its the players that win games. Right now we don't have the players to win 90 games or better......

Mike Caravella
Mike Caravella

Did Cerrone just say that Collins is a fine manager? I guess when you grow up watching Torborg and Howe you don't ask for much. But to us older Met fans who have actually seen winning baseball and managers, Collins is an abomination. 

dukewillie
dukewillie

On a side note, how about giving Campbell a few starts against righties to see how he fares? Campbell can rake, and Duda isn't exactly tearing the cover off the ball. Campbell was a run producer in Vegas. So, let Campbell and Flores play the Dodger series and see what gives, since then Mets are starving for some offense.. Since the Mets love side shows and controversy anyway, let them open the "Competition for 1B" - part II, Campbell vs Duda.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

By the way...name me the manager out there now that is going to put up with the micromanaging that Sandy AND Jeff put TC through? If TC were to quit tomorrow (and he won't...ask Riggelman how that quitting mid-season thing works)..who do any of you think the Mets would get to helm this dumpster fire?  I don't know Wally any more than any of you, but I don't get the impression Wally is going to be ANYONE's lackey.  You don't like TC?  Wait til Hudgens is your interim manager..... 

robby
robby

Collins is not the problem it's this AAA team mixed in with old players that are washed up.  Tell the Wilpons to get Major league hitters.  We have the pitching all we need are major league hitters.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Given this team's history with travel and visa issues we might expect to see Juan sometime this weekend. As far as Collins is concerned this is still a sub-.500 team--even with the infusion of young arms on the horizon. Team fundamentals are poor and the lineups are haphazard and uninspired. The last thing they wanna do is pay the guy for another 18 months but he's already looking like a lame-duck manager. I eagerly await the 'vote-of-confidence' from Sandy--generally the proverbial kiss-of-death.

illnagas
illnagas

Someone please explain how Collins is a "fine" manager? I know the current roster isn't an all star team, but that shouldn't excuse him from criticism. He's managing a rebuilding franchise like every game is the seventh game of the World Series.

stage52
stage52

@kefhrny17 I think it was a baseball reference !  You can go back to watching your Porn now.  LOL

nwmets
nwmets

@D  I guess Matt's as confused as the rest of us!

skillsets
skillsets

Chief MetsBlog Spinner dizzy after a full Mets off day of spinning.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@doubleday  ROFLMAO...go ask Reds fans how they felt about Dusty last year...or dodger fans about Mattingly...or.....it's the one constant in sports...MOST fans, HATE their manager/coach

Bob G
Bob G

@Mike Caravella  Yet another questionable pro-regime post from Matt. I don't think Terry is totally to blame, after all he's only a few games below .500 with a barely AAA team but no need to go overboard unless someone is whispering in your ear.

TheJMan
TheJMan

@C.K. Dexter Haven  


ala Lagares [from a talent point of view, it's clearly the right call]


give the fans what they want


give them Wally


they wanted Willie and that worked out for a while -- until the team crapped the bed on that -- Willie was OK, not great, but a good guy

They didn't want Howe, they didn't want Manuel theY didn't Collins 

FREE WALLY

TheJMan
TheJMan

@C.K. Dexter Haven  


some levels you're right -- they are set up to fail -- I do think Wally is the man -- but that's not what matters


what matters is that this team is desperate to put asses in the seats and it's simply not going to do them any good to have the model for managerial mediocrity as the face of your team - especially when the cracks are showing

i'm not going to sit here and tell you Wally puts asses in the seats---there would be a bump-- but I will tell you the longer they keep Collins, the more and more interest in this organization wanes 

he is certainly not the cause of all of their problems--but he's right out in front and then makes moves and announcements that contradict reality..  he's gotta go

Marc Singleton
Marc Singleton

Collins is also a problem. It can be more than one thing.

kefhrny17
kefhrny17

Oh really? I didn't realize we were on a baseball blog, thanks. Since we're correcting each other, you don't have to captiolize the p in "porn".

Mike Caravella
Mike Caravella

@mets2death  Bobby V was the smartest by far. I got a chance to spend a couple of days with him when I was still playing at a baseball camp. I learned more about baseball from him in those couple of days than I did collectively the rest of my playing days. And he was still a player at the time. 


Davey was the best, always knowing the right button to push. The Mets pinch hitting average during his era might be the best of all time. In '86 we had 4 full platoons and it seemed like the right combo was on the field everyday.

TheJMan
TheJMan

@C.K. Dexter Haven  

I'm sorry--this should not happen on a team that's managed well:

this is a guy that has no plan -- and they shouldn't realize it a month and a half into the season

Wheeler:

“Obviously, guys are starting to figure me out a little bit and see what I have. I was thinking after I came out [against the Nationals], maybe I’m being a little bit predictable right now, you know, fastball on fastball counts and stuff like that. Maybe start thinking a little bit more, but not too much, obviously. Not trying to trick guys, but keep them off balance a little bit more.” 

TheJMan
TheJMan

@C.K. Dexter Haven @TheJMan  


give me a full season -- with this talent level -- of overachievement

20-23 right now .. with the starting pitching they got, is OK, but not "good"

i hated how he announces stuff and changes it within a day or two-- 1B, OF rotation, closer, SS  

he's not handled the pitching staff well since he's been here and he's not improved in that area -- right?


mistake prone teams indicate to me a manager that is not prepared--if you're not good talent-wise, you better be good in your execution

he goes by the book when it calls for his gut and then his gut when it calls for the book--ie: consistency .. and we have not seen that either



greekgod
greekgod

@TheJMan  Wally is a no sheez guy.......Wilpon would rule that out.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@TheJMan  I think you are right...just based on his ties to that '86 team should be worth a bump in attendance.  But, to actually start winning?  He'd have to coach as he is in Vegas...un-interfered with .  My opinion, but i simply don't think Sandy is going to go for that.  PLUS imagine a post game presser where Sandy doesn't control the message...and he absolutely won't with Wally.  Again, i just don't think Sandy is going for that.

greekgod
greekgod

@mets2death @C.K. Dexter Haven  TC calls the lineup every day NOT Sandyman.......unless its in his contract that Sandyman has to make the calls as far as lineups are concerned......highly unlikely.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@fatherflot  All due respect, but you don't REALLY  think Wally in VEGAS has the same directives and the same level of involvement/interruption from Sandy/Jeff as Terry does in Queens do you?  

mesmo
mesmo

Terry was supposed to be a "teacher" of fundamentals. We might not win all the time, but it wouldn't be from lack of fundamentals. So, I expected a few growing pains... But I don't see the fruits of Terry's efforts. I don't want to see Bobby Abreu and Bartolo Colon. We should not be in the business of extending the careers of veterans at the expense of valuable playing experience for our young players. If you want to catch lightning in a bottle, I would try Andrew Brown instead of Abreu.

Bob G
Bob G

@Mike Caravella  Regarding Davey, yes he was great, but look at the talent he had. Terry doesn't exactly have the same chance.

TheJMan
TheJMan

@C.K. Dexter Haven @TheJMan  

dude -- it's his team. if it was my team--- how do you let that go on? then he should step up and say, it's on me, the buck stops with me and it's unacceptable 

he's the manager and that's another instance where his regime is not sound.. not run well

you don't read that stuff about say, the Cardinals

being bad is one thing.. coupling that with dysfunction is not recipe for success and we've had both for 5+ years 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@TheJMan  well....that's more Warthen isn't it?  I mean, that's why they have a pitching coach, hitting coach, bench coach, bullpen coach, etc.  This is what i mean about managers getting too much of the credit and too much of the blame.  Buck stops with him sure, but....

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@TheJMan "mistake prone teams indicate to me a manager that is not prepared--if you're not good talent-wise, you better be good in your execution"


Best part of your post.  Spot on!  THIS i will absolutely put on TC.  The team he's been given, HAS to perform at its best ALL the time.  The overall talent level won't allow for lapses.  This team has too many lapses.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@greekgod  you think TC is making these call ups and send downs to AAA?  you think TC made the 500 AB arrangement with CYoung?  You think TC could actually sit Grandy down for any length of time?  

fatherflot
fatherflot

@C.K. Dexter Haven @fatherflot  Given how much of the Alderson plan depends upon the development of these prospects I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's almost as involved with LV, especially when it comes to Syndergaard, etc.