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Juan Lagares activated, Wilmer Flores sent to Triple-A

The Mets have called up Juan Lagares from his rehab assignment in Triple-A and will activate him from the disabled list on Thursday, the team announced Wednesday night.

In turn, they have optioned Wilmer Flores to Triple-A to make room for Lagares on the roster.

Flores had been hitting just .238 with a .256 OBP in 82 sporadic at bats since joining the team in early May.

Lagares has played in 42 games this year and had been on the DL twice, most recently for a right intercostal injury.

He’s batting .295 with 15 extra base hits and 18 RBI in 42 games with the Mets this year.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Flores just wasn’t playing enough – and, when he was playing consecutive days, he wasn’t hitting enough. Ruben Tejada may not be a better hitter, but he at least has been drawing walks, working counts and getting on base. So, if Tejada is Terry’s choice, Flores had to go to Triple-A to get regular at bats. At 22-years-old, and with his potential, it made no sense to have him sitting the bench.

In regards to the roster, this now means the Mets have six outfielders and no back-up shortstop, which a) is very confusing, and b) gives credence to Adam Rubin’s report that Chris Young was in jeopardy of being cut. The guy has three home runs in two days, so I’m sure that complicated what was probably already a difficult decision.




294 comments
eric88
eric88

Curious, CY hit half as many HRs in 2 days as Wright has all year, wow.

JoMama
JoMama

How in the world did the FO not see this coming? It's basic arithmetic - count how many SS's we have. Now count the number of OF's. Hello? As soon as Lagares was getting AB's in Vegas everyone BUT Sandy knew we'd be in this scenario. This club is run by a bunch of morons, starting with the Wilpon's. A useless organization that I can't stop rooting for.

donw
donw

A few points:

1.  There has to be another move here . . . 6 outfielders, no backup ss?

2.  Murphy's trade value will never be higher than right now.

3.  If we're really sticking with the TB-Oakland small market philosophy, get ready to lose Harvey in his prime - see David Price.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

This move is probably in the best interests of Wilmer Flores, who never quite looked comfortable with his limited role (and posted one of the worst OBP in the NL). And whoever could have foreseen Ruben Tejada having a better OBP than David Wright? Bottom line is the team really does not need six outfielders. Kirk would not have been sent down if CY didn't homer three times. Bobby Abreu can start (but is a liability in the field and cannot pinch-hit). It really is one helluva mess.

theglider
theglider

Hopefully this ends the debate for awhile and we can go back to watching baseball.

This should have been done weeks ago.

metjetnet
metjetnet

Good. 

As soon as TC announced Tejada as "his guy," they should have had Flores on the next flight to Vegas, instead of wasting away on the Queens bench.

He's a thoroughbred hitter, and needs to be on a track, any track, at this point to refine his skills. 

When it was balanced, OK. But as soon as TC settled on Reuben, it was SA's job to get Flores to a place he'll play everyday.

Olerud42
Olerud42

Ruben Tejada have been worth approximately 0 wins over the last year and a half. That's simply unacceptable for a starting SS.

joe21
joe21

I think that this is more about keeping Kirk up here; not really sure, other than he has had a little pop to start, but he would have been the logical choice to clear. maybe they are planning a minor move like moving Abreu and want to see if Kirk can stay as LH bat off the bench for outfield If there was nothing going on, it would have been Kirk. he was even expecting to go down when they asked him the other day, he said it was no big deal because he is less than 3, so he is probably more surprised than anyone

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

This move was a result of Rubin indicating that CY would be cut upon the activation of LAGARES, so SA to show him up shifted gears on him.  Three homers in 2 days is nice, but this guy will again go 3 for 30 again, and again, and again!  So stop fooling yourself; this 7.5 investment is not, has not and will not pan out...so accept the fact that you failed miserably in evaluating this signing MR. I KNOW HOW TO KEEP BUDGETS DOWN!

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Flores hit a grand slam when he had a chance. I guess he won't do that again.

fatherflot
fatherflot

At some point in the Pittsburgh series, Bobby Abreu will make his ML debut at SS."Just to get a veteran bat" in the lineup.

BadContract
BadContract

I wouldn't put it past Lagares and management if they are bringing him back up to early. He's young and wants to play, but if he is not past this strain, it could turn into cyclical trips to the DL. That's not good for anybody.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

Finally! While I'm not overly enthused that CY will continue to be on the team, I'll deal with it if it means they'll finally employ a logical approach to handling Flores. Now he'll get to play every day and hopefully either up his value for a trade, or earn a spot outright on the major league club.

hankypanky
hankypanky

It was the right move because Tejada is the better shortstop and Flores was wasting time sitting on the bench, plain and simple. Injecting CY into the argument makes no sense.

spelletrader
spelletrader

The funniest thing to me is that CY still hasn't shown that he can hit a fastball. He sure can drive a hanging breaking ball though.

ken1010
ken1010

Tejada is now hitting .234, with an ops+ of 89, above his lifetime average of 82.  That's well below league-average, even considering his supposedly good ob-base-percentage.  Tejada is slow, which limits his range.  That said, he does make the plays on the balls he gets to, and appears to have good fielding instincts.  

Flores hasn't done much in his 83 plate appearances this year, but he hit over .300 with 15 HR's in AAA last year, and over .300 in AA the year before that, when he was 20.  Flores deserves a longer look.  Note that Tejada last year didn't hit .300 during his 60 games in Vegas. 

Flores looks like the far better hitter.  Too bad we don't get to take advantage of that at the major league level this year.    Perhaps the Mets are trying to get him to rake in Las Vegas so he has more value in a trade.

gregf
gregf

I am displeased to see how the Mets handled Flores ... now there are 6 outfielders and no backup ss ... event the Mets are not that stupid to leave the roster that way, so it will interesting to see what transpires in the next day or so ...


And with Lagares back, my thoughts are he better damn well play CF ... if CY is hot, let him play left and shuffle EY around some ...

Dee White
Dee White

Sucks for Flores but glad Juan's back

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

This is the Mets on crack...


This is the Mets not on crack....


Ohhh, wow, they look exactly the same...weird.

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

This is beyond stupid!  How many consecutive days has Tejada played and has not hit.  Who cares if he works the count, or gets on base, he is the 8th hitter!  He needs to move people over because there is no one behind him to move him over.  Not to mention it is very clear to everyone that he is not the future at SS for the team, soooo why play him when you have a guy like Flores who possibly could be the future and is pretty close??? 


Of course a young hitter like Flores is not going to perform well with his sporadic play.  I try to justify the moves made by the Mets but this has just become ridiculous.  So a guy like Young plays in 80 games and is terrible in 70 of them, but hey his last 2 were really good so lets keep him!?  Kids in Kindergarten probably have better logic than that.  

Son of Harley
Son of Harley

The roster imbalance is not good, but optioning Flores was the right move. He has to play every day and it was obvious that it was not going to happen at this time. Tejada has been better at the plate since Flores came up from Vegas. In fact, he is third among Mets starters with a .348 OBP. There's no room for Flores on the big club right now. That could change soon, but for now he should be starting in AAA and getting regular ABs.

metstastic
metstastic

@donw And if you do lose Harvey, you still get 4-5 good years and a couple of bluechip prospects before he leaves and you rinse and repeat the cycle.

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@donw Who says Harvey will have a prime? He may be better-suited to be the Rags new mascot and Jeter's new procurer.

zoddie
zoddie

And if 2013 Tejada shows up instead of 2011 and 2012 Tejada, Wilmer will be promoted.

Curious why you think 2013 is Tejadas natural form and not this past month and 2011 and 2012?

Cheryl Ann
Cheryl Ann

@Kenneth Meltsner The way they have handled Flores from the beginning has been nothing short of a nightmare. Tejada's OBP is skewed by the fact that he bats in front of the pitcher and in addition to a number of IBBs, he's been "unintentionally intentionally walked a number of times". Wright needs to stop trying to make something out of nothing and go back to taking his walks. When Grandy was hitting .180 behind him, he was swinging at pitches that bounced in front of the plate.

6 outfielders - no back up shortstop? Let's pray that Tejada at least stays healthy because none of us want or need to see Wright at short for more than an inning..

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Olerud42 I mean, you can whine about it, but I don't care who plays shortstop, as long as we win games. Tejada is better defensively, and even if it's a marginal better, it's needed.

Charles Gustafson
Charles Gustafson

@BadContract If you are hitting .225 in A ball you aren't ready for Citi Field. Hope TC doesn't put a steal sign on for Tejada. There goes the hamstring and we watch a pitcher playing shortstop. Mets are looking like an Abbott and Costello routine.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@BadContract Good point.  The way he was handled before his DL trip was inexcusable.  You can't have a good that knows he is hurt, comes out, gets forced in the next day, comes back the day after that and then is out for a month.


This is one of those stories if anyone actually had journalistic integrity, we'd have heard something about.  Harvey's morning schedule is NOT news, this should have been.

Mex_17_for_HOF
Mex_17_for_HOF

@Steven Matregrano  Campbell is serviceable as a backup SS. He's played the position in the minors a very little bit. To tell you the truth, I think he could be a serviceable replacement at any position except catcher(he even pitched once - 0.00 ERA) and probably CF - not fast enough.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Steven Matregrano  If they thought Lagares wasn't ready then why wouldn't they just not call him up right now? It's not like they have to call him up today or something

ken1010
ken1010

@Steven Matregrano You are right that they should have given Lagares at least a full week of rehab games to get his timing back, so he performs at full capability when he arrives.  

dooley
dooley

@hankypanky As an isolated move, the decision to send Flores down seems cut and dry. But when placed in context, it does not make sense to carry all these OF's. It's like they traded the shortstop question for an OF question. However, I believe they will send someone down soon, and maybe cut someone in AAA (yes there is a logjam in OF there too)

archer41
archer41

@ken1010 Stephen Drew is hitting .122.  I'm frankly more worried about Wright's lack of power than Tejada right now.  

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@Chad Michael Actually no, Im sure young kids don't. It's always a "what have you done for me lately" mentality in this sport.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@Chad Michael I think the thing is that the Mets don't believe Flores is the future either because he can't handle SS defensively.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

@Chad Michael  I agree...never got the consistent play to get going.  Just hope he gets a chance with another team and comes back and haunts this team.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Son of Harley Tejeda has been been batting 8th a lot of the time, making opponents pitch around him to get to the pitcher. Its not a true obp given that half of those walks could have been achieved by a log standing in place. 

metstastic
metstastic

@Cheryl Ann @Kenneth Meltsner Leave Wright alone. He is heating up now.. The problem with him is that he is a very streaky hitter. He has been then and always will be. He will go for weeks of  batting .500 and then he will go for weeks of batting .150.

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@mets2death Uh...Flores is still in Vegas. It's not like he left the organization. Even if he is terrible in the 8 spot, his defense is serviceable. Regardless, this move is still curious. Why carry this many outfielders? Maybe they're trading for Chris Owings!!!....probably not.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Son of Harley @BringBackDaveTelghe @Zach Goeringer Ha, so naive.  Tejada's patient approach has yielded a .348 OBP.


Good on the surface.  He's been walked intentionally 7 times.  Take those out and his OBP falls to a meager .322.


The point you're failing to see is that nearly anyone in the 8 spot will accomplish this.  You get dopes like Sandberg in the other dugout that walk Tejada every time up.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

@Steven Matregrano @Zach Goeringer @Son of Harley "In fact, he is 3rd among Mets starters with a .348 obp." thats glorifying a stat that should be gone over with a fine tooth comb. You guys want to give Tejeda a pat on the back for doing basically nothing thats fine, but its the reason we havent had a real shortstop in 4 years. 

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Steven Matregrano @Zach Goeringer @Son of Harley @BringBackDaveTelghe Even the worst hitters in baseball (like Tejada, EYJ, etc) have still a thousand times more skills or athleticism, but let's be honest.  There's plenty of better players ready to take the jobs from these retreads.


Also, your lineup analysis is out of date and largely useless.  You're missing the most important point of a lineup...for each spot down in the lineup someone is moved, roughly once every 9 games you're going to lose an AB.


Take a look at this, great read.


beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/17/795946/optimizing-your-lineup-by