Kershaw signs mega-deal, could Harvey be in line for the same?

Andrew Vazzano, SNY.tv

The Dodgers have signed their ace, Clayton Kershaw, to a seven-year, $215 million deal.

USATSI_7486790_110579513_lowresKershaw, who has been one of – if not the best – pitchers in MLB, already has two Cy Young awards at age 25.

Over the summer, leading up to the All-Star Game, fans and media had been drawing comparisons between Kershaw and Matt Harvey. The two young guns were both qualified to make the start for the National League at Citi Field’s All-Star Game, with Harvey eventually being selected for the role, though it can be argued he only got the honor because he was in his home park. Heck, I even asked Kershaw about it at the media event and he handled the question (one he heard about 10,000 times) in quite the diplomatic way: deflecting the question and saying they both had great seasons.

Harvey has just one season under his belt, with 36 starts between 2012 and 2013, but has a sparkling 2.39 ERA and .985 career WHIP so far. Kershaw, of course, already had almost 200 games under his belt before signing his big deal, posting a 2.60 ERA and 1.092 WHIP. Obviously, Harvey will miss all of the 2014 season recovering from Tommy John surgery, which Kershaw hasn’t had to deal with.

But, just for the sake of argument, with the ink still drying on Kershaw’s deal, can we make any comparisons to what the Mets may go through with Harvey in the coming years?

Maggie Wiggin, Contributor

Harvey is incredible, but Kershaw has already been doing what Harvey did in 2013 for five years – and they’re the same age, plus Kershaw is a lefty. Harvey will make big bucks, maybe even crack $200 million if all goes his way from now until then, but he won’t touch the $30 million average annual value that Kershaw just locked up.

Andrew Wharton, Contributor

Not only is it incredibly difficult to dominate for five years the way Kershaw has, but age plays a factor whenever discussing big contracts for pitchers. Kershaw will have just turned 26 years old when he takes the hill on Opening Day this season. Harvey won’t see action again until 2015, at which point he’ll be 26 with just over 200 innings under his belt. Assuming Harvey continues to dominate, he’ll certainly sign a big contract before he turns 30, but a safer bet would be to predict a deal closer to what CC Sabathia received in ’08 (seven-years, $161 million), than this historic contract given to Kershaw.

Michael Baron, Contributor

Harvey has similar talent to Kershaw, but it’s pretty premature to consider such a contract for Harvey right now. He has about one full year of experience and is a year away from pitching in a major league game again. As much as I want him to be what he was in 2013, there’s no telling whether or not he can repeat what he has done at that time. That’s not designed to be a knock on Harvey, but he has a long way to go for this. He has to prove his worth, and prove it over a similar stretch of time before he can be considered for this kind of deal.




87 comments
SomeHighSchoolKid
SomeHighSchoolKid

If you think the Wilpons are giving a guy $215 million than you're higher than a kite.

Dan Asnis
Dan Asnis

Harvey's agent is $cott Bora$ if Harvey returns in 2015 as good or better Bora$ will want to blow the Kershaw out of the water.

John Mallios
John Mallios

For everyone on here talking about the Mets not signing Harvey if he successfully returns, please get serious. If he returns and pitches like an All Star starter or Cy a Young candidate over 2 years, you can bet Yankee Stafium that he would get Kershaw money from the Mets. That will happen for the exact same reason Wright was given the deal he was given. Reyes didn't get it because he wasn't regarded by ownership the way Wright was.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

i think with Boras as his agent it's a perhaps possibility to get that much annually,  but due to his age, the TJ surgery, and short time spent on the ML roster, i gave a solid "no way he gets that much" vote...

he'll have to prove he's recovered from a major injury/surgery, then solidify his spot in the Cy Young voting again, before we start thinking about a mega-extension, which probably wont happen anyway because of the aforementioned Boras factor. Add in that he probably will be closer to 30 when its time to get paid like an ace, and i dont see him getting anywhere near 30 mil a season. 


That being said if harvey comes back in his first year from surgery and doesnt miss a beat, putitng up dominating, all star game-starter numbers, i'd love for the Mets to discuss extension right then and there. A 7 year deal starting in 2016 would put harvey in blue and orange until he's 34/35, at which time he may have already started his decline. If we can lock him up for a nice pay day, but nothing EXTRAORDINARY like he might get in free agency, while locking up his prime years, it's a win-win for both parties. 

heatcoach
heatcoach

This is an apples and oranges comparison.  Not Matt Harvey and Clayton Kershaw, but the Wilpons versus the Dodgers management.  Whereas Magic Johnson and Stan Kasten have the funds, the knowledge, and the gravitas to take this sort of long-term risk in a well-thought out, intelligent manner, the Wilpons never have and never will.  The Santana deal has scarred them and Fred and Jeff won't ever go past 5 years again.  Getting burned on bad contracts and the Madoff fiasco appear to have permanently put them on third tier of owners willing to invest over a significant period of time.  David Wright may be their last venture of this nature.

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

"Kershaw signs mega-deal, could Harvey be in line for the same?"

Yeah sure. He's pitched in 36 games and had his arm fall off. So, yeah he's in line to get as much as a guy with 2 Cy Young's and a 2nd place finish in another year.

I love Harvey and his POTENTIAL, but come on Kershaw has ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

Richard Alicea
Richard Alicea

Harvey is not in the same league as Kershaw...just doesn't have the resume; now when he comes back and produces similar statistics, then maybe we can talk 160-190 mil.  Kershaw is unique as is Harvey, but Kershaw is clearly more superior than Harvey at this time.

cver
cver

I can see a desire, in the slow news season, to get into this, but this is getting way ahead of ourselves.  If Harvey can put together 3 or 4 full seasons like the two half-seasons he put up, then we can have this discussion.  Talk about jinxing things, especially when we take into account Met luck.  The last time we heard about 200 million dollar contracts was from Harvey, which was stupid, and we see how long he lasted after that.  Not saying this post is stupid, because I can see how tempting it is to write about this stuff, but please - I think it kind of cheapens what Kershaw has done so far and what we hope that Harvey will do.  In other words, a player needs to earn being put into the category that Kershaw is in and Harvey hasn't yet.  But wow - he sure did dominate.  Baby steps though - let's hope he makes a full recovery - that's where we're at now.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

One other point not mentioned here, is there is a very good chance we're going to see another wave of salary increases across the sport where $30M isn't as much as it is now.  May be a few years away but I can definitely see how this can turn.

TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

Lets see how many World Series titles they will win in the next seven years.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

I was waiting for this post to come.  Kershaw has started 182 games in his career and Harvey has thrown a paltry 36. 

To put it in context, Harvey would have to throw 32 starts a year for 4 and a half years (plus his missing year) to get to that level.  It's high unlikely and an issue that is so far away.

Maury Feldman
Maury Feldman

No way to speculate until he gets back from Tommy John Surgery.  

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

Harvey may sign a mega deal like Kershaw, but it may not be with the Mets. Sad.

mets2891
mets2891

I've taken a million hits from this crappy franchise, but if they ever gave Harvey the Jose Reyes treatment, I think that would be the final straw.

eric88
eric88

This conversation is silly. The man is hurt, and has no experience or Cy Youngs. This is for way down the road.

Meanwhile, about the wonderful season ahead of us, this is the first time in MLB History where an opening day lineup has one player under .200 BA the previous year when accompanied by Two others under.210, and yet another under .225,and still another under .245. Of course this didn't include the pitcher or Duda .235  or E Young .245. for that matter.

However, in some other news, they resigned the Hitting Coach.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

I love Harvey but let's see him make it through an entire season first. Seven years is also a long time, even for a young guy like Kershaw. I know they insure these guys to the hilt but that's still a pretty big gamble. Still burns me up that we were forced to endure Miguel Batista for the first half of 2012 instead of getting to watch Harvey. And I have it on good authority that the supermodel is just a beard. He's really been seen canoodling with Mrs. Met.

metstastic
metstastic

It is way too early to be even talk about this. I say lock him up to a Moore type deal if at all possible.

bromancer
bromancer

I say, "stupid question".  Magic 8-ball says, "probably not".

rf04
rf04

Non issue.

Let's just hope Harvey sees that contract and decides he wants one of those for himself. And Wheeler. And Syndergaard. And Montero. There's a budget problem I'd embrace.

mets2891
mets2891

I think one of those options should be "No way he gets that much from the Mets."

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Let's see him come back strong and then talk about this.Plus, we have until 2019 before he's eligible to be a FA and he'll be 30 years old, so, not likely. I don't see the Mets paying more than they have to for a player under team control, no matter how good he is. Why should they? If anything, they should try to buy out his arb years and it won't come near to Kershaw's rate.


The Dodgers are in a  position to still enjoy Kershaw's younger prime - for them, it makes sense. For the Mets, they have to consider buying out a pitcher's later prime and early decline in the post-PED era. Not likely to yield a $200M contract.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

If he does it surely won't be from the Mets. Might as well enjoy Harvey before he leaves for the Yankees or Dodgers

chasesimms
chasesimms

I just want to see Harvey pitch like he did and STAY HEALTHY before I put any thought into what kind of contract he deserves.

Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

If he comes back as strong as he was pre-injury, he's looking at a 20-25 million dollar per year, long-term contract. It's just not going to come from the Mets.

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

Straight answer is no. I saw an exchange the other day between Harvey and a Yankee fan on Twitter. I agree with this fan. Harvey seems full of himself. Starting with his stupidity with the Dan Patrick Show. He is a guy with the potential for greatness. He is NOT yet great. 12 wins and Supermodels. Gimme a break. I know that today's athletes are full of themselves and short on humility, but this kid is a bit much. I'm a long suffering Met Fan (since 1962). But I have to be objective. We have been to four World Series in their tenure. But, even though I am excited for him to reach his potential, I see that a guy with such a dim brain may not have the metal makeup to be great.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Kershaw showed his mettle. Harvey had a great few months. Premature.

Derpy
Derpy

Harvey will probably get paid more, but only because of baseball inflation.

Colin Kelly
Colin Kelly

are you really comparing Harvery's career so far to Kershaw's? Let him get through a full season before we do that.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Harvey has not thrown a pitch yet after his TJ surgery and here we are talking about him getting 200M on his next deal. 

nolrog
nolrog

What a stupid premise.  Kershaw already has 2 Cy Young awards, and as we all know, "Matt Harvey will never win a Cy Young".  Kershaw has also been dominant for a few years now.  Is Harvey in line for the same? 

bigdirty
bigdirty

why dont we wait until matt harvey actually makes 35 starts in 1 complete 162 game season before we give him $200 million.  Kershaw will actually have finished 1 year of his contract before harvey even takes the mound! It has defintely gotten  a lot easier to return back to form from tommy john surgery but lets jsut make sure that it happens. 


Lets stop talking about harvey until the end of 2014. Thats when it will matter again.

Steve Catalano
Steve Catalano

Seriously??? He pitched 1 year?? And as a result had TJS? And you want to give him over 215 mill???

theglider5
theglider5

Let's say Harvey pitches as well as Kershaw does when his contract is up, do you really think that the Mets will pony up that kind of cash?


I don't. This is the same team that had sticker shock for the contract of Peralta, etc


If the Mets lose Harvey, you can bet on one thing : They will bad mouth Harvey as soon as he leaves

John Pentony Jr
John Pentony Jr

Um,Harvey is injured who knows what his future holds,hopefully bright.

Metsnow
Metsnow

Much much too early to compare what Harvey did in 1 year vs what Kershaw has done in 5 years. In addition we need to see how Harvey overcomes his surgery this year and if he indeed rebounds to be the same player after being out of baseball for a full season. I hope he does.....he sure is a special player!!

Frank Garza
Frank Garza

He won't get it from the Mets though.

nagel100
nagel100

I think Harvey will be Harvey in 2015.  every player is different but this kid works hard and 18 months is more than enough time to recover.  often TJ surgery makes the arm stronger not weaker.


he should be one of our aces in 2015.  the only way the fan base returns is if we put a winning team out there.  2015 could be that year  due to Harvey, Wheeler and Noah.

mets2891
mets2891

@metstastic You're asking this from an ownership group that wouldn't even offer Jose Reyes enough for a piece of Bazooka Joe.

metstastic
metstastic

@Eddie RennerWhat does his personal life have to do with the contract that he will receive based on his baseball performance?

Adam Solomon
Adam Solomon

@Eddie Renner Wait, so you're saying that when given the chance to date a supermodel, his response should have been "sorry babe, I haven't got enough wins yet."

Really?!?!