Juan Lagares 4 (Baron)

Juan Lagares saving runs with his arm

Mets OF Juan Lagares had 12 outfield-arm runs saved in 2013, second behind OF Gerardo Parra (Dewan, Jan. 10).

“His lofty total was supported by his 12 kills — runners thrown out without the assist of a relay man,” Dewan writes about Lagares. “That is the sixth-highest total in the last five seasons. He trailed Parra’s 15 kills last season, but Lagares joined Adam Jones — who had 10 kills in 2010 and 13 kills in 2011 — as one of only two center fielders to exceed eight kills in a season since 2009.”

According to FanGraphs, Lagares saved 28 runs overall in 2013, third most behind Parra and Carlos Gomez among outfielders.

Michael Baron, Contributor

Perhaps what’s most impressive about the runs Lagares saved – whether with his arm, glove or both – is he was able to do it in fewer innings than many of the other players listed. He is an incredibly talented defensive player, and he’s a lot of fun to watch chase after balls and throw runners out all over the diamond. The question is: Will Lagares hit in the big leagues? He swung at 35.4 percent of pitches outside the strike zone last year and drew only 20 walks in nearly 400 plate appearances. That’s just not going to get it done. He has to improve in 2014.

During the holiday party last month, Daniel Murphy made an interesting point about plate discipline: he said taking pitches is not just about getting on-base, but also getting into advantageous counts so he can get better pitchers to attack. He’s right, and that can apply to Lagares. If Juan can remain more patient on balls outside the strike zone (both in early and deep counts), he can attack more hittable pitches and become a more well-rounded player.


Read more: Cannon arms in 2013 (Dewan, Acta Sports)

44 comments
mets4lyfe
mets4lyfe

Murphy should learn about plate discipline too, no? I've noticed Murphy fancies himself as a hitting savant, but he's just a ML average hitter when you look at the numbers.

TurkWendell4Life
TurkWendell4Life

If Juan can give us the D day in and day out, esp. when we need it the most in big situations, then I think we all will be satisfied.  

Joe Wenzel
Joe Wenzel

John Milner never swung at the first pitch and I mean never EXCEPT when it was bases loaded.  Then he always swung at the first pitch (he had 3 grand slams one season) because he knew the pitcher didn't want to get behind.  And he knew that the book on him was he never swung at the first pitch.  Running up the pitcher's pitch count is fine, but taking pitches just for the sake of taking pitches and not paying attention to the situation at hand is asinine.

BigAl831
BigAl831

I hope Metsblog understands how many fans they are losing because their lack of effort.  Metsmerized is way a head of you in every way.  And they don't get paid.  

Mark Rakentine
Mark Rakentine

....and giving many more back with his terrible offense. Sorry, but it is true.

zoddie
zoddie

I'm not sure Daniel Murphy's the one to talk about plate discipline.  Murphy's pitchers per plate appearance has gone down every year since he was a rookie and his BB% just hit a career low - 4.6%.  Which is *terrible.*

Brad Houser
Brad Houser

I'd rather him save 5 less runs defensively and drive in 20 more runs with his bat.

chasesimms
chasesimms

"During the holiday party last month, Daniel Murphy made an interesting point about plate discipline. He said taking pitches is not so much about simply getting on-base as it is about getting into advantageous counts so to get better pitchers to attack. He’s right..."

Haaa!!  This read like an Onion article.  Too funny! My 9 year old son knows this.  "Murphy made an interesting point."   Oh man.....you can't make this stuff up! 

I cannot believe Baron gets paid to do this!

Phil Mancini
Phil Mancini

A good ball club can get away with flanking a light hitting center fielder if they are getting solid production from the corners. Anyone who thinks Young and Granderson will provide that is dreaming. 

eric88
eric88

Legares has got to hit or sit. The Mets already have a bunch of .200 and below hitters and cannot carry defense over offense at any position. That said, what's the alternative on this payroll starved team. The other guy hit .200 last year so what the heck are we talking about. We suck plan and simple.

hashburry
hashburry

Did Murphy come up with that philosophy all by himself?  I hear he also invented the Interweb.

nolrog
nolrog

This was interesting when I read it on Mets MO yesterday. 

dabo
dabo

I hope the Mets don't underrate defense.  

drmetfan
drmetfan

Lagares had a very good rookie season. He came out of no where and proved he belongs in the bigs. His offensive approach sure needs to get better but heck, not every minor leaguer comes to the bigs ready to succeed against big league pitchers. In the DWL Lagares shined and was a doubles hitting machine. He was taking the ball the other way, finding the gap much like he did last year with the Mets. He will see a lot of bench time this year though. EYJ will play LF and Lagares will have to share CF with CY. Only if Murphy is traded which I doubt will Lagares play CF everyday as EYJ would shift to 2nd base. 

josey
josey

"During the holiday party last month, Daniel Murphy made an interesting point about plate discipline. He said taking pitches is not so much about simply getting on-base as it is about getting into advantageous counts so to get better PITCHERS to attack."

Hey Baron once please just once proof read your shyte I am not a grammar or spelling police guy but you are the worst blogger at spelling and punctuation I have ever seen in my life. It is almost comical at this point for as long as you have been at Metsblog and you haven't improved not one iota since the day you got here . Now i'm going to work on my pitch recognition and selectivity so I can also get better PITCHERS to attack .


What is really sad is that this is one of your better efforts to me it is a fact of not giving a crap because the amazingly large volume of errors you make on a daily basis is the work of someone that doesn't care.

Joe Kurioo
Joe Kurioo

Who cares about all this Terry's dumba$$ is not going to play him 

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

Guys like Lagares are valuable based on those around him.  His defense is so good is outweighs his poor offense but my problem is the Mets signed two other outfielders that don't necessarily complement Lagares' offense.  Granderson and Young both strike out a ton as does Lagares.  I'm really not trying to say that having Granderson and Young in the Mets outfield is a bad thing.  But it really is all about the combination of players you have.  It is okay to have one outfielder with a poor OBP as long as at least one of the other two is the opposite.  I'm not sure the Mets accomplished this by signing Granderson and Young.

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

This kid has to play. I do think he can be a decent hitter with more MLB experience. You can't expect him to be a stud or judge him on 300 AB.

tommets
tommets

.342/.379/.412, 17 R, 5 Doubles, 1 HR, 16 RBI, 5 SB in the DWL. Even though it isn't all MLB talent it's still pretty impressive. He also had very few strikeouts. I'm excited to see him this season.

A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

This kid has such a good future..I hope the mets don't squander his talent.

Keane
Keane

I don't care what the defensive stats say because they're notoriously unreliable: he had a .633 OPS last year, and his career minor league OPS is .727. He'll be 25 this season. If you're hoping for him to magically turn things around and actually be a major league player next year, you're crazy. Yes, his defense is fantastic. But, his offense is replacement level at best.

Wayno
Wayno

Collins will start EY jr at center everyday till mid-july when we are 12 games out.

Sammy Galvan
Sammy Galvan

Wasn't he a rookie did that overhyped catcher hit no I respect your writing Michael but sometimes you forget to give these rookies time not everyone is born a superstar.

tommets
tommets

He showed big improvements in the DWL and I hope it carries over into the season. If it does I'd like to see him as our leadoff guy. He can do very big things for this team and could be a cornerstone. I love his defense and hope he's our starting CF.

Chris DiSano
Chris DiSano

I will say this much: I admit I thought there was no chance this kid would be a major leaguer when he came up and struggled. I was dead wrong and now, he's one of my favorite players to watch. He MUST start in CF and play nearly every day to develop. If he does...we will have a stud CF in 2015.

Joe Wenzel
Joe Wenzel

Agree it seems to me they read that first than basically write about the same subjects here.  This article being a case in point.

chasesimms
chasesimms

@eric88 The problem with that is, once you sit Lagares, who plays?  Someone else who cannot hit.   The Mets will need to have the best overall pitching staff in all of baseball to stand a chance this season.  That's the reality of the situation.

josey
josey

@eric88  

"The other guy hit .200 last year so what the heck are we talking about."


Did we really need to spend 7.5 mil on another .200 hitter ? And before anyone starts telling me about a rebound tell me about a Tejada rebound first he sucked last year and everyone wants his head on a platter . Young hasn't shown up for work in three or four years but Richie signed him so he has a chance to recapture his youth Tejada at 24 is a lost cause ? Last time I looked Tejada was better much more recently than Young in fact the last time Young played well Tejada was a teenager.

The Feels
The Feels

@josey Oh my god, shut up. Nobody cares. It's a typo. Get a life. 

oleosmirf
oleosmirf

@tommets Jordany Valdespin put up even better numbers last winter and in ST too, yet he flopped at the MLB level.


Ultimately Lagares has to hit and last season his bat, for the most part, was god awful

zoddie
zoddie

@KeaneReplacement level offense and elite defense in CF = a major league player.  And a quite useful one, at that, especially when he's making no money.

Jon Forsyth
Jon Forsyth

He's still young in terms of MLB service time and that matters. Not saying he will turn in to Carlos Gomez but even a marginal upgrade in his hitting makes his vastly better then EY JR in my eyes

josey
josey

@The Feels@josey 

The Feels , what is that pedophile code or are you just a championship pocket pool player . How many away games do you play a month ?

nolrog
nolrog

@The Feels Right you are.  I mean, it's not like these guys are professionals and make their living at this or anything. 

drmetfan
drmetfan

@oleosmirf @tommets Valdespin is a totally different case. He is a different hitter than Lagares. Spin would always shoot for the fences while Lags is more of a doubles hitter. 

oleosmirf
oleosmirf

@Jon Forsyth Carlos Gomez was a top 100 prospect, Lagares has never even been a Mets top 10 prospect.

Sammy Galvan
Sammy Galvan

Come on really its a post grammar the reason why we haven't made it to the playoffs since 06..............

BigAl831
BigAl831

@John McNamara @BigAl831 Wow.  quite the athletic family!  Best of luck on everything and I'm sure I'll see ya around here.


ps.  Seriously check out mesmerized.  The commenting system is much better than this one.  Cheers!

BigAl831
BigAl831

@John McNamara @BigAl831 Pretty good man.  Just finished college, entering the world of adult hood.  Super exciting.  Could never find a real substitute for netsports.   I come on here less and less too.  I find that Metsmerized does a better job all around.  The new posting system here isn't for me.   But how are you man?  Still waiting for these Mets to make a run.