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Valverde loses closer role, Farnsworth takes over

Jose Valverde gave up a three-run home run to Justin Upton in the ninth inning Saturday. Terry Collins later admitted to media that he is considering replacing Valverde as the team’s closer.


Update 10:15 p.m.: Kyle Farnsworth will close for the Mets for the time being, Collins announced.

Valverde has allowed four home runs in his last three appearances.

“When we’ve talked to people about him and what he does they say when he’s locating his fastball he gets a lot of outs,” explained Collins. “Right now, he’s leaving balls on the plate and he’s getting hit.’’

Valverde took over at closer when Bobby Parnell ended his season needing Tommy John surgery in early April.




206 comments
Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Damn, about a month BEFORE I predicted. The guy had two (2) decent outings and then returned to form (with a vengeance). Hey Sandy, there's a REASON he was so cheap. How many people could have seen this coming? How about all of us?

chasesimms
chasesimms

Haaaa!!  We.  Are.  in.  Trouble.  

Artur Davidov
Artur Davidov

They replaced  Valverde with crap Farnsworth! Crap for Crap!!!!!! This team is sad!!!

groundhog
groundhog

COLLINS SUCKS and so does his buddy Tejada.

hashburry
hashburry

Conga line of has beens.  There has never been any kind of plan in place, regardless of the constant stream of spin from Alderson and his minions.  This team is nowhere, again.

GhostofCasey
GhostofCasey

The team saved$3.5 Million by dumping Ike.  Instead of pocketing the money or using it to cover more Bernie Madoff debt, can the organization redirect the  money toward a reliever?  We just watched a good former Pirate throw this week.  Plus, there are others.  Can we spend the money on what we need to be competitive? 

tonytbird
tonytbird

They have to just release Valverde-should not be on team-4 home runs in last 3 games-another nice job gm did with the bullpen

John Schod
John Schod

Where is LaTroy Hawkins when you need him?


They could have spent the money on Valverde and Farnsworth and kept a proven commodity!

Shawn Wile
Shawn Wile

In Colorado, where he won't be helping US anytime soon, sadly.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

From one washed up former closer to the next washed up former closer; nothing ever changes with Collins. If I am Germen I'm thinking to myself, "Exactly what do I have to do to secure a prominent role in this bullpen!?"

On the bright side, Farnsworth should be a step up in quality from Valverde, although that's not saying much. I still wouldn't expect him to be successful in the role, but unlike Valverde, maybe, just maybe does he have a chance to be successful. But I doubt it. The stuff just isn't there anymore, a nice few opening weeks aside. He, like Valverde, will come crashing down sooner rather than later, and people will once again blame the front office for Terry's continued mistakes. I know he doesn't have a lot to work with at this point, but Germen's gotta be my guy in the 9th, no question. HIs stuff and the numbers, everything points to that.

lindro88
lindro88

I have been really patient with Terry Collins. I've avoided blaming him for having a bad roster to manage. Last night he finally got to me. Letting Tejada hit in the 8th inning was really inexcusable. Tejada isn't some top prospect we need to let build his confidence. He's not TDA, who actually came through with a big hit. I have no idea what Brown, Recker, Satin or even Q would have done, but I'd have been fine with it.

jlga
jlga

This what happens when your bullpen is filled with junk. Why does anyone think next year will be any different? Matt Harvey? He'll need to pitch a complete game every time out and even then they'll lose 1-0. And when Harvey can leave he will. Why stay for a loser when another team will pay more?

TheJMan
TheJMan

Take out the Gas Can and bring in the Kerosene

Scott Ross
Scott Ross

I have a challenge for MetsBlog.  Why don't you investigate why this organization has no money.  Post an article a day about it.   Give some perspective to the matter.  Call these loser owners out.  Do it daily.  


We have Kyle Farnsworth as the Mets closer in April.    Think about it. 

iamwilpon
iamwilpon

We should have seen this coming when Valverde was singlehandedly destroying Detroit's postseason hopes years ago.

vince1234
vince1234

Bring up syndeguard insert him as closer

Derek Lloyd
Derek Lloyd

Concise, detailed, and eloquent. It's comments like this that elevates the discourse on this site.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@John Schod  And so could have the other 28 teams in baseball. Questions like these are so pointless and impossible to answer. Maybe he didn't like playing for the Mets. Maybe he didn't like the players on the team. Maybe he didn't like the manager. Maybe he wanted to go out west. Maybe the Mets were cheap and didn't offer enough money. Maybe his family did not like New York. The bottom line is, nobody knows.

Yes, it would have been wise for the Mets to have attempted to resign Hawkins, but it's all speculation as to whether or not there was mutual interest and of course, hindsight is 20-20. For a guy who strikes out as few batters as he does and relies so heavily on his fastball, his future success is not guaranteed.

To be clear, I'm not giving a total pass on this FO for having put together this shoddy bullpen. What I'm saying is, commenting on individual player decisions is fruitless.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Do you think there's any level of discord here where TC or even Sandy say...we have to use Tejada on a shoestring budget...then we'll use him when his spot comes up.

rico
rico

He is a starter, what are you talking about?

hashburry
hashburry

@Scott Ross  That'll change things!  A blog run by a bunch of guys who couldn't get an A in HS English who are owned by the TV station owned by the team.  Everyone knows their are financial limitations on payroll.

hashburry
hashburry

@iamwilpon  Yeah, but Terry spoke to some people, and they told him that when Valverde locates, and throws 97 instead of 92 and has his splitter working, he can get people out.  It's just that he can't do any of those things anymore.

lindro88
lindro88

They took a shot. It hasn't destroyed the season. They'll end up trying several others until someone shows they can do the job.

John Schod
John Schod

@Peter Ramirez @John Schod You are misunderstanding my point....I thoroughly enjoyed Marlon Byrd's play with the Mets.  What I am saying is that when he was originally signed with them, he was an inexpensive, low risk option that happened to work out very well.


This reinforces the notion that you can find other players of similar ilk that will have the same results....which happens very infrequently.


You need talent to win!

John Schod
John Schod

@Bob Higgins @John Schod There is a reasonable nucleus on this team that can be built around. I just don't understand the thinking of alienating your fan base; going to a radio station (for a couple extra million) that I cannot even hear; and riding this fence post between rebuilding and trying to resurrect these over-the-hill players. Bobby Abreu next.


As I've mentioned many times on this blog, the worst thing that ever happened was Marlon Byrd being an all-star caliber player that they took from the scrap heap....perpetuates the notion that management is smart enough to know which older, cheaper players are salvageable.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@Olerud42 @Peter Ramirez  Mets bullpen, by ERA:

Farnsworth: 1.23
Torres: 1.86
Germen: 4.09
Valverde: 5.40 (3 unearned runs)
Familia: 5.87
Rice: 10.80

Not great to be sure, but let's cut the dramatics here. 3 guys have been good to great, 3 have been bad. Part of the reason this bullpen has looked so poorly early on is because of Terry's continued usage of the bottom half of that group, specifically Valverde and Familia. Say what you want about Rice, but he actually held lefties to a low batting average last season, albeit with not the greatest control. But despite his nobody status, it's possible he can continue to be effective if used correctly. 

Valverde should have been pitching mop up duty all along, so given that fact and Rice's likely rebound, this bullpen isn't half as awful as people make it sound. As I've been saying all along, it's on Collins (for the most part anyway). He was the one who continued to use Valverde in tight games after each implosion. He was the one who couldn't see from the very beginning that his stuff wasn't there and that he should never have been closing in the first place. He was the one who let Familia stay in for a 3RD INNING only to watch him finally prove human. He was the one who so often last year let Rice pitch against righties even though the numbers clearly indicate he is only a lefty specialist. Do I need to continue?

Look, our bullpen isn't very good, I get it. But with proper managing it has a chance to be a mediocre bullpen rather than an awful bullpen. While I do agree that it is the FO's responsibility to have put together a quality bullpen, if there's one thing I hate more, it's whiny melodramatics. 

jlga
jlga

No one has done the job for years. Why do you think this year is any different?

lindro88
lindro88

Even I'll agree with you on that. I'm ok with taking a young potential starter and giving them a bullpen spot, but not the teams top overall prospect.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@John Schod @Peter Ramirez  This is true. If the Wilpons do not invest heavily next offseason, even my patience will have run its course. There will be no excuse in not supporting a team that is presently ready to win.

John Schod
John Schod

@Peter Ramirez @John Schod Mets fans are incredibly loyal. One year of success can be followed by several years of disaster and we all stick around.


The new cycle is now, Nonetheless, we need to add $50m of proven players to those worth retaining and the "young'uns."


I am tired of the Mets fan being the alpine ski jumper on the old Wide World Of Sports opening.


We deserve better!

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@John Schod @Peter Ramirez  Of course, I can't argue with that. And there were a number of superior bullpen arms out on the market, at least one or two of which we should have been able to procure. I honestly never thought of the Byrd situation in that light, but you make a valid point. I certainly hope that isn't the case, but the alternative would be that the Wilpons continue to be cheap, and either reality is not a good one.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

@John Schod @Bob HigginsSpot-on! I think Byrd was the exception that proves the rule. Does anybody really want to see Bobby Abreu up here? We have enough pitching stockpiled in the minors to land a semi-decent SS. That being said, I fully expect Sandy to sign a deal for Jimmy Rollins (or Roy McMillan) in the coming months.

hashburry
hashburry

@John Schod I think you may be overstating the case on Byrd.  They have far more failures and I haven't heard them mention him once.  They will keep trying to get lucky with players that have some history of success because that is there sad business plan while they hope that the minor league players can eventually contribute, which is just as long a shot.  I don't even know how anyone associated with this team can say with a straight face that they are interested in winning over the next couple of years.

And frankly, Granderson, as nice a guy as he is, is not even close to the impact player they tried to make him out to be. 

This team has no creative thinkers and are stuck in a plan that will not work.

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

@hashburry @Peter Ramirez  "...frustration over a failing organization..."

Jeez, a couple of years of mediocrity, which need I remind you stemmed from bloated contracts and a poor minor league system left behind from the previous administration, and suddenly we're a failing organization? This organization has had its ups and downs to be sure, but there are a host of other organizations that have gone through similar down times. The only difference between us and them is that our franchise resides in NYC, and because of that fans expect that our owners spend a certain prerequisite amount of money. And there's nothing really wrong with that...up to a certain point.

I hate whiners and complainers in general. The go-with-the-crowd type mentality as well. Sorry, I know it's just a me thing, because the general population is full of these types of people. I, in fact, have no problem with people expressing their frustration over our current ownership and (to a lesser extent) our front office. But there's a difference between b**ching and moaning, and expressing sensible, objective frustration. You, just as with most people, are a results oriented crowd, which is laughable to say the least. Case in point, if this bullpen were somehow pitching well you would all do a 180 about face of your opinions. Can you say fickle? 

Like I said, the front office has to take responsibility for putting together the bullpen that they have, and they haven't put together a good one. Criticize them where it merits, that's fine. But that doesn't excuse people from acting like idiots. "WILPONS SUCK" or "DOWN WITH SANDY!", touting their own horn after each loss (but never after a win of course; how ironic). This isn't even a Mets fan issue persay; it's simply a people issue.


hashburry
hashburry

@Peter Ramirez  That is quite the case you state for not being upset with the FO continuing to not really put together a bullpen that can be competitive from the start of the season and generally consists of wishful thinking.  And why not step off your soapbox when it comes to how fans express their frustration over a failing organization?  Collins can mix and match these retreads all he wants, eventually, one of them will fail.  And if you are going for "mediocre" as your high water mark for performance, the Mets certainly have a shot!

lindro88
lindro88

I'm not counting on it. I just meant that Valverde was worth a shot. He does tend to pitch better when a save is on the line.