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Jon Niese heading to NYC for an MRI

Jon Niese is going back to New York to have an MRI on his sore left shoulder, with what Niese described as a ‘dead arm,’ Terry Collins told reporters Wednesday in St. Lucie.

“Last year when there was pain, it was difficult to do everyday things such as turn a steering wheel or put on a belt,” Niese said (DiComo, Feb. 26). “There’s no pain with any of that now, so I don’t foresee it being serious at all.”

It’s precautionary, according to Collins, who says Niese has been feeling pain in his triceps since early in camp (Carig, Feb. 26).

It is in different area than the rotator cuff he partially tore last summer (DiComo, Feb. 26).

Niese was projected to be the team’s Opening Day starter, Collins said.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Yes, everyone, they do have MRI machines in Florida. So I assume there’s a specific reason why it makes more sense to send him to New York, maybe to see team doctors, etc. I guess we’ll know soon… My big, uninformed fear is that this is something like Johan Santana, who complained of these exact symptoms when he first disappeared to have major shoulder surgery. I pray this is not that… hopefully it’s just a dead arm, some standard soreness and a smart team being extra cautious. Fingers crossed…




155 comments
eric88
eric88

OH SANDY wake up, you had a chance to trade him at the winter meetings off his post set back performance and didn't., and another thing, we SHOULD win 90 games! Get the smelling salts, hurry.

hankypanky
hankypanky

There goes one of our biggest trading pawns.

Jayson Love
Jayson Love

and here we go again.  over under of 2.5 misdiagnosies/misinformation ?

MetsGoLetsGo
MetsGoLetsGo

Can never have too much pitching. Guess its good we didn't trade away any of our young arms like Montero, Gee, Syndergaard or Wheeler.

sayhey24
sayhey24

This wont be the end of the world even if it is serious. The Mets are not likely to be contenders, so they can afford to use this as an opportunity to give some of their prospects a chance and see if they are really more than prospects. It would be much worse if it were Wright or Granderson since we have zero depth or ML ready prospects at a positional level.

cver
cver

Reading the comments on here, it seems that folks are between surprised and shocked.  Why was anyone counting on Niese considering his condition?

cver
cver

It's "I told you so" time for me regretably.  Those that read my comments know that I have been relentlessly saying they should trade Niese for Reyes. For the life of me, I don't know why there has been so little concern or coverage of the fact that Niese has a partial tear.  It doesn't go away and seems like, with 3 years left on a contract, will mean missing a year with surgery.  At the money that his contract dictates, it wouldn't even have been so bad for the Blue Jays to take the chance on him (7.5 mil for 2 years and the option, instead of 5 mil per 3, if you take in to account the year off for surgery and rehab).  Getting rid of Reyes salary might have made it worth their while, but now, it's a joke.  Was there really no interest for Niese this off-season or to be fair, maybe he never would have passed a physical for a trade.

Eric Koeller
Eric Koeller

are we getting to that point where you can give Niese the "Injury Prone" label....he seems to get hurt every year

bill metsiac
bill metsiac

I guess Zach Wheeler will do anything he can to get that OD start, including voodoo. :)

Hope Jon will be OK.

tw22
tw22

We have the depth, Jon Niese is not Clayton Kershaw, he is a good middle of the rotation starter and we have a ton of arms in camp along with our youth. Everybody relax.

p8rlynch
p8rlynch

@metsblog Funniest Line? Hopefully...a smart team being extra cautious. Great comedy there. are not a "smart team."

Paul Kersey
Paul Kersey

If this turns out to be a big deal the mets are screwed. Losing Niese would be kicking an already down fan base

nolrog
nolrog

Ok, so first they put him in a walking boot, then after 3 or 4 weeks, they take off the boot and see fi that helped his arm, and since it didn't, another 3-4 weeks in the boot, and once that doesn't help his arm, surgery.  Welcome to the Mets Medical Staff.

Muhammad Qureshi
Muhammad Qureshi

F@#! Nooooooooo, damn man seriously. Ugh man oh man, our only lefty starter. We r hoping for the best, but if not, we better see Noah or Montero, end of discussion.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Given our recent experiences with the crack Met Medical staff it is safe to say we won't be seeing Niese pitch until sometime in July. Didn't he also have a similar problem last year? Are the doctors that much better in New York?  No, this is serious. And let's see what happens with Colon's 'tight calf.'  Remember these cursed words, "My arm's not sore, just a little stiff."  Just start the damn kids already.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

I'd make a bet right now that this problem Niese is having will end his season but this is the Mets so of course it will, so no one would take that bet. I guess the only thing up for debate now is will this issue be so severe that after trying to fix the problem will Niese ever be the same pitcher again? The Mets just got rid of all that dead money in Bay and Santana it would just be fitting that Niese's contract now become dead money to start to replace that.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

This is not good, thevworry when they revealed he had a partially torn rotator cuff is that it eventually becomes a torn rotator cuff.

E
E

And here we go

mets1973
mets1973

Smart team, THE METS AHHHHHHH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAA. Thanks for making me laugh.

Tugger Mcg
Tugger Mcg

I heard they are going to sell New York Mets Operation the board game this year at citi field.

Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

It's early in camp. But most starting pitchers say the go through a dead arm period during camp and or some soreness. Considering no reports of a pop or sharp pain, people have to get off the ledge. Pain originated from triceps. You can't speculate torn capsule from that. That is horrible reporting. Was looking at nieses stats from a ball through mlb. Drafted in the 7th round out of highscool. He has never projected to be anything more than a 3 in a rotation. Never in majors or minors has he had a sub 3 era. Guys give him way to much credit as a pitcher and make him a huge piece of rotation going forward. When niese came up he was highly touted but only by the mets brass because they had absolutely nothing in the system. In comparison because he was lefty, matz, was drafted in the second round. Throws harder. All ready pitched to a sub three era. I understand A ball and he was older. But it was his first go round do to injuries. Also that injury was TJ which is as common as u get now. If Matz goes the way of other mets pitching prospects, half season at high A half session at double . And is next year slated for Aaa. Neise is go by next spring. Only question is what Sandy gets in a trade which is all determined by this season's health of nIese. He is not the future of this rotation, period.

eric88
eric88

@hankypanky  Your right, this guy should have been traded during the winter meetings for Franklin, Sandy turned it down if you recall.  This was a no brainer that this would happen What is Sandy doing. This guy Neise was never as good as they made him out to be. Now we will have neither.

Another example of out of touch Sandy, he said "WE SHOULD WIN 90 GAMES", WHAT!!

eric88
eric88

@MetsGoLetsGo  Your right, but he had a chance to trade Niese this winter and didn't.  You just Knew this would happen with Niese, why didn't Sandy Know.

eric88
eric88

@sayhey24  Well wait, Sandy said "we SHOULD win 90 games this year. Was Sandy wrong again?

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

If Neise's injury is a worsening of his rotator cuff tear, it can't be anything good for the Mets. It would mean they would lose Neise for at least the season, and put a big question mark on the rest of his career. Which would mean the Mets have to rush prospects and the Mets would have less depth moving forward for trades or future rotations when the Mets could be contenders.

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@cver  It was definitely a huge risk not to undergo surgery last season when originally diagnosed.  

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

His 5-2 record and 3.00 era in his 10 starts in August and September?

gregparm
gregparm

@p8rlynch That line struck me as well. Gave me a good chuckle this morning.  We judge smart by the consistency of winning in baseball.  Not sure what Matt judges it by. 

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

@p8rlynch @metsblogThat line means either:

He's fine, but the Mets think he's done.

He was done, but they let him throw any way.

God hates Mets fans

It most certainly does not mean that the Mets are smart.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Brian Webster If this were any other team, I'd say you're being overly-pessimistic. If this were any other team......

Shawn Sparks
Shawn Sparks

@Brandon Hillman I don't want to assume the worst, either, and it's encouraging that nobody has mentioned a loss of velocity or control on his pitches prior to this. That said, just because the pain started in his triceps doesn't mean the cause is in his triceps.  If there's a problem with the rotator cuff, the shoulder is going to be less stable and and/or weaker, so the other muscles of the arm will attempt to compensate, causing them to become overstressed.

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

You don't get stop spring training workouts and get sent for an MRI for dead arm. This is pain, not tenderness. It sounds pretty significant.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

@eric88 @MetsGoLetsGo  your being ridiculous, if the they traded him, and there was actually an injury, the other team would pick it up in his physical.  The Mets have a ton of problems, not being Sooth Sayers isn't one.

eric88
eric88

@sayhey24  Rushprospects! That would cost MONEY for service time, not a chance.

eric88
eric88

@Joseph DeFazio @cver  It was a hugh risk not to trade him. I never thought much of Niese, soft not a bulldog, not a winner like GEE.

cver
cver

@Joseph DeFazio @cver It seems that way.  If he was operated straight away, then maybe he'd be able to come back for the second half this season.  So, we got him for the second half this season and who knows for sure, if or when he will need the surgery, but it does kind of seem inevitable, which is a shame.

eric88
eric88

@Kevin VanTassell  So what A Partial tear of the RC. YOU TRADE HIM OVER THE WINTER, you don't sit on him. The performance in Aug/Sept gave him excellant trade value. Have you EVER seen the Mets handle an injury wel; ?

cver
cver

@Kevin VanTassell I see, well, I guess someone could make that assumption, but it's illogical.  If someone has a partial tear, it's not going away, is it?  Pedro had it and eventually, it bit him and us in the butt.  Seems to be the nature of it, unless the patient retires from sports.

cver
cver

@hubie_wc @cverWhat do you mean, because the Wilpons will never take on Reyes' salary?

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

@Eddie_Dean I totally agree! It would be something barely worth mentioning and thoughts of surgeries, and his season being over or him never fully recovering to be anywhere near the same pitcher would never even come close to entering your mind. With the Mets if you hear a player coughed immediately you fear in a week or so it'll turn out he has the Bubonic Plague!

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

Yeah, I really hated those Omar years...you know, where the team actually competed and had a chance.

lindro88
lindro88

How does poor ownership or past GM's spending $ have anything to do with John Niese going for an MRI?

strake
strake

Shinjo

For you to chose a #4 outfielder who didn't come close to meeting any level of expectations as your handle tells me all that I need to know about your baseball knowledge. On a scale of 1-10, you are a d-bag.

Love,

Matsui

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

05, 06, 07, 08.......they were even in first place in may of 09 until the whole team fell apart due to injuries

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@shinjoooo Yes, they were so competitive in '09 and '10 when they won a combined 149 games.....

lindro88
lindro88

People want it all. They want a great system, and a team that spends big money. Only spend the money if the player is going to work out.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@lindro88 Matt Harvey had Tommy John surgery. It's still looking like Ruben Tejada will be the opening day SS, despite arriving in camp out of shape AGAIN, and Duda or Davis will be the opening day first baseman. And the best pitcher they had left on the staff, who already had a partially torn rotator cuff, just got sent back home for an MRI. I kind of understand it.

lindro88
lindro88

I've been watching for 30 years. I just don't see the need to be in mid season form February 26th.

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@lindro88 :shrug: the OP asked a question, and I answered it. And after watching this team for the past 10 years or so, you really can't understand how the fans can be negative?

lindro88
lindro88

Maybe, but this is a story about Niese. It's interesting how every story eventually leads to a ton of negative posts about the Wilpons, Sandy, Omar, etc. It's the most negative group of people on the planet. Lol

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@lindro88 I think the OP wasn't just talking about this potential Niese injury, and more the state of the franchise in general. That's how I interpreted it, anyway. Maybe I'm wrong.

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Actually even with the bad contracts Omar signed last year's payroll was floating around 100mm...if it wasn't for the Madoff mess the Mets would most likely have had another 40mm to spend since that was their payroll before all the madoff drama so its not the contracts that handcuffed sandy it was madoff...imagine if we had an extra 60 40mm to spend this year?...we could have signed choo Cano and drew on top of what we already have

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@lindro88 "Anyone" wasn't paid to make the decisions on which players to invest $130 million in at the time though, Omar Minaya was. I don't think anyone foresaw the Jason Bay disaster either, but it was still a disaster. When Sandy took over, the Mets probably had somewhere around ~$40-$60 million in dead contract money on the books each year. Can't absolve the previous GM of that completely when he was the guy who was paid a few million a year himself to make those decisions.

lindro88
lindro88

Did anyone have a problem with trading for Johan Santana?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@SuperDuper @Eddie_Dean@PL Worthington III How is this NOT in part Omar's fault? Part of why Sandy has had no money to work with for years is because he was saddled with salary constraints from contracts for terrible or injured player like Jason Bay, Luis Castillo, Johan Santana, etc etc etc.