Johan Santana ready for his start on Saturday

Terry Collins said today that Johan Santana is healthy and ready for his start on Saturday against the Braves, according to SNY’s Matt Dunn.

Collins said Santana will have no limitations in his start on Saturday.

Collins is confident Santana will give the Mets a strong effort, but he said it’s important Santana gets into the off-season healthy. He wants Santana coming to camp ready and 100 percent healthy.

Michael Baron, Contributor

In all reality, Santana’s inconsistencies began before the collision with Reed Johnson in early July. Was the no-hitter the culprit for those problems? Maybe, maybe not. Given how amazing he was up until the no-hitter (and in a couple of starts after that), it was easy to forget what Santana has been through with his shoulder, and he has been and will continue to be a big question mark going forward. He was bound to hit a wall – he just hit it harder than many of us expected. Hopefully he’s stronger, stays healthy, and contributes towards winning for the remainder of the season. As Terry said earlier, knowing Santana is healthy going into camp next year would be huge – the last seven weeks or so will put that to the test.

Santana was placed on the disabled list on July 21 with an ankle injury that he sustained in a start against the Cubs before the All-Star Break.

Since injuring his ankle, Santana is 0-3 with a 13.51 ERA in three starts.





74 comments
czervy
czervy

How about trading Nash (NYR retaining half his salary for 2 yrs), Talbot, Klein, Kristo and a late round draft pick for #1 Overall pick?  Does Edmonton really need another #1 pick to waste away like all there previous #1s?

Frank B
Frank B

Sillypucks and Twitty10 Dylan Mcllrath could be the worst replacement for Boyle who can not be traded anyway or Klein who will be traded to "Just free up Cap space". 

You baseball fans never even mention Matts Hunswick as a replacement for 3rd pairing.


Discussing this with you two is like debating with my kids. Pointless

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B Ohhh Spanky


Just yesterday you were ranting and raving how we cannot afford to trade Boyle or Klein now you admit we may have to trade Klein to free up space, which we been trying tell you. You really are the most uneducated wanna be Ranger fan on this thread, and you find amusement disagreeing with everyone and acting as if you are some kind of scout, lol.


You commented yesterday

" I saw Dylan play and I didn't even notice him"


Who cares what you noticed Spank, go lace up some skates and learn the game and than come back and talk smack spank.

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B Spank, Mats Hunswick should be resigned and compete for 6th spot with the likes of Dylan Mcllrath, Brady Skjei, Conner Allen.  

This is Dylan last shot and he walks, so Rangers will give him a shot or end the marriage.  


Dylan is one if not the Worst draft pick by Sather but he can clear the front of the net and keep guys from running Hank.  Give him a shot and see if he sticks, can't hurt.  

frozen
frozen

IMO all this talk of getting a pick for the talent we have is a dead end because... If the Rangers don't get a strong center who can win faceoffs and feed Nash we're looking at the same results we've had the last two seasons or worse. Brass and Step are not getting it done. Our Cup window is sliding shut!

Frank B
Frank B

When Vancouver Traded Cory Schneider, who was about 27 and more established to the Devils its was for the 9th overall pick. If the Rangers can get a late First Round pick for Talbot, who will be 28 in 2 weeks, Be VERY Happy.

Schneider had played over 100 games in Vancouver before being traded over 4 years. Talbot  57 in just 2 years


If you had to choose between Schneider and Talbot, who would you take??

Frank B
Frank B

OMG people please wake up!!!  First off stop saying trade Boyle or hope he will waive his NTC. He isnt. He choose NY and took less money to come here to win a cup. He isnt going to accept a trade to some team trying to make the cap floor. He arrived in NY and had to learn a new system and then was injured and missed 6 weeks. That is the reason for his poor play. I think he will be improved next year.


Forget about trading Glass already. He was an UFA last year and ANY team could have signed him. The only way a team would trade for him is if he had a good year. Would any of you say he had a good year??? What team would want him and his 1 Yes thats ONE goal this year????

 Klein is a solid 3rd/4th pairing Dman who had a great "up"year. Yes his trade value is high but you have to replace his 18 minutes somewhere and if any of you clowns who keep yelling out Skjeci, Allen, and Mcallrath have ever watched these guys play, you know they arent ready.


I dont think Mcallrath will ever make it to the NHL he is slow in todays NHL.

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@Frank B Agree with everything you said here, except you're wrong about the Glass part. Last offseason, the Canucks gave up a 3rd round pick for Derek Dorsett coming off a 4 goal - 4 assist season with the Rangers with an even higher cap hit than Glass ($1.633M). Yes, Dorsett is a slightly better player than Glass. But, the Rangers can certainly trade Glass to a team trying to reach the cap floor or bring in some toughness for a 5th or 6th round pick.

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B You really think the Rangers won't trade one of there top 4 defensemen?  I guess you don't follow the cap so maybe you need to do the math!

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B Wowwwww


where is the moderator now?  Calling people clowns is ridiculous and your actually not being fair with your assessment anyway.  Dylan Mcllrath will be in the NHL next year, mark it down.  I'm not sure you actually watched Dylan or Brady Skjei and by your comments it appears you haven't. 

Glass has one year left and a team with lots of cap space may want a guy who can throw down and protect younger players, think Buffalo.  As far as Boyle goes, yes your right on with that one, but one team actually maybe a match if if the Rangers advise him he is no longer a top 6 he may agree to a trade with the Panthers for cap space and no real return for the Rangers.


So Frank, slow down with the Coffee pal!

twiggy10
twiggy10

@Frank B Hey Frank PLEASE WAKE UP! The Rangers are in a cap crunch and have a 5th or 6th D (Skjei, Allen or McIlrath) making under $1M instead of $2.9M may be required to keep other players around. Its not a knock on Klein or that people don't want him on the team, but when you look at areas that can be trimmed he becomes the odd man out. You aren't trading McD. Girardi has a no trade. Staal has a no trade. Like you say Boyle has a no trade. What forwards are you losing to free up cap space? Hint NO ONE! 


So just by simple elimination it comes down to Klein, Yandle and Talbot being moved to clear up space. I really don't see them moving Yandle after what they gave up for him and I think they try to sign him to Boyles $4.5M after this season so Klein becomes odd man out. 


No one is arguing that Klein isn't a solid 3rd pair Defenseman, but there are cheaper options that the team may be forced to go with so they can sign Stepan, Hags and Miller.


Get a clue man!

Frank B
Frank B

@billypucks @Frank B You play too much NHL 12. Stop being a GM in an EA sports game put down the joystick and get with the real world. 

First off if you trade Boyle who will be your 6th Dman playing the 20 minutes Boyle does?? Please dont say Skjeci, Allen, or Mcllrath. These guys arent ready. Like I said Mcllrath, in my opinion will not stick in the NHL and Allen and Skjeci arent ready. 

Boyle is a top 6 defense man.

Secondly do you really think the Rangers brass will twist Boyle into doing anything they want? Do you really think Boyle will just pack it up and leave a Cup contender even playing only 5 minutes a game to a team that didnt make the playoffs??


And yes William I have seen about a dozen Whaler games. I wasnt impressed at all with Mcllrath. If it wasnt for a few of his fights I wouldnt have noticed him at all. Never once stood out to me. Sorry but thats my opinion. Oh wait the Rangers Must think so also cause they have 6 of some of the best Defense man in the league.

Frank B
Frank B

@twiggy10 @Frank B Hey Twitty news flash for you. They havent signed anyone yet. Id keep Klein over Haglin if Hags is getting paid over 3 million a year. Im sorry but I dont think Haglin is worth over 3 million a yr as a third line winger. He doesnt have any hands so he isnt a top six winger. To pay a third liner over 3 million a year will hurt your cap and team more than Keeping a top 4 Dman who is getting only 2.75 million.


Im not saying Klein wont be traded. Gretzky was traded but if you are trading Klein to just reduce the Rangers Cap crunch that isnt the answer.


They are Trading Talbot to get a first round pick not to save 500k on the cap. It will cost them just as much most likely to get a competent goalie to be a back up.


Get a Clue?? Come on Skippy?? You keep calling Klein a 3rd pair Dman. He is a 3rd/4th Dman. So in your world he would be a second paired Dman. If you look around the league those guys dont come cheap.

Frank B
Frank B

@billypucks @Frank B Whaaaa   Where is the moderator now? He called me a clown.  Whaaa


He is a tissue. Dry your eye



Frank B
Frank B

@twiggy10 You really dont know hockey. Clearly you read the NY post too much. Dmen  take the longest to mature into NHL players. The Rangers dont have anyone in the system to step in and play big minutes on a Cup contending team. If this were Edmonton Or Buffalo then maybe suffer thru the growing pains and mistake but not here. You go with youth in a foward. Like they did with Fast.  IMO Ryan Bourque would be a good third line winger in place of Haglin. Ive seen him play. Good speen, great PK guy and has good hockey sense. You trade Haglin for a second round pick and you save 2 million there.

So tell me Twitty, just what is the Cap this year?

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B @billypucks Dear Frankfurter,

Ive also watched Boyle closely and your worrying about trading Boyle and not having a 6th defenseman is silly. Boyle is owed 4.5 milion, you just commented that Hags isn't worth 3 million on 3rd line than wtf would we not explore a trade of Boyle who will be 39yo and is our 6th defenseman?  

You than go onto say who would replace Boyle? LMAO Well Ive also seen Dylan Mclrath play frankster and as a 6th d-man, you could do worse especially when he will not hurt the cap.  You also have Skjei to compete for that spot. Open your eyes, this is capology 101 I'm teaching you. 

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B @billypucks Frank, its 71 mill! I have a great article for you to read, by Joe Fortunato ("a guide to saving your hockey team"). Go educate yourself Spank, (I meant Frank).

twiggy10
twiggy10

Stop thinking this is 1999 with no cap! Get with the real world aka the cap world! You don't get it Frank. The cap is going to require one of the young kids to be forced into the lineup whether they are ready or not. If you don't make a move on defense then you aren't signing Step, Hags or Miller. One if not two of them are out. If you lose them who you replacing them with from the minors?

The drop off from Hags or Miller to any of the forwards in the system who would take their place would be greater than moving Klein or Boyle (if he'll accept) and going with a young kid cause you can hide the 6th D and play him 10-12 a game until they get comfortable.

You clearly don't understand the cap Frank. Why do you think Boston and Chicago traded Boychuk and Leddy last season? I'll give you a hit it rhymes with tap and stands with a C! The Rangers are going to find themselves in the same situation.

twiggy10
twiggy10

@Frank B @twiggy10 Are you serious Frank? THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE TRADING KLEIN IS TO REDUCE THE CAP CRUNCH! If it wasn't for the cap there is no way you trade him. Why don't you understand that?

Frank B
Frank B

@billypucks @Frank B Wow Stick to Baseball. I never said I wouldnt trade Boyle and I know his 4.5 Million salary is ludicrous. I would never have signed him in the first place. 

I said he cant be traded cause he has 

A NO TRADE CLAUSE. 


So any discussion of trading him is wasting air and space

Frank B
Frank B

@billypucks @Frank B Hey Silly the League hasnt set the salary cap for next season yet. It will be announced this week. Anything that has been reported is just speculation.

billypucks
billypucks

@Frank B @billypucks

Yes Spank, watch NHL Network, rumor and it's a strong rumor is that the cap will be 71 million.  I guess most expert analysts are wrong spank?  

How bout we bet the cap is no higher than 71 mill spank?  Wanna take that bet bigmouth?

Mark Mattia
Mark Mattia

Like the idea of trading Cam for a 16 or 21..i do think that he will be packaged.. Why though an article about Talbot has to have soo many comments about Glass is interesting.  I get that people dont like him as a player..but really if you replaced him with a 1MM player the team has saved .45MM on the cap and "perhaps" improved.  He is not the reason the Rangers have cap issues (or lost the cup) and while shedding .45MM might help it is not the real issue here.  The issue (if there really is one) is that you have at least a couple of $5MM players who just cannot operate at their salary levels, and here I am not talking about G.  MSL situation will take care of itself.. The others not so sure about.

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@Mark Mattia For a team pressed up against the cap, every $ matters. That $450K in space will matter when trying to resign Step and Hags. That's why everyone is talking about moving Glass. I like Glass, but you can't have a relatively useless 4th line winger making $1.45M when you have all these huge contracts on the books.

twiggy10
twiggy10

@....... @Mark Mattia $500K is a HUGE deal when you are tight against the cap. That's why the Rangers are looking to move Talbot cause they can save $500-800k with another back-up. If the $500-800k wasn't a big issue they would keep Talbot.

Mark Mattia
Mark Mattia

@twiggy10 @....... @Mark Mattia Looking to move Talbot because they can and get possibly a 1st rounder for him..doubt it has anything to do with cap.  He has peak value now. Just like NE trades back-up QB's and gets 1st and 2nd rounders for them. 

Mark Mattia
Mark Mattia

@....... @Mark Mattia They paid 1.45MM per year for him so there was a reason Sather got him..  I dont think .45 MM or so is the answer. I get that "every dollar counts" but in the end it is .5% of the cap.  We would all love to have guys making .5MM and be all stars but that is not going to happen..plus we would all love a Lucic on our team but that rarely happens with Rangers..so my point is that the problem is really elsewhere and not with players making 1 or 1.5MM.  IF they worry have to worry about Glass' salary and build a strategy around that we are all in trouble. Sather will need to get creative with this.. Perhaps Glass goes , perhaps not. Personally i hope that one Dman can make the team so that Talbot and a Dman making 5MM or so can be included in a bigger trade.   I try to steer away from arguments about Glass because it always dissolves into CORSI etc... Perhaps he is not the right player but I still believe you need some element of toughness on the team even now.  So in my fantasy world McIrath makes the team and does well and then you can build a different 4th line.

jayhawkey
jayhawkey

I feel that for once in an a very long time Slats has good options here. Draft picks will be the hot topic, but don't count on it. If a young team has the right package of young players, Slats will jump at the chance and possibly throw in a player to make it a block buster trade. Slats andd Gorton (the next GM) are smart enough to look at a 23 yr old established player just as well as a 19 yr old college or Junior player. The Rangers are on stage here. This is a trade that could help them immensely and the league and millions of fans are watching this...(especially all of us). I hope they don't rush into this and talk to all the teams interested to possibly grab a big strong forward and a quality, young defenseman instead of all draft picks.............. ok...maybe if they get a 1-10 pick they would have to grab him..lol

NewJerseyStage
NewJerseyStage

@jayhawkey I think you might be right.  While other teams focus on getting draft picks and 18-19 year olds, I think the Rangers could be interested in another group of 23-24 year olds -- some might be able to contribute NOW and others could be contributors in a few years if the Salary Cap forces us to move players.  We have a solid team currently and a couple more 23 year olds could extend that window for us.

Frank B
Frank B

@NewJerseyStage @jayhawkey OMG What a dumb comment. The Rangers are the only team interested in 23 or 24 yo that can contribute now...LOL Yes other teams will draft the 18 and 19 yo's, develop them and then trade them to the Rangers...ROTFLMAO

Frank B
Frank B

@jayhawkey I cant even respond to your comment. I dont understand it. What the F* are you talking about??

jayhawkey
jayhawkey

The Rangers had a plan last year for Hank and it worked. Why did it work?...because they had a back up gpoaltender that stepped in and shut the door like Hank does. Resting Hank and then when he got hurt the team still won games with Cam in net. NOW........will they have a back up that can shut the door? because the plan with Hank resting and injured worked out well.  It will have to be set in place every season to accomplish 113 points and/or go to the playoffs for 2015/16 ....Tell me who steps in next season and does a job like that?   Please don't pull the "Jerry Reese trick"  and think that this position is of no priority or concern and can be fixed at anytime...

billypucks
billypucks

@jayhawkey who cares who steps in, we won the President trophy and that got us what?  If we don't trade Talbot this year we lose him next for nothing!  So we plug in Skapski or we pay a free agent half of what Talbot made and save money.  They will figure it out.  We don't need to win the President Trophy, we need to build a solid team around defense, scoring, forechecking and worry about a back up goalie last.  We also need draft picks!

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It's nuts that all these people want to trade Klein. He was arguably the Rangers best d-man last year when he was healthy. He's a legit top 4, right shot, d-man, in the prime of his career at a $2.9M cap hit (one of the best bargains in the league). He sticks up for his teammates and is well respected in the room. It would be lunacy to trade him and hope one of the kids can fill his spot.


Obviously everyone would like to move Boyle, but why would he accept a trade? At 38 years old, all the guy cares about is winning a Cup. He's on a team that has a legit shot to win it next year. But he wants to go back to where he started his career to help tutor the young players there? Gimme a break

lolz
lolz

@....... because it gives us cap room. That's the problem with a team against the cap. I'm guessing their going trade high. 

twiggy10
twiggy10

If it becomes Klein or Hags who you keeping? In the cap world Klein could end up the odd man out. You aren't trading McD, G has no trade, Staal has no trade and Boyle has no trade. The team has depth at defense that the drop off of a youn kid may not have an impact on the overall strength of defense cause they could be used sparingly and hidden.

Losing Hags would have an impact on this team greater than I think many would assume.

Klein is a great value but you may need the money you could save by having a young kid on entry level contract in his spot to keep Hags or extend Kreider next year. Klein probably has more value now then he would after next season. Could he have another good season yes, but with longer term coming off a good year his value is high right now and that's not guaranteed next year.

lolz
lolz

@twiggy10 don't forget Marty is off our books and his cap hit was around 5 mill. But in a perfect world klein would be easier to trade because we have skjeci, allen, and mcallrath down below developing. Hags speed is hard to duplicate and he's still young enough to keep. If there was a way to get picks and yakapov then yah i might consider it

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@lolz @twiggy10 With Marty coming off the books, if the rangers can trade Glass and Talbot for picks and/or prospects, they should be able to resign all their guys though it will be close. Then you keep Klein and take another big time run at the Cup this year.


Boyle will be off the books next year, and you would think that Lindberg would be ready to be the 4th line center at that point so the Rangers may not resign Moore. That's $6M in space cleared up to extend Kreider. Then you make a decision to either trade Klein or resign Yandle. McIlrath or Skjei will surely be able to step in by then and contribute.

twiggy10
twiggy10

@NewJerseyStage @....... @lolz @twiggy10 Marty coming off the book only allows you to give Step and Hags the raises they will get. You still then have to replace the spot left by Marty which will be around $1M even if its one of the guys coming up from Hartford.


I don't know why people think the Rangers will have cap space just because Marty is not going to make $5M. That money is already spent.

billypucks
billypucks

@....... @lolz @twiggy10 Dylan Mcllrath can walk this year if he doesn't make the team.  We have to free up cap space this year to re-sign Steph, Hags, and Miller.  And in order to do that we have to try our best to get rid of Glass, Boyle, or Klein if not all of them....

Some on here contend there is no way Boyle gets traded but that's absolutely false.  If you understand the cap system, teams like Florida who have allot of cap space have to watch they don't go below the cap floor which will penalize them, so they will take on 1 year contracts that make sense.  Boyle makes sense since he can help mentor the young defense.  The Rangers need to fill the gaps with a competition of Youth such as Skjei, Mcllrath, and Graves.  Oscar Lindberg is ready and Cristo needs to step up this year or never.  Pavel Buchenich and Tambellini will be ready the following year so we need to have spots available for them as well.  This is why you don't sign players too long term contracts that do not deserve those contracts.  Girardeau, while he is a tough hearted competitor is paid as if he is one of the top defensemen in the league!  Those contracts overall hurt the Rangers from making necessary moves down the road.  Hagelin may have to go in order to keep Miller and Steph and make room for Lindberg, Cristo, and eventually Buchenivich and Tambellini especially if we don't free up cap space this year.

jayhawkey
jayhawkey

@billypucks @....... @lolz @twiggy10 You can afford to make long term contracts if youy as a GM sign the right players that will provide you with enough positive play/points to go to the playoffs/Stanley Cup finals and Eastern Conf Championship You cannot say that any of the Rangers are not worth the contract. This is how you have to operate to be the elite. Yes there are mistakes involved. No GM is a genious and signs the perfect team. Even Tampa will run out of Super team soon and some pieces will fall apart. It's the Core you keep and the $$trimmings you play with.....The $$trimmings are the toys that set your 4th line and depth with. Glass...Shephard. These are the signings that can take you deep into the playoffs. Unfortunately Sather or the next GM need to get better at saving a little more space for a little better quality for these guys.....and.. Boyle as much experience as he has slows this team down....I think he would agree to go to a contender, but he has the almighty NTC.

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@billypucks @....... @lolz @twiggy10 Everyone is looking at the Boyle situation from the perspective of other teams. Yeah, other teams may want to acquire Boyle, but no one is mentioning that Boyle has all of the control. Why in the world would he accept a trade to Florida? Yeah, they have a very good up and coming team, but they are not ready to compete for a cup next year. Boyle may have only one year left and he is on a bonafide Cup contender....

Bb
Bb

There is no doubt that klein was a good d-man for the Rangers. The problem is he is a 3rd line defensman and we pay him just about 3 mill. Thats a lot. You can get a lot of trade value from him if u pack him with cam to edmonton.

twiggy10
twiggy10

@....... @billypucks @lolz @twiggy10 Yes Boyle controls the entire situation, but if the team comes and tells you they don't want you that may alter his decision. He has a cup, its not like he is Timmonen and looking for his first cup. He has a cup and while competing for one may be his goal, players are stubborn and have egos and if he's going to be the 6th D who is playing 10 min a game he may want a chance to play top 4 minutes somewhere else of his liking. 


Florida makes sense cause he could help their young core along with Jagr and the team needs the cap hit. I bet some other contenders would be willing to take a flyer on him. Montreal needs offense. Chicago needs defense (trade would require cap to work out for both teams). Columbus will be a contender next year and they have cap space next year and desperately need a D-man. The Wild and Kings both need D-men. A team like the Blues could be interested in Boyle for his offense and leadership. There are other options outside of Florida that could be a fit if the team gets creative. Could even be a situation where a team takes Boyle and Klein and adds two solid D for $7M ($4.5M which would come off the cap after next season) and the Rangers get a #5D-man and a 2nd and a 4th or some combination of picks and lesser prospects and the Rangers can then bring up a young kid to be the 6th D-man.


Boyle just becomes the cap casualty because he has a $4.5M cap hit that the Rangers are going to desperately need to sign their RFAs. IF (and thats a big IF) you can move Boyle and he is willing to accept the deal it HAS to get done. You won't get large value for Boyle, but it becomes addition by subtraction by being able to keep your RFAs and giving your young kids a shot. 

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@twiggy10 @....... @billypucks @lolz While I hope Boyle agrees to a trade, I just don't see it happening. He chose the Rangers last year, and took less money to go to NY. He also, played 20 minutes a game last year, and if he stays with the Rangers, there is no way that AV moves that number down to 10. AV really rolls his d-pairs; even Hunwick played close to 16 mins a game when he was in the lineup.

Frank B
Frank B

@Bb What league are you looking at in terms or value?? First off Klein is a Solid 3rd/4th D pairing and not a 5th/6th and that 2.75 contract is a bargain. 

twiggy10
twiggy10

@....... @twiggy10 @billypucks @lolz I agree that I don't see Boyle leaving, but it has to be considered and talked about. If you can convince him to leave you have to do it. I don't think he was a terrible player last year, but his cap hit becomes an issue. If he was making $2.5M and the Rangers had cap space then you don't consider moving him, but a move has to be considered because of the cap. It's all cap related. 


I'll be honest if Boyle was making $10M, the Rangers had cap space or there was no cap to worry about and weren't in position to possibly lose Step, Hags or Miller I would say keep him all day. But if it comes down to convincing Boyle to accept a trade to keep those three players who are a core part of this team for years to come you HAVE to explore it. I'm just speculating where a possible fit would be. Boyle can squash all of it and say he isn't going anywhere, but the team has to at least explore it.

aaronrules
aaronrules

@twiggy10 You keep Klein you trade Hags, the backbone of the team is goaltending and defense.  I totally agree with you about Hags that is why if another team is interested in Talbot and sees the values we see in Hags a package say to Edm might get you Yakupov (hope Edm thinks he is a bust) and a 16 pick. 
Then we turn around and pair Yakupov with Buchnevich on the 3rd line maybe with another kid we draft a Evgeny Svechnikov (rocket of a shot) and have our own russian triplets line or something. 

But would it suprise you if all 3 russian kids play in KHL and never a time in NHL that would be the typical Rangers story.