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Johan Santana close to signing a minors deal with a team

Free agent LHP Johan Santana is close to signing a minor league deal with a team (Cafardo, Dec. 29).

Seven or eight teams – including the Mets – have inquired about Santana this winter, according to someone with knowledge of the situation (Castillo, Dec. 8).

His agent – Chris Leible of the Legacy Agency – recently said on Twitter Santana is throwing from 150 feet on flat ground with no pain.

Michael Baron, Contributor

I suppose on a minor league deal, the Mets could take a flier on Johan and bring him back to camp. However, the Mets are looking for certainty for their starting pitching depth, and Santana is hardly a sure thing at this stage in his career. Remember, this is a second surgery on the capsule, there was plenty of uncertainty after the first procedure, and he is now in uncharted territory after the second. Still, I’d count on Santana, his athleticism and determination, along with his talent, to get back to the big leagues at some point – if there’s anyone who can do it, it’s Johan. But, it’s a big IF, and he probably wouldn’t be ready until sometime during the season, at best.

Santana has not pitched since August, 2012. He underwent a second surgery to repair a torn capsule in his left shoulder in April, and missed the entire 2013 season.




111 comments
Joanie Yan
Joanie Yan

Where are the latest stories? I need Ike Davis trade rumors!

MMIAA
MMIAA

I cant wait for Adam Rubin to get back to work so we can get some news on the Mets.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

Maybe we can rehash this meme one more time before the calendar flips to 2014?

mojorisin
mojorisin

Was always a big fan of Johan, but let's just allow him to play out his career elsewhere

tommets
tommets

I want to see Santana end his career with the Twins. It's where he belongs to end his amazing career. Good luck to him.

Michael Fichera
Michael Fichera

I think if the Mets were close to bringing back Santana on a minor league deal it would've been leaked already. It hasn't.

yankeehater
yankeehater

Unless Santana agreed to a 1 dollar minor league deal with the mets to make up for all of the money he stole from us, then screw him. I couldn't give an eff less if he ever pitched again. For any man to have gotten the money he did from the mets and not BEG to try to make it up to them is a no-good scumbag. Don't want to hear about the fact that they're ballplayers and that's just the way it is....that's a lowlife move no matter what you do for a living.

Joanie Yan
Joanie Yan

We'll always have the no-hitter.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

should def bring him back, i feel like hes the type of guy no matter his stuff, he can reinvent himself and be successful.  Plus if hes successful you can trade him, if were out of contention, which is a possibility bc there the Mets

dexx
dexx

He should be playing on a minors deal for us, and then offer to pitch the next couple of seasons at league minimum if he's at all healthy.


We made him a very rich man, and he was injured every single year of the contract.  7 out of 7.  He made 109 starts in 7 seasons.  That's an average  16  GS/Season over 7 years for $134 mill.  WOW

Oliver Reid
Oliver Reid

Worth taking a chance on I think, he should want to prove himself.

Goorru®Mets
Goorru®Mets

Anyone lucky enough to purchase a Mets Calendar?  LOL

hankypanky
hankypanky

There goes the most expensive no-hitter in the history of the game, in more ways than one. 

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Can't wait for him to go into his windup only to have his arm detach at the shoulder and land in the lap of some chardonnay sipping twit in the Delta Club behind the dugout.  If nothing else, it will be the play of the week for about a month.  

Mike Schlitt
Mike Schlitt

If it created more page views, Xavier Nady is CLOSE to signing with a team or continuing to be a free agent.

Joseph
Joseph

I totally agree with you.

1harris1
1harris1

@yankeehater Dude, please already.  The man got hurt.  It wasn't his fault.  He was always a gamer when capable of pitching.  This was the same guy who pitched a complete game shutout during the final weekend of the 2008 season with a torn meniscus in his knee, while the rest of the team around him was pulling yet another choke job.  A lot of guys probably wouldn't have even come back from the injury he suffered in 2010, and then if you'll remember he reinjured himself in spring training last season when he tried to do too much too soon after the genius GM started crying about how he wasn't ready to pitch (as the only interest he had in the guy's wellbeing was whether he would be physically sound enough to be traded).


He owes the Mets nothing.  The guy always worked hard, and unfortunately he got hurt.   It's ridiculous for people to be badmouthing him for not running to come back on a minor league deal.  Best of luck to him wherever he goes. 

md92468
md92468

@dexx  No one forced either side to make the deal. Injuries are part of the game, and the team assumes the risk when they sign a guy to that kind of contract. If he pitched one game and blew his arm out he still would owe the team nothing. That's just the way it goes. 

ignatius
ignatius

@dexx He made himself a very rich man with his 2 Cy Young years with the Twins. We were just willing to trade for him and pay him. As were a bunch of other teams. We did him no great favor.


And getting hurt was not his fault. Now, having sex on a golf course with a woman who was not his wife who later accused him of rape - that was totally his fault.

nymetsrule
nymetsrule

@hankypankyHe was always good when he pitched for us. He should have won the Cy Young in 2008, but the bullpen was too keen on stopping that from happening.

jasonbay
jasonbay

@Marcus Jensen They say that relief pitching is even more stressful on the arm than starting.  So I'm going to go ahead and say no.

Goorru®Mets
Goorru®Mets

He will be lucky to throw 85 MPH.  Not quite closer material.

yankeehater
yankeehater

@Pedro's Rooster @yankeehater im not saying he should give a dime of it back either. All im saying is that if he wants to come back and pitch, he should tell the mets he's willing to pitch for them for the bare minimum.....if they say no, then he moves on and does what he wants.

yankeehater
yankeehater

@1harris1 @yankeehater please nothing..... that's why you root for the team.....and except for very rare guys like DW....never the player.

Not Saying the guy was lazy or didn't try....just saying that he got paid an un-godly amount of money for very little production. He does owe the mets and their fans who paid for tickets that paid his salary.

dexx
dexx

@md92468@dexx Contractually, he owes the team nothing, but any man, with any pride or sense of self pride, would wanna make up for the thievery that took place.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@ignatius @dexx ok wait a second that's just foolish saying it wasn't his fault he got hurt plus there was no other team willing to give him that contract.

dexx
dexx

@ignatius@dexx He should play for free since he had 3 of the last 4 years off.

Goorru®Mets
Goorru®Mets

They screwed up November there's a picture of Muphy and it has the bio of and name Justin Turner

Marcus Jensen
Marcus Jensen

@jasonbay @Marcus Jensen Right. A pitcher throwing 60 innings a season has more stress than one throwing 200. Love your logic.

 I suppose you'll whip out the "he has to get up and warm up a lot" argument.

MMIAA
MMIAA

@1harris1 well that's you, not everyone else. it would be nice for a player to make a gesture like that. I mean because of the Mets his entire family and their great great great  grandkids don't have to work.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

@yankeehater @1harris1 Next time your employer comes to you and says, hey last year, you kind of mailed it in, so this year I am going to pay you a $1, give us a call.

1harris1
1harris1

@yankeehater@1harris1 So then every player who makes a lot of money but underachieves due to injury owes the team and its fans? LOL. 


And by the way, did Santana hold a gun to Jeff Wilpon's head which forced the team to give him the contract they did? Ownership made a decision, and because of injury it didn't work out the way that everybody would have liked.  That's the risk inherent in giving a pitcher a long term deal..


I have zero problem with what Santana gave to the franchise, which was everything he had.  As a Met fan, he owes nothing either to me or the team that I root for.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

@yankeehater @dexx @md92468 No, actually, it is about the reality of the market.  Baseball players and athletes are paid enormous sums of money, mainly because well, look at the things that are said about them just in this stupid thread of ignorance.



dexx
dexx

@md92468 @dexx Was he a mentor? I really didnt see him much at the stadium teaching the other guys.  I mean didnt he show up really out of shape, and throw a temper tantrum bullpen session in front of the media which basically reinjured his arm?

md92468
md92468

@dexx @md92468 All anyone ever owes an employer is best effort and professionalism, and he gave both in spades. He played hurt, always hustled and was a mentor to that whole pitching staff...he owes nothing to anyone of us or to anyone in the Mets franchise. 

yankeehater
yankeehater

@dexx @md92468 Most people have no sense of pride/integrity....that's why most people disagree with you. I got killed for making a similar comment. Its all about screw me and to hell with you....that's basically how everyone lives.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

@Gland1 @harvey33 and as we know by Snow on the Pyramids, and receipts that target the lifestyle or race of waitresses, everything one reads online is of course, true.  Good grief.


That he was in the situation he was in was stupid and absolutely foolish on his part, but there has been no evidence the event was not mutual.

Gland1
Gland1

@harvey33 Just because you decided to try and deny it doesn't mean something didn't happen on that golf course.  There is plenty of details online which you can read about, many of which can change a person's opinion about the guy.

Patrick Boegel
Patrick Boegel

@Goorru®Mets maybe that is why they bad mouthed Turner on the way out the door, he screwed with the production of the 2014 calendar.

dexx
dexx

@r04supratt Did you really get that out of my post?  No.  They dont have more stamina, thats why they get hurt, and they throw shorter outings as a whole.  Which is kinda the opposite of stamina, but just make up whatever words u want to throw in your post.  


34  Starts  100 pitches, warmup 30-35, bullpen mid start 50  roughly 6000 pitches


75  games 15 pitches, warmup 25-30, bullpens & warmed up but not used, 25-30 roughly 5000 pitches.  The difference is starters are on a routine, RP are used sporadically.  If you cant see that RP is much more taxing on your arm, then I dont know what to tell ya kiddo

dexx
dexx

@Marcus Jensen The logic is that even though starters technically throw more innings, that relievers warm up 2, sometimes 3, times before they come into the game, and sometimes they pitch 3 or 4 days in a row.  You throw 25-30 pitches per warmup, 3 or 4 nights in a row, then you not only throw more pitches, but you don't give your arm time to recover.  That doesn't even count the pitches they throw in the actual game.


That's why Collins bullpen guys are always hurt.  Yeah, they only came into face one guy, but they had to warm up, and he used 3 guys in one inning 4 nights in a row.  You bring a guy in to get one out, guess what?, he still has to warm up before he comes in.  You use 3 guys in one inning, guess what?, they each threw 40 pitches total that night, so all of those guys need a day off the next day or now they've thrown 80 pitches in 2 days.  You tell me which you would rather do.