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Jimmy Rollins and the trade market for shortstop

The Phillies are very willing to trade SS Jimmy Rollins, who has a full no-trade clause (Olney, Dec. 16).

Rollins, 35, hit just .252 with a .318 OBP, 22 stolen bases and six home runs while playing 160 games for the Phillies this past season.

He will earn $11 million next season. He can guarantee an $11 million option for 2015 by getting 434 at bats in 2014 (MLBTR). His current deal also has an $8 million team option and $5.5 million player option for 2015, otherwise he can elect to be a free agent.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The last time he was a free agent, it was quite clear he wanted to play in Philadelphia. The Phillies entertained trading him last winter, according to countless reports. However, it was said he was unlikely to waive his no-trade clause. Plus, there wasn’t much demand for him from other teams, probably because of those options.

He’s not going to be traded to the Mets, I’m sure. That said, if he’s willing to be traded and teams are interested, it could impact the market for shortstops.


It was reported last Tuesday that the Mets are still active in the shortstop market (Cafardo, Dec. 10), though they’re more likely to get someone through trade than free agency, Sandy Alderson told reporters before leaving the Winter Meetings.




90 comments
dave42
dave42

What's the thought on how much we'd have to give up to get Elvis Andrus from Texas?  He'll be 26 next August.  Has career splits of .274/.339/.348, had 42 steals last year.  Would they take a package of Flores, Montero, DeGrom and Duda? 


I'm thinking $14-15mil per year for player like that for his 26-34 year old seasons sounds pretty good compared to 3 years $36mil for Drew's 31-33 year old seasons, with his career splits of .264/.329/.435.  I think Andrus is rated a pretty good glove as well.

Andrew Cohen
Andrew Cohen

am I the only one who completely rejects the notion of having Tejada play ss? I feel like that was the pressing issue this offseason, more important than OF and  replacing Harvey. Granderson and C. Young have power, but we are playing in a large ballpark, homes runs aren't as critical in Citi Field. The mets need speed, combined with average which is the prime SS role. 

bigslick
bigslick

Jimmy Rollins would be Juan Samuel part 2

Just sign Drew. 3 years $36 million is a good deal........getteer done

Herb Goldstein
Herb Goldstein

Love to see Rollins, Papelbon and Howard bleed the Phils with their horrid contracts. I wouldn't take any one of them off their hands. There are so many good shortstops on the trade market, why would we want a has been like Rollins?

fedupfan13
fedupfan13

If he was good I could deal....but to watch him stink and have Rollins...nah. Although he might have a chip on his shoulder and perform over his head. Now I'm confused.

billa
billa

at .252BA and 6HR I would stick with Tejada

nymets6
nymets6

Don't need him, next...

Eric Raffle
Eric Raffle

Phils are old...expensive...and NOW. Since resigning Rollins,  they've re-upped Utley with a similar deal. Their big three bats from their championship are in tow....Howard, Utley, Rollins. They've retained Lee and Hamels,  both with huge contracts. They signed Marlon Byrd a Month ago.

Their is NOTHING about this to indicate that Rollins would be on the market before this team has a chance to thrive or dive this season

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

There's no chance the Mets get Rollins, and he would be a terrible pickup, but it'll be interesting to see if the Phillies can move him and get some salary freed up. If I'm a GM, I'm not touching Rollins unless the Phillies eat the money and essentially give him away for a minor prospect, and even then I'd be hesitant because he is such a bad player at this stage of his career. With that said, if Ruben Amaro can get something back and move Rollins, that could really help the Phillies move forward, so definitely worth keeping an eye on if you're a Mets fan.

javy180
javy180

No way, we need to get young at that position not older....

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

unless the Phillies eat salary,and take a crap deal to land him probably not. Also adding in everybody is getting overpaid this offseason,so I wonder what they would expect for Rollins.


De Grom/Duda/Davis


plus if we give them De Grom,or Gee I would like about 3-4 mill a season salary relief.


I would not enjoy paying him more then 6-8 mill a season



Probably would never happen though





shmuggy
shmuggy

"That said"


I am SO sick of that expression.


Knock it off, Cerrone.

mets2014
mets2014

playing along here...the only deal that would make sense for both teams is murphy and a prospect for rollins...the Phillies could put murphy at 3rd base...can't think of another match...that being said, I would rather have rollins for 2 years $22M than Drew for 3 years $36M...never going to happen

Dave Kaye
Dave Kaye

Mets never made an offer per se, but it was known to Reyes what the Mets were willing to,do in years and dollars. My question is why, why would anyone wanna package guys with a lot of potential such as Flores, Montero and DeGrom for a guy who doesn't always hustle and is always getting injured?? Makes zero,sense. Trading those guys for a high caliber player is fine, but no,thank you on a guy who is always breaking down and he's what only 30?

As for Rollins zero chance Mets get him, but imagine lol. I have to admit it wouldn't be easy to,root for him even if on the Mets

dave42
dave42

Don't think Rollins would be a fit even if the Phils and Mets actually would make a trade with each other.  Haven't heard anyone mention Reyes in a while.  Any chance we could package say Flores, Montero, Duda and DeGrom for him? 

David Schoenfeld
David Schoenfeld

I actually wonder if this post is more social experiment than anything else.  Matt clearly says "He’s not going to be traded to the Mets, I’m sure. That said, if he’s willing to be traded and teams are interested, it could impact the market for shortstops." and yet so many comments range between "no thanks" and "ZOMG WHY WOULD MORON MATT EVEN SUGGEST THE METS DEAL FOR ROLLINS".


I've done my share of criticizing Matt for some of the comments he's made, but only after actually reading the comments.  Maybe we have headline readers only.

ken1010
ken1010

Did you see the Diamondbacks traded a young third-baseman for a young closer.  I wish we had done that with Flores.

ponzies86
ponzies86

Rollins will always be the enemy, I say NO WAY! Much rather have Reyes back

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

Matt, 


you refuse to ever mentioned the greastest SS in Mets history's name(Jose Reyes) but somehow Jimmy Rollins is a potential trade candidate?? Forget Rollins. bring back reyes

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

"He can guarantee an $11 million option for 2015 by getting 434 at bats in 2014"

Where the heck did that 434 at bats number come from? That seems like an odd number.

Maybe that's the amount of times he refers to himself in the first person each day.

drmetfan
drmetfan

Why are we talking about Rollins as a possible trade candidate? Come on!!!

Anna Johnson
Anna Johnson

Jeez, are you serious Cerrone?? How many times are you gonna, like, use the letter 'a' in one freakin' post?! God...

bigslick
bigslick

Each one of them would be a significant upgrade over what we have...........that being said f Rollins - besides Chipper Jones, no one else has been a worse enemy. F' Rollins and F' the philthies!

gameball
gameball

@mets2014 

Right . . . and then we can trade D. Wright and a prospect for Chase Utley.

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@dave42 no, reyes makes loot. the mets already ended their relationship with him without as much as an offer. wilpon also dissed him in that article. even if alderson wanted him and even if the wilpons spent money like a real non salary-capped NYC team, i doubt wilpon would give the ok. and would JP Morgan ok it?


plus for a team whose priority is to win now, as they supposedly reported, it makes no sense to upgrade with jose reyes when ruben tejada is on the verge of leading the mets to the promise land.

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@David Schoenfeld I think what most people are thinking, as am I a bit, is why would Matt post this on Metsblog if he doesn't think there's a chance this situation involves the Mets? I agree that he said very clearly he doubts Rollins comes to the Mets, but why post this? I think that's why people are saying what they are.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

@Izeaac Izenhower id take alexi not sure what the sox want in return, but he isn't bad.  Would much rather a top young player if we can get one though.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

@ken1010 wow that was a good deal for the dbacks - they are doing some job there this winter. 

muskytoes
muskytoes

@ken1010 The Mets have a strategy to keep Flores as a lead-footed 2B in the minors and winter leagues to "raise his value," all the while leaving him positionless for the Mets and lowering his trade value. 

Pete Mody
Pete Mody

@Christopher Masiello I bet it was a combined total over two years and that is how many left.


And the first person comment made me laugh out loud, though I think you meant third person.  Well, at least Pete thinks that what you meant.

CJM
CJM

@drmetfanNobody is talking about him as a potential trade candidate.

mets2014
mets2014

@gameball@mets2014 yeah because murphy and wright are on the same level...folks are really overvaluing murphy...except the other mlb teams that is

dave42
dave42

@Brian Daley@dave42 It is my impression that the Mets never made Jose and offer when he went to Florida.  If that is true, it's hard to say he was quick to jump ship. 


I'm just looking to make us into a contender in 2014 and 2015 and as I see it, we need a SS and leadoff hitter.  Where else you gonna get one player to do both those things? 


That said, I doubt very much if the Wilpons have the money to spend for Jose at this point unless we can overpay and get the Jays to pay part of his salary.

Opti-Mets-tic
Opti-Mets-tic

@Zach Ripple @David Schoenfeld

Mets are looking for a shortstop.

There are only a certain number on shortstops in the world.

Jimmy Rollins in a shortstop.

Jimmy Rollins on the "trade block" adds one more shortstop to the "pool".

Adding one more shortstop, affects the "pool', which affects the teams looking to deal shortstops, which affects the Mets, who are looking for a shortstop.

If you have any more questions, see me after class.

Izeaac Izenhower
Izeaac Izenhower

He has speed and pretty good defense. Doesn't make a whole lot. Def a lot less than Drew is asking for. I think he would be a good fit.

muskytoes
muskytoes

@Pete Mody  Right, he actually needs 434 plate appearances, not at bats, next season (and not to end the season on the DL) for his 2015 option to vest. 


The 434 comes from his option vesting if he has a combined 1100 plate appearances in 2013-14. And everyone plus Satan knows Rollins had 666 plate appearances in 2013. Metblog's other favorite middle infielder, Brandon Phillips, also had 666 plate appearances in 2013. 

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@mets2014 @gameball Murphy is a FAR better player than Rollins. If Murphy played at third base, he'd be a 3-WAR player. Murphy is trending upward, while Rollins is going the other way. No way you even consider the trade.

niesesnose
niesesnose

Murphy's value>>>>>>>Rollins' value

anymos
anymos

@dave42 @Brian Daley Mets never made an offer because they knew they weren't going to pay what he was looking for and what the Marlins eventually gave him.  If he wasn't making $22M a year for the next three years and the Blue Jays indicated they wanted to deal him, then it would make sense to talk.  Unfortunately neither of those conditions has been met.

CJM
CJM

I'm not here to teach reading comprehension. But Cerrone does give a pretty succinct explanation for why this is Mets relevant. Maybe read it again and find it for yourself.