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Jeff Wilpon talks payroll and Sandy Alderson’s plan

Jeff Wilpon reiterated to MLB.com that no bank has ever mandated what the Mets can or can’t do with their payroll, despite a New York Post report saying otherwise.

In regards to whether or not his team has a big-market payroll, Wilpon said, “I would point to the fact that you don’t have to have that kind of payroll to win.”

According to Wilpon, Sandy Alderson has the freedom to spend more money. However, he added, “Sandy’s not going to overspend for something he doesn’t see value in.”

Lastly, when asked about some fans wishing the team would add one or two more players, such as free-agent SS Stephen Drew, Wilpon responded:

“If those one or two things were there, we would have expanded the budget for them. Just to get a guy because the fans think that’s the right thing to do, that’s not part of the plan. … We’ve had the ability to go after some guys that I don’t think anybody knew we were going after. They didn’t all hit, but we did try, and those all would have expanded the payroll above where we are now.”

In Wilpon’s view, Alderson is doing a good job, he’s put a plan in place, “and we’re ready to see the fruits of that labor now.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Again, for me (as one fan), it’s not so much about the overall number as it is about doing everything possible to win now, but also balance that with what’s best for long-term, sustainable success. I think Alderson’s overall plan will do this, but that’s what these next few years will be about (seeing how these pitching prospects come together in the big leagues, what roster and payroll flexibility can do for filling in, etc.).

I’ve said it before, but I just don’t care that much about payroll numbers, spending, etc., because I know it’s not the end-all, be-all to winning. Also, I see way too many people use it as an easy scapegoat for more complicated, poor decisions, all without giving much thought to what it means to future success and why.

Payroll matters, but it’s not the only factor, which is how it is often treated by some fans and media. For me, it’s about getting better and winning, and I hope to see that start happening in 2014, regardless of who was or wasn’t signed.


In his Q&A with MLB.com, Wilpon also talked about Terry Collins, the importance of David Wright, pitching prospects, competing for a playoff spot and the franchise’s strengths and weakness >> Read More




140 comments
eric88
eric88

Your about to see fruits of that labor?? Jeff you lying BS ARTIST, how when what year are we talking now. You keep pushing the deadline down the road. You ain;t going to see nothing now but more crappy baseball.

vinnio
vinnio

Wilponzies  !!!!!


100% I see on the comments here.

Some fans believe in hope like a dope,don't work in NY.


Peace

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Is he clueless or broke and full of sh!t?

supert
supert

"Just to get a guy because the fans think that’s the right thing to do, that’s not part of the plan. "


Like he cares what the fans think.

supert
supert

"In regards to whether or not his team has a big-market payroll, Wilpon said, “I would point to the fact that you don’t have to have that kind of payroll to win.”


To win what - 74 games?

slainte2
slainte2

Ok ... So the team is better with drew than without, no? So sign him!

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

"but that’s what these next few years will be about" - Spoken like a devote Mets fan, Matt.  Wait till next year! 

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

I know several people that had season tickets that did not re-up or had 4 tickets for the past 25 years and just went down to two tickets.  When they couldn't go to games, they couldn't even give them away.  It's sad.


I also think the fact that the stadium is an attraction really takes away from the overall experience of going to a baseball game.  Instead of having concession vendors walking up and down the stadium, they really force you out to the picnic tables and restaurants.  If you went to a concert and nobody was actually there, the experience is awful - it's the same with a baseball game.  Maybe it's that I'm a guy who would buy a program and keep score with a golf-pencil and nobody does that anymore.  Maybe it's just purely the fact that they aren't winning and they rely on off-field attractions...?  I don't know.  

I'm figuring it's the fact they aren't winning...and it's not a surprise 3 of the 4 teams in the NLCS/ALCS were in the top 5 in payroll and the only one that wasn't were the Cardinals who had a $117 million payroll...so, you have to spend to get a return on your investment.  Spending $25 million and being at the same payroll as last year for about the same statistical production will not see any return.  Win, and fans will come.  You can't tell fans to come and then you'll spend to win.  The Mets are a company and they are not entitled to have buyers.  

Simple business example; If I want to buy a candy bar and I have multiple options, I'll pick the one that tastes the best if price is similar.  I'll even pay a little extra if I am going to get more enjoyment out of it.  But a candy bar is not bread or water - it's a luxury.  I don't have to buy it.  If money's tight and the candy bar tastes like crap, I'm not going to buy it.

Cliff Olander
Cliff Olander

Cerrone your starting to sound like Kay, Sterling, & that Susan lady... Come on brotha I dont buy a word what that goofball Jeff has to say... This was supposed to be the year that they were gunna bring guys in here to help us win.. Really? The payroll is less than last year and we are gonna be lucky if we win 75 games.The Wilpons have no rite owning the NY Mets. Looks like another summer of not watching NY Met loosing baseball. Which quite frankly getting tires of.

Mike Boussidan
Mike Boussidan

Joe they could sign Cruz and Ubaldo and contend for a wildcard spot, the picture of that silver spoon tool makes my blood boil. Alderson has his hands tied? Than he should quit what is he doing here? Five losing seasons, his best player is Harvey that was Omar. Name one player he drafted that is on the roster? Met fans are frustrated and don't need someone saying go be a phillies fan when they express the hatred for this front office, the ones that were in bed with the biggest financial criminal this decade. Ok rant over good day

Dave Rodriguez
Dave Rodriguez

It's pretty clear that the Wilpons don't have the financial resources to commit to free agents they once did. Actually, I guess they didn't have the resources back then either, since it was other investors' money they were spending. Fun times...Catch the fever!

Danny McCay
Danny McCay

The Wilpons.. as a Met fan, I'm sure they could be worse, but I'm not sure how

William John Dwyer
William John Dwyer

Ah yes, Jeffy-boy's annual "Lying about the Payroll" schpeel.  It gets better every year!

The Cat in the Hat
The Cat in the Hat

Did Lil' Jeffy write that update for you Matt? Will they fire you if you just tell the truth and stop saying payroll doesn't matter?. Please stop that when you write stuff like that it puts a huge question on your motivation. I guess a blogger turned writer as walk a fine line to make sure those checks keep coming.

Dave Kaye
Dave Kaye

If the Mets had the best farm system they wouldn't need to spend a lot right now. They can build around those guys. Even signing some players could keep,payroll down depending on how things are done. But outside of pitching mets farm system isn't much and any possible impact players are a while away.

Sure the Mets could win on an 87-million payroll. They could win on 50. Odds are of course not very high. But to keep winning payroll will have to go up. People cite the Rays. Yes they've done a great job. However no WS win and that's what it's about.

This season way too many question marks. Can Ike produce again? Can Laragres handle his own with the bat? He showed promise last year, but means nothing yet. Can Tejada bounce back? Chris Young? Travis needs to develop sooner than later and Wheeler showed promise, but we can't fairly expect a CY Young season, might take a year or 2 before he becomes a legit ace.

Too much has to go right.

Not just that, but if Granderson has a year like Byrd so what didn't do much last year, if Colon pitches as he did last year. Again so what look at Harvey.

However if the above two perform well and some of those guys have bounce back years and young guys develop they can be solid, but too much has to go right.

Even with the farm system. Odds of all these guys being legit or the very least solid players is very slim.

Dave Rodriguez
Dave Rodriguez

Can we all agree that "overpaying" is a relative term and that once multiple teams express a willingness to commit resources to substantial contracts that it ceases to be overpaying. It's just market rate and in many cases the cost of doing business. So feel free to sit on the sidelines as an organization and publicly chuck stones at the (in your opinion) excessive asks of a lot of these free agents. However, you must excuse us fans if we don't all rally around your reluctance to make this team better through impact players—remember, we're the ones who have to watch, and in rare cases pay to see this s@#&t show.

Joe Castora
Joe Castora

Yup I understand your feelings but honestly Alderson is doing the best that he can given his lack of assets. There is no way the team should have the salary restrictions it does I'm not saying there were free agents they should have went crazy monetarily to acquire, but with it public knowledge that every team has an additional influx of $25 million per year starting in 2014 from national TV deals alone, it makes one wonder why more hasn't been added to the core. Not necessarily through free agency but players like Kemp, Tulo, Cargo have been rumored to be available most of this off season, we finally have the "chips" to help acquire that form of talent as well as the $$... Truth is though as lucky as i am to see this type of mismanagement as a Knicks, Islanders, and Met fan... I finally feel the Mets are turning a corner again. Arms and defense are what wins and where this team seems to have as possible strengths moving forward.

theglider5
theglider5

After hearing Jeff Wilpon make these comments, re confirms my opinion that he comes across as tone deaf to his fans, and needs to stop coming across as smug.

Maybe it's just me

Tom Downing
Tom Downing

I just do not like our owners, GM, and managers!!!

Sean Collins
Sean Collins

Here's an idea, owners stop paying players 25 million a year and bring their ego down some! I want the mets to sign Drew but you know what ? He's got more money then all of us combined ! Take a shorter deal with a few million less because I know it's so hard to survive with less money. It's spring training and no one is paying you what you want or giving you the years, stop Player greed!

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

"you don't need that kind of payroll to win."  - Jeff Wilpon.  Last time i checked: Boston, SFG, Cardinals, Yanks and Phillies have won the WS since 2006.  They have big payrolls.  I don't recall Oakland or Tampa winning any recent World Series titles.  Now, most rational fan do not want to see the Mets spend 200m, just to spend it.  However, we do want to see the team be competitive and make acquisitions of players that upgrade the team.  


Also, if you have a 87m payroll and your product is lousy, how dare you tell the fans to show up at the ballpark, and charge big ticket prices when management is unwilling to reciprocate. Obviously, winning solves everything, but that is hard to do when you trout out minor league players, when MLB talent is available in the FA market.     

DIY Degree
DIY Degree

"I would point to the fact that you don't need that kind of payroll to win."

So? The teams that DO win with small payrolls routinely complain about it and scapegoat the reasons they can't spend more (crappy stadiums, small markets, etc.) and remind everyone how difficult and precarious it is to be poor and win. It's not a competitive advantage. 

I would like to know why we intentionally threw away the advantage of being in a big market. After all, if the banks are not limiting spending, and the team is in no financial trouble (the official fiction we're told) then what is the brilliant reasoning for acting poor when we don't need to?

Sean Collins
Sean Collins

This is the reason why I refuse to even buy the mlb package anymore after I did for a few years after leaving NY. If I want to watch them play I do it the Wilpon way and watch them for free online

xplr
xplr

I love the Mets but only a moron or a hedge fund millionaire would buy season tickets to this team. There are thousands of seats available to virtually every game at a fraction of list price on stubhub. If the owners won't ante up, don't enable them by buying tickets from them!

metsciti
metsciti

Literally the only quote you need to read from the actual interview (which was excluded here for some reason), is:

MLB.com: Are the playoffs realistic this year, or are the Mets still building?

Wilpon: We played .500 ball over our last 100 games of last season. If we can do that for the first 100 games of this year instead of the last 100 games, we'll be in a good spot. So I'd like to see us get to that same spot, if not better.


Our owner is hoping for a .500 season.  Meanwhile I was foolish enough to dream of playoff contention by dropping a few thousand on another 40 game plan this year.

sickntired
sickntired

More lies. Don't let this clown and Metsblog fool you. This is a 75 win team. You get what you pay for.

No one wants 200 million but enough to field a major league team. If I want to see future prospects, I will spend a lot less and go see the Cyclones.

Sean Collins
Sean Collins

So my question is why do they say it's gamble to sign or "overpay " free agents" when they are gambling on the farm? Because the farm players cost no money I'm guessing ? All hype until we see them perform in the MLB! Why can't we gamble on players who have put up numbers in the mlb ? We are afraid they won't do it for us?

hashburry
hashburry

Some teams do indeed win with a lower payroll.  Everyone that uses this as an excuse for a constrained payroll points to the A's and Tampa as the poster children for such strategies.  The problem is the Mets do not nearly have the talent in their front office that the A's have or the Rays.  Billy Beane is beyond brilliant in putting together a team.  The Rays seemingly hit on a number of great signings that end up working for them after they have to trade a player coming up for a big contract.  The Mets on the other hand do not have the ability to stock pile young successful players like the A's nor pick the right players as the Rays do.  Once again, the Mets have put together a team that is really difficult to root for.  Same old questions.  Why allocate so much to Chris Young?  The Mets are not smart enough to throw that kind of money at someone who is likely to be a major bust.  Byrd didn't cost anything and was a pleasant surprise, but if he had hit .200, no one would have cared.  Young is going to bring out the wrath of this fan base.  And Granderson is a nice, presentable face for the team.  But is anyone really going to be scared to pitch to him with the game on the line?  And jeez, watching the 5th Marx brother, Colon, pitch will be hard on the eyes.  And as many have already wrote, the Mets have the nerve to charge some of the highest prices in the league, whereas you can see an A's game from field box seats for less than bleacher seats at Citi.


I know the Madoff situation was beaten to death, and I have never really concerned myself with it, but when any Wilpon speaks, it just brings it all back to the surface that anyone who can stand there and say they had no idea something illegal or untoward was going on when they are supposed to be sophisticated businessmen is nothing but a liar, either complicit or just by turning a blind eye.

forge344
forge344

The real issue here is that they really do not attempt to appeal to the fans at all, I understand that isn't the best way to run a business, but when you put a losing product out there, you cannot keep having fans spend their money on a "future investment". I'm 23 years old and been a Mets fan since day 1, so I've seen a lot of losing...

Look at the Yankees (as much as I dislike them): What did they need this offseason? A catcher, starting pitching, and some offense. They go out and get McCann, Tanaka, Ellsbury and Beltran. Yes they still have holes to their team (middle IF and bullpen) but if you are a Yankees fan, you have to be overjoyed by the offseason, they have holes and they made the effort to go out and FIX the team.

Grandy and Colon were really nice offseason signings, even Valverde and Farnsworth I can live with because they are low risk/high reward guys. However, show the fans you care. Go get Stephen Drew, maybe get Nelson Cruz to a low year contract, at least show that you somewhat want to fix your positions at need. Even if Drew sucks, at least you TRIED. As a fan, you cannot be mad at that. 

Long story short, I am tired of telling other fans "The Mets are going to be really good in 2-3 years, look at our farm system." The fact is the Mets are losing now, and a simple signing like Drew would at least make fans happy and more likely to spend money at the ballpark, it is a small investment that would most likely gain a profit. 

I'm not even an angry Mets fan or bitter or whatever word you can use. I'm just disappointed and tired of the act. End of Rant. I'm going to take a nap under my work desk now. 

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

Absolutely diabolical individual Jeff Wilpon is. I'm not even going to get into the word overspend given that its a non salary cap league, there is no such thing. But to hear him say "just to get a guy because the fans think its the right thing to do" is disgraceful. The fans, and the whole of MLB understand Drew is a massive upgrade on Tejada... so what do the fans have to do with it? Make the deal you muppet.



"You don't have to have that kind of payroll to win"....


Again, appalling. It certainly isn't required, but it absolutely helps a WHOLE lot jeffy. We aren't asking for a $200MM payroll we're asking for a fair one that reflects the ticket price and the market, $140MM is entirely reasonable, and that's nearly DOUBLE what we have currently. Last year, you charged fans $40+ for tickets in Left Field Reserve, an average seat in the park. You put out a garbage team.... don't tell me about overpaying for free agents, the only overpay is for tickets to watch a minor league team in Citi.

Sean Collins
Sean Collins

I'm so tired of reading this blog for years and not posting my thoughts about the mets. We can't have freedom of speech here because we all know comments get removed! Stop playing devils advocate bloggers! Be a rational fan without bad mouthing the team to much! The owners are using Anderson's FA evaluations as an excuse of why they don't spend money. We have to take chances on players especially with this piss poor team and payroll. I'm tired like most mets fans of being a joke! I like the farm system we have yes but nothing is a sure thing! Just give us fans a reason to be excited for once, our patience virtue is broken!

fast_eddie
fast_eddie

I see Jeff Wilpon, I cringe. I listen to Jeff Wilpon, I cringe some more. We didn't cause us to react this way, the Wilpons did. Why does it seem like they never tell the truth? Lying is not a quality you want in the owners of your favorite sports team that you have invested lots of time and money in. That said, I can't wait for opening day! What's wrong with me? Being a Mets fan is in my blood for better or worse...

Frank Tangorra
Frank Tangorra

The problem with Sandy is he says one thing and changes it the next interview. He's been doing this since he got here. I'm not all for Drew but saying SS is the main goal to upgrade and bashing Tejada doesn't make sense when he still is here. Yes they struck out with Peralta. But if the Cardinals paid him that money doesn't that say something. That's his value. We keep hearing that next years FA SS are better. That means they are going to be more expensive. And yes all the Mets did was spin Santana's and Bays money to new players not spend more. They can sugar coat it all they want. That's what they did. Jeff Wilpon has no clue how to run a baseball team. His remarks speak volume for what he really is. He was born with a golden spoon doesn't know what it means to work for a dollar. Take these guys for what they are. It's the same subjects every year. Don't spend your hard earned money going to Citi Field. Maybe one day they will get it.

David Jay
David Jay

Dear Jeff Wilpon:


You're lying. Know how i can tell? Because your mouth was open.


Eff off, you and your criminal dad both. 


You'll never sell the team. My plan is to outlive you and hope the next guy does better. But in the meantime shut up.

Joseph DeFazio
Joseph DeFazio

@John Paul Cullinane  "I'm figuring it's the fact they aren't winning...and it's not a surprise 3 of the 4 teams in the NLCS/ALCS were in the top 5 in payroll and the only one that wasn't were the Cardinals who had a $117 million payroll...so, you have to spend to get a return on your investment. "  


Exactly! 

openmind6
openmind6

@DIY Degree. Jeff sounds like the poor loser that says he only lost the game because he wasn't really trying to win anyway.

theglider5
theglider5

It was hard to say no to my Mets season tickets which I have had since '87, but I have enough with the direction of this team, and believe me, I have seen enough bad baseball during that time.

I'm not going to spend thousands to support a team that is charging big league prices and running a payroll similar to a team in Kansas City.

I will always be a Mets fan, but will follow via Tv/Radio. Does not make me any less of a fan.

metstastic
metstastic

It's risk vs reward. You risk a lot more money with free agents.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@forge344  here's the thing... McCann is a perfect fit for the Yankees and they gave him $87MM. To this Front Office and Metsblog shills, that's an 'overpay'... he got $87MM when in their accounting ledger he was really only worth ~$70MM. Long story short, the Yankees have him and he's a massive upgrade. 

selldamets
selldamets

@Kevin Connelly  He's not diabolical, he's an ignoramus. And shame on his father and uncle for putting him out there.

forge344
forge344

@Kevin Connelly They did "overpay" for him, but they realllyyyyyy needed a catcher. In today's market, almost every contract is an overpay. That's just the nature of the game. The yanks had to overpay to get him because he was the best thing out there, and now they have him. It is really annoying that the Mets cannot "overpay" for someone like Drew when he would be a nice upgrade since we have Mr.Met playing SS. 

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@selldamets no he's diabolical. He's the person in charge of ruining something that I care about deeply and does so in twisted and insulting fashion.

metstastic
metstastic

Drew is not worth it. If I was to overpay for a SS, it would be for someone in next year's SS free agent class.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@forge344 I'm agreeing, I'm saying there is no such thing as an overpay. Do what you got to do to get talent, all that matters is that the particular player is in the lineup and its an upgrade. Bad contracts only exist (like J Bay) when you have zero farm system or scouting.