Javier Baez and Addison Russell may be more realistic target than Castro

August 18: The Mets would prefer to deal for Cubs SS prospect Addison Russell over Starlin Castro, a source close to the situation told columnist John Harper (Daily News, Aug. 18).

Russell is expected to be major-league ready at some point next season, according to Harper.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: It was a year ago that I first heard from friends at Wrigley Field that Castro would cost at least Zack Wheeler, who had made just 10 or so big-league starts at the time of the conversation. In talking to people at Citi Field this past weekend, it seems that hasn’t changed. I still think Castro costs Wheeler, and probably Kevin Plawecki and Steven Matz, or some sort of combination like that. Russell, on the other hand, would probably need to be Noah Syndergaard and other pitching. In the end, it’s going to come down to who the Cubs intend to keep, deal, and what type of pitching window they’re looking to fill. This will be the dominant discussion on this blog all winter, no doubt…


August 16: In a deal with the Cubs, SS Javier Baez might be the most realistic acquisition for the Mets, a source familiar with Sandy Alderson’s plans said Friday (ESPN, Aug. 15).

The Cubs had two scouts watching Noah Syndergaard‘s start earlier this month, according to a recent report by columnist Andy Martino (Daily News, Aug. 8).


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The Mets are reportedly looking to acquire either a shortstop or left fielder in trade this winter, and Baez is considered to be among the best hitting prospects in baseball, according to a recent list by MLB.com. In addition, their big-league shortstop Castro, is hitting .286 with 13 HR and again made the All-Star team this year at just 24 years old.

Castro and Baez were both in Chicago’s starting lineup Friday night against the Mets at Citi Field.

Castro has been the subject of trade rumors since Chicago acquiredRussell from Oakland in early July; after which an anonymous member of the Mets said Castro would be a perfect fit for the Mets (Daily News, July 7).


“I know I can be a good player and I know a lot of teams can want me, but I’m here and I don’t want to leave here,” Castro told a gathering of New York reporters at Citi Field on Friday (Daily News, Aug. 16). “I think I can do more than this. I think I’ve got very good talent. I’m learning a lot. I know a lot more about this game, you know. I think I can keep playing and I think I can have a better season every year. I think I have my mind right and just be here every day and show who I am.”




142 comments
George Komninakis
George Komninakis

I do not care what we do as long as we never trade for a 2nd baseman ever again.  After Flynn, Juan Samuel, Alomar,  Castro,  i am convinced we are cursed every time we trade for a 2nd baseman!  






Brandon Hillman
Brandon Hillman

Addison Russell is the best all around of there ss prospects and the only guy I trade for. But I am not giving up thor and neither are the mets. Everyone was scouting thor in spring for gregorious and Franklin. No trade was made. Montero is probably only pitcher mets move of the young guys and that is because of his projection. As of right now he alone will not get russell. But like degrom what if the start yesterday by Montero is the beginning of a streak of similar great starts. Watch Montero value sore. Then maybe a trade is done. It did not hurt that the best start by Montero to date happened against cubs. No trades are being done today. But thor Harvey wheeler degrom and matz is probably your future rotation.

Eric Iverson
Eric Iverson

Thor for Addison Russell straight up and if cubs aren't interested then I start talking to Texas or Arizona. I would also target Cuddyer. Dude hits for cycle after being on DL for last 2 months

Ben Senecal
Ben Senecal

If I was the mets I'd in a heartbeat would jump all over Addison Russell for Syndergaard. Russell to me looks like a sure thing at short. Love everything about him as a player

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

At this point I hope the Mets just tank quickly and end up with no more than 5 teams with worse records. 

There are a few college middle infielders that have very high projections. 

http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2015-mlb-draft-early-30-college-prospects/43327 


There are currently 8 teams with worse records but after this West coast trip we can lose all but maybe 1 game we can have the 4th pick as there are a few teams that have are just a little worse record than Mets. 


I know its pathetic to root against the Mets but realistically its better off is they tank! 


Christopher Nazareno
Christopher Nazareno

Don't want starling Castro because he doesn't play all out sometimes and if ur trading with Colorado beware of damaged goods it's not worth it if u trade way a real good pitcher for a part time hitter

Christopher Nazareno
Christopher Nazareno

We wouldn't have had to look for a shortstop or give up young pitching if we had signed Jose Reyes .

hashburry
hashburry

Like Chicago is going to only look to trade with the Mets.  The Mets are so far away from being a winning ball club it is sad.  The lineup is 5 hitters away from legitimacy.  Chicago will ask for the moon for any of those guys, and Alders-stuck in the 80's- will balk and say he misread the market when Chicago trades whoever to the Dbacks or some other team.

sayhey24
sayhey24

We have a tendency to overvalue our prospects since getting rid of Ryan 40 plus years ago. None of our prospects will be close to Ryan simply because their are so few pitchers that win 20 games nowadays. If you can get a rare top flight offensive everyday player, you trade your best pitching prospect and are guaranteed to come out on top. We cannot win if we don't get some top offensive talent.

glatt79
glatt79

If we are going to trade top pitching prospects ... then I want Bryant. Put him in the outfield and let our tejada , flores, reynolds etc or free agent handle ss

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

I'm gonna need Alderson to trade Syndergaard, Montero and Plawecki for Javier Baez and Addison Russell please. PlEASE.

Blanca Recinos
Blanca Recinos

The Mets never want the best one of anything, just the cheapest.

blakes
blakes

castro has bats around him,who is    protecting him in this line up  /

drmetfan
drmetfan

Yes, the Mets do have what the Cubs need; pitching, and lots of it. But the Cubs also know they have what they need; a SS, and they have plenty of it and really good too. There is a match here but who are the Mets willing to trade to get the guy they really want? The Cubs will be greedy sellers here and ask for the world for any of their 3 young and talented SS. The Rangers too 2 SS in Andrus and Profar. A deal around Syndergaard should be able to net one of the 2. If I'm Alderson though I don't focus solely on the trading market when searching for a SS in the off season. Do some home work on the SS free agents and if affordable only go for the best available; Hanley Ramirez. Keep your pitching prospects and go after true power hitting outfielder; a Cespedes, Stanton type.

I would only trade our top pitching prospects for the best available young SS and outfielder. Good pitching is hard to find and the Mets have some very good young, talented pitchers.

iamwilpon
iamwilpon

I'm thinking about dating Kate Upton, but I think Scarlett Johansson or Blake Lively may be more realistic targets. Let's not be delusional: unfortunately, Tejada is our 2015 opening day shortstop. 

Anthony Gaetano DeCesare
Anthony Gaetano DeCesare

I think I would sign Han-Ram at SS and Aoki for the other OF spot/leadoff hitter.....keep my young pitching.

elcondor
elcondor

Current Cub CF Arismendy Arcantara played SS in the Minors, he always hit in the lower leagues, is struggling a little with the Big club. May be an option. Montero plus a prospect may get it done

J. Gomez
J. Gomez

Just thinking that if young shortstops are deemed so expensive that a #12 mlb prospects like Syndergaard is not enough, why not go the other way and just trade for a LF with power and sign a JJ Hardy type shortstop?


To a team like the Cubs, pitching should be just as important as a shortstop is for the Mets. They can either trade straight up or the Mets should focus on a LF instead.


So if Ceccinni continues to rake for the rest of the year, is he worth Giolito? 

Is Joc Peterson #16 worth more than Syndergaard at #12?

jcain316
jcain316

FREE AGENT SS for 2015 

Mike Aviles

Asdrubal Cabrera
Alex Gonzalez
JJ Hardy 
Jed Lowrie
John Mcdonald
Hanley Ramirez

J Rollins


We are not signing HanRam....thats a definite. Who on this list wows you?  Who on this list can play SS for the next 7-10 years for you?  Trading for a SS is quasi-imperative to the Mets.  Unless you tell me we sign a hold over and that Ian Desmond is guaranteed to sign with us in 2016 then we NEED a SS.  
Reading some of the proposed trades on here from fans and listening to how every one of out pitching prospects will be all world is comical.  People on hear say Baez and Addison are prospects and we can't trade for them in case they don't pan out....the same people aren't happy with Castro as a potential SS for us because he doesn't hit enough homers or doesn't steal enough bases or his defense isn't good enough.  I would be an upgrade at SS on the Mets.  We need help and if that means paying a 15-20% premium to fill a hole the size of the grand canyon on this team then so be it.  

vimets
vimets

The Cubs will give up Castro or one of there shortstop prospects in a deal with the Phillies for Cole Hamels.

nagel100
nagel100

@Brandon Hillman could not agree more.


therefore you can move niese ( a friendly contract)  Gee, Montero and add a heck of a catching prospect in KP.  that should get you a ss.


however the mets have 2 positions to fill.  SS first then LF.  


actually we are just spitting into the wind.  the Wilpons are our nightmare and that won't be ending anytime soon.

Ben Senecal
Ben Senecal

Didi Gregorious name makes me sick just reading it. Mets have had numerous shortstops like Gregorious in years past. All I hear about Gregorious is he has a good glove whoopee doo I want a shortstop that has 20:30 potential. If it takes Syndergaard to get Baez or Russell they should jump all over it.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@Brandon Hillman Owens from AZ is high on my list as AZ has DIDi G to take over if Owens is traded and AZ needs pitching and an Outfielder and Catcher. So a combination of MDD and Pawelcki might do it. Or Montero and MDD. 

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@2ndhalffun Many young players start out playing SS, it being the most important position and thus the best players go there. But many of those young SS drafted move to other positions before they reach the major leagues. Even in that article they state some of those players will not end up as major league SS.

The Mets already have 3 SS in their top 20 prospects, all have the tools to play SS. It is a matter if they can hit.

anymos
anymos

@Christopher Nazareno No, but you'd be tearing Sandy a new one for topping the Marlins offer which has him making $22M a year over the remaining three years of that contract with a $4M buyout in 2019. 

anymos
anymos

@hashburry Yeah, because we never worked a trade before, except for Marlon Byrd, Dickey, Beltran, and Ike.  But other than that- your analysis is spot on.

nagel100
nagel100

@Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno throw in Niese.  that is a must.  i still don't buy that cubs will move 2 of those guys.



one guy.  Castro is that guy only because Addison is the real deal.


Noah is out for castro but Niese, Montero and KP are not.

matmil
matmil

Very good Doc. And the question is which one of these prospects is another Nolan Ryan. The guy who if you trade him will make you cry for the next 15 years. I say Wheeler, Harvey, and DeGrom are keepers. That leaves Gee, Montero, Syndergaard and assorted bullpen arms. Should be enough to grab somebody who can help.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@drmetfan Go get Sardinas from Texas. Just turned 21 and blocked there. 

Blanca Recinos
Blanca Recinos

Agreed, as usual everything else you hear is for promotional purposes.

J. Gomez
J. Gomez

@elcondor

Why would the Mets want Alcantara? they might as well keep Flores, Tejada or Reynolds.


matmil
matmil

OK but what do you give for him? I don't think he's worth Wheeler or DeGrom. So who gets him? Gee, Montero, Black or all three?

matmil
matmil

So then Rollins is available.

rico
rico

@matmil  took Nolan Ryan a long time to become an above 500 pitcher. It took Ryan 6 years in the majors to break out.  He pitched in the majors for an amazing 27 years with these #'s 

324 wins m 292 losses,  winning %.of 526. So he only won 32 more games than he lost in 27 years.


Do you think Mets fans would wait for a player or pitcher 6 years until he hit his stride?  Answer that honestly and then you can stop talking about "the one that got away"

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

Would love to hold on to Matz also,if possible.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

I agree with this totally..Now,Alderson putting some moves in to play and the Wilpons authorizing it,a whole other story.

Agree though,Wheeler,Harvey and deGrom all keepers for sure.

elcondor
elcondor

Possible lead off batter, his 21 stolen bases in 24 attempts are intriguing . Maybe traveling under the radar as Cubs need him now in CF. He is penciled in as next years 2B with Baez moving to 3B. Bryant will come up middle of June ( that team control strategy thing) and go to LF. Thinking we will see Soler Sept. 1 as he has no restrictions. A look at Cubbies Blogs shows a lot of excitement for the future. There is a lot of young pitching around so, if the Cubbies deal they would want a premium. Thinking Phillies, O'S Mets, for starters

jcain316
jcain316

@matmil If you don't think hes worth Wheeler or Degrom than that ends the story.  Gee, Montero and Black couldn't get you Starlin Casto's autograph.


Sincerely,


Realistic Mets Fan

jcain316
jcain316

@matmil Hes a free agent at the end of this year.  Do you really want a 35 year old shortstop????

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

LMAO on the Castro autograph,friggin funny man,made me laugh,I needed that today-Thanks

J. Gomez
J. Gomez

@jcain316 @matmil You have noticed that the Cubs have Castro, Baez, Rizzo and are in what place in the standings again?


Maybe their extra shortstops can pitch? we know deGrom can. lol

matmil
matmil

Gee , Montero and Black give Chicago a pitching staff. You underestimate what pitching is worth. Realistic

matmil
matmil

Jimmy Rollins is way better than what you have now. And you don't have to marry him.

jcain316
jcain316

@matmil a 3rd or 4th starter, a bullpen arm and an unproven arm for a 3 time All Star shortstop?  SIGN ME UP.


Everyone on her is so hell bent on not trading Degrom, Harvey, Wheeler, Noah, Matz etc etc.  I guess we will be the 1st team to have an 8 man rotation.  Oh I forgot we are going to get an All Star SS and LF for COlon, Niese and Montero.


Wake up people

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

Are you seriously smoking crack right now?. You must be, to even mention Rollins as a rational option. Please stop, your ruining your life.

jcain316
jcain316

@matmil So you suggest we sign Rollins in the off-season?  A 36 year old shortstop on a decline is not even close to what the Mets need.  WOW...simply WOW

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@matmil Looks like his option for 2015 will become guaranteed (11M). Funky contract. But as long as he gets another 68 PA's this year OR isn't on the DL the last day of the year then his option for 15 becomes guaranteed.

J. Gomez
J. Gomez

@jcain316 @matmil I agree in that the Mets have to give something good in order to get the same. But I don't think that you give up 3 great prospects for a shortstop. You don't break the rotation in order to get a shortstop when you don't even know how effective Harvey will be when he comes back.


The Mets need a power bat more than they need a shortstop so if that bat is found in a LF, so be it. They can live with Flores or Reynolds next year until a Tovar type is ready.


Castro has 14 hrs playing for the Cubs. If he was playing half his games in Citi-field, how many would he have? 8,9?

matmil
matmil

I didn't say anything about Noah. Some combination of those 4 would probably get them thinking. You have to substitute numbers for talent that's how you get the better deal.

matmil
matmil

Chill out man it's a blog just throwing stuff at the wall.

matmil
matmil

I don't have anything against 36 year olds

matmil
matmil

Any harbor in a storm son

anymos
anymos

@Tarheel11 I heard like a week ago on the radio that his option already vested so he's not a FA next year- was that wrong?

jcain316
jcain316

@Tarheel11 @matmil so whats the over under the Philly Fanatic attacks him with a fungo bat the last week of the season so he goes on the DL?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@matmil And if option does not vest the Phillies still hold an 8M option for next year on him. 

jcain316
jcain316

@J. Gomez @jcain316 @matmil Love the internet.....his average HR is 391 feet, not a lot of cheap shots there.  Citifield isn't as crappy a HR park as we all think it is.  Just look what teams with real HR hitters fdo there

matmil
matmil

If I'm the Cubs I think I would go for Gee, Montero and Black.

Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno
Eddie Bad-Man Cedeno

@matmil of course you are, did you think i meant that in a serious tone? im not so sure im the one who needs to "Chill out". Be well.

jcain316
jcain316

@matmil you would also be the shortest tenured GM in Cubs history if you did that