Ike Davis 2 (Baron)

James Loney to re-sign with Rays, market for Ike Davis thin?

The Brewers intend to move quickly to get a first baseman (Haudricourt, Dec. 12), and they have interest in Mets 1B Ike Davis.


5:24 pm: Free agent 1B James Loney has agreed to sign with the Tampa Bay Rays (Olney), for three years and $21 million (Rosenthal).

The market for Davis is perceived as thin and the Mets could be forced to “sell low” on Davis, according to industry sources (Puma, Dec. 13), leaving open the possibility of Davis returning to the Mets in 2014.

The Mets might also consider trading Lucas Duda instead of Davis if they can get a better return (Puma, Dec. 13).

On Thursday, in the lobby while leaving the Winter Meetings, Mets GM Sandy Alderson and Brewers GM Doug Melvin were seen talking (Rubin, Dec. 12), leading to speculation that they were discussing Davis (Cotillo, Dec. 12).

On Thursday, it was reported the Rays and Brewers were looking to ink Loney, and team that doesn’t sign him will probably end up acquiring Davis (Rubin, Dec. 11).

In talks for Davis, the Mets asked the Brewers for RHP Tyler Thornburg (McCalvy, Dec. 11Duquette, Dec. 10), but he is currently ticketed for Milwaukee’s fifth starter slot (Haudricourt, Dec. 12).

Also, on Wednesday, the Mariners acquired 1B Corey Hart and 1B Logan Morrison, which led to speculation they could push to move 1B Justin Smoak (Sherman, Dec. 11), which would could further complicate the market for Davis.




359 comments
Peter Buell
Peter Buell

for this to be a successfuloff season they need to bring in a good shortstop. There are enough? In the lineup as it is. If they need to trade some of their pitching depth then so be it. I would love to get Segura from the Brewers.. he is young with a solid year and a half of near 300 hitting

jonathanl
jonathanl

The guy hit 32 home runs the year before last. I'm worried we'll end up trading him for a minor league scrub and he'll end up becoming a superstar.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

keep ike davis  ,,  and stop trying to trade murphy,,,,,   he was our 2nd best hitter last year and he was always in the lineup,,,, bottom line  this is major market they trying to trade murphy to save money for a pitcher,, you will lose his offence not to  bright,,, trade freddy and his side kick jeffy

chasesimms
chasesimms

I cannot imagine why the market is thin for a guy who hits .140 and strikes out 75% of the time.  Who could have saw this coming?!

John Hooton
John Hooton

take what you can get for Davis and DuDa so we can move along move faster about it

Nick Franzago
Nick Franzago

What was the outcome of the mets scouting erisbel arruebarruena? That was a week ago and we haven't heard anything since? And what about this other defector, aledyms Diaz? I think he might be higher rated than arruebarruena. I'm not sold on either of these two, but you can't ignore the talent that has been coming over lately. Any news on these guys in connection with nym?

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

The Mets cannot go into next year with both Davis and Duda, they can only keep one.  Both need playing time and both need to be at first base.  Duda is a liability in the outfield and it clearly affected his offense as he started to hit the ball better once he moved to first.  Not to mention, with the offseason acquisitions, there is no room for Duda in the outfield.  Personally, I'd trade Davis.  Yeah, I see him being the better player if both were to reach their potential, but he is not going to do it on the Mets.  If they hold onto him his trade value will decrease even further and maybe become non existent.  They might have to sell low at this point but it seems to be the best case scenario right now.   

Michael Vincent DiPaula
Michael Vincent DiPaula

this is great news did not want Matt Joyce good player but we don't need him. We need a SS and a pitcher hopefully we can get Tyler Thornburg that would be 4 #1's  in the rotation when Harvey comes back. Listening to the Brewers G.M though they are really high on Tyler compared him to Michael Wacha so it will cost Davis,Montero and another prospect.If this goes down our 2015 rotation will be:

Harvey 

Wheeler

Thornburg

Syndergaard

Colon/Neise

maxster
maxster

Dump Duda, Tejada, Davis and sign Morales to play 1st. Trade DenDekker, Familia, DeGrom for SS. Lets play ball.

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

Ike won't be moved. It might turn out for the best. When Ike has struggled he was batting 4th and was the mets second best hitter. We relied on him to hit 30/100 to be competitive. This year he can hit 6th. Maybe that will take some pressure off of him and he can thrive. Who knows, but I've always disliked Duda. Let's put a package of B prospects and Duda for a SS

roman411
roman411

I was really hoping to wake up to a story about (at least) Ike being traded. Guess not.

#MetsBummer

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

everyone on here bashed Ike during the regular season,and now you guys are complaining that you don't wanna deal him.


I'd trade him for the right deal.

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

I think with this ike stuff, we trade him to the brewers most likely we end up with a rp...probably henderson or kotzler, they keep talking aboyt a rp with closing experience, so I lean towards henderson.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

alen hanson SS (AA) - for pit looks interesting - hes at least 1 more year away if not 2. 


But Chris Owings - would be a good fit I think.

queva
queva

Looks as if we're stuck with Ike.

Chris Orio
Chris Orio

If they don't get anything good in return, they should just have them both compete for the 1B spot in spring training.  The one that loses gets released.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

What happens when we get rid of Davis? A Duda/Satin platoon is not the answer. Even if we trade Davis to free up money for a SS, 1st is still a black hole.

supert
supert

Amazing all these ppl wanting to keep Ike, but bashed him every waking moment here the last two seasons.

Frank Accardi
Frank Accardi

I think we need to keep davis we are not going anywhere this year .,,,davis can still be a impact bat

Johnny Watts
Johnny Watts

I mentioned syndergaard,ike and tapia for segura but got hosed by everybody on this blog.

gloveman
gloveman

@Frank Accardi I agree on Murphy, but one of the first basemen has to go. Too many there. personally I'm torn between Davis or Duda, but we just can't go into the season with as many first basemen as we have.

gloveman
gloveman

@chasesimms God knows if he was a free agent someone would give him a ridiculous contract though. Seems to be all the rage!

niesesnose
niesesnose

Erisbel really doesn't project to be a very good bat. He's very Tejada like

airfeet
airfeet

@Chad MichaelI don't buy that Duda actually hit better after he moved to first base.  In what, September?  That doesn't mean anything

ac0814
ac0814

Also, expect Matz to make a strong case next season in A+ and AA, and be on the horizon for 2015.

Could you imagine if Syndergaard is all he's chalked up to be, and Matz pans out to be a legit number 3 starter?

Harvey

Syndergaard

Niese

Wheeler

Matz

Madonna Mia....

Our bulpen would be filled with guys who didn't make the rotation (Gee, Mejia, Thornburg, etc).

niesesnose
niesesnose

Thornburg isn't a Michael Wacha, he's a back end if the rotation guy. Think Dillon Gee

niesesnose
niesesnose

Den Dekker familia and DeGrom have little value

niesesnose
niesesnose

It's gonna be Montero + a low level pitcher not named Ynoa or Fullmer for Chris Owings

niesesnose
niesesnose

Dude it's only December there's plenty of Time lol

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@Mlb GM I don't think there is any chance the Pirates give up Hanson unless it is for a solid minor,or major leauge player.


As for Owings he would be a good fit,and he is cheap. I think it would take a moderate package to land him

ac0814
ac0814

They can address 1b at the deadline, or next offseason. I'd be content with this offseason if we filled 95% of our needs.

dexx
dexx

@Bryan McEntee Really?  Look at Duda's numbers vs RHP & look at Satin's vs LHP and tell me how you can possibly come to that conclusion.

Skyking
Skyking

@supert I recall David Wright going through the same thing. Everyone wanted Wright gone.

Dan Bahr
Dan Bahr

@Frank AccardiA gauge of how valuable Ike is can be seen in the fact that he is the last 1B free agent that anyone wants.

niesesnose
niesesnose

Why are we not going anywhere this year?

niesesnose
niesesnose

Don't forget Mike Fullmer and Gabriel Ynoa!

airfeet
airfeet

@niesesnosewhat a horrible comment.  Thornburg is nothing like Gee.  He sits in the mid 90s with his fastball.  He's a power pitcher while Gee is a finesse guy.  No validity to your comment at all.

ac0814
ac0814

Still very valuable.

I'd settle for 3 number 1's and 2 number 3's with your 6th and 7th (potenitally [Montero]) starter a number 3 type as well.

I have to believe Montero will be dealt for Owings or Gregorious. One could only hope, at least. I'd hate to see Montero and his potential go, but I'd love to bring in a SS with serious offensive upside.

bunky
bunky

@niesesnose  
Duda, it's only December there's plenty of Time lol

Fixed it for ya. ;-)

airfeet
airfeet

@dexxthese guys playing a full time platoon will get exposed though.  You are wrong

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

@niesesnoseWe'll go places. I mean, they play away games so the team will have to travel, but if you mean the playoffs, no, we aren't going anywhere this year, with or without Ike.

niesesnose
niesesnose

I mean yes he's got good stuff, I really like his curve, but there are questions as to if he can consistently start as he's only about 5'11 190. I still really like his stuff, but right now I'd say he's a Gee type pitcher.

airfeet
airfeet

@ac0814Thornburg's upside is higher than a back end guy.  I think his upside is #2 starter.  He was the Brewers #1 prospect a year ago

ac0814
ac0814

I think he was comparing their upside, not so much their stuff.

slainte2
slainte2

Tell that to billy beane. Oakland platooned a bunch last year... Worked out well

slainte2
slainte2

Great comment. Ike was lost last year ... Ok to HOPE he'll be better, but to THINK he will be better needs a reason ... I don't see any.

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

@niesesnose I was thinking 83. You may get a surprise if Colon pitches well.


acquire a ss,and a bat at the deadline can make this team


85-88 wild card talk now.

Bob Wolfe
Bob Wolfe

@dumdeeduda Colon is 40 and will be 41 in May. He's old enough, so let's not make him any older than he is.

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Every year each team goes into the season with a certain number of question marks. The teams for which most of those questions are answered positively, generally have good seasons. The Mets just have too many question marks for me to think that there will 4 be enough that turn out well for them. Can d'Arnaud be healthy and productive? Sure. Can Duda turn into a legitimate 1B? Why not. Can Granderson hit 35 HRs in Citi? It's possible. Can CY turn back the clock to 2011? It's not outlandish to think he can. Can Niese and Gee replicate what they did in the second half last year? It will be tough, but yeah, they can. Can Colon be just as good at 40? The Mets seem to think so. Can mejia hold down a fifth starter spot? He certainly has the talent to do it. Can the bullpen find some guys to step forward into important roles? I certainly hope so. Can all those things happen? Yes. Will they ALL happen? Probably not. And, even if they do, so you really think that's enough for them to be a playoff contender?

gothamsane
gothamsane

Has Travis played a full season in the last three?

gothamsane
gothamsane

@Robby ...

I think you might be projecting.

gothamsane
gothamsane

You are projecting? ... Just look into the mirror ... Thinking before you post?

Try kissing your woman, reduced anger for me ..

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

The braves didn't need to get much better. They just are better. Even without Hudson and McCann, they have a better team than the Mets. If their OF bounces back at all, they'll be a great team. If not, they'll just be good. Either way, better than us.

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

And yet, Sandy has said both that they don't view EY as a 2b and that he is more than a 4th OF.

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Byrd didn't do that good? He was great. He was top ten in SLG. Granderson is better, but granderson isn't likely to be better than Byrd's career year. D'Arnaud hasn't played 70 games in a season since 2011. Are you sure Wheeler will only get better? You've never seen someone regress? How has gee been consistent? He got hurt and missed most of 2012. He was below average prior to that. Last year was the aberration. Niese tore his rotator cuff last year. No telling what long term effect that has. As for EY, him starting over lLagares isn't a good thing. This team has a ton of question marks. Some will be answered positively, but a lot won't. They literally need every single guy on their team to be as good as they can be for them to be a .500 team. That's not a good sign.

I'm not assuming these things. The injuries are real. CY's awful 2013 is real. eY's career lack of production is real. Duda getting demoted last year was real. I'm not making this stuff up. I'm not assuming Colon is 40. He is. I'm not assuming Parnell had neck surgery. He did. I'm not assuming Hawkins left. He's gone.

niesesnose
niesesnose

I'm sure Sandys smart enough to realize Lagares is exponentially better than EY

Jon Forsyth
Jon Forsyth

EY is not starting over lagaras, get your facts straight, although everything else I agree with lol

niesesnose
niesesnose

Boy I sure hope EY isn't starting over Lagares. EY isn't even a really good leadoff hitter, he only had a .318 OBP. Lagares is the superior player

LastSaneMetsFan
LastSaneMetsFan

How did the Braves get much better? They lost McCann and Hudson... The Nats did improve and are the likely division winners. I understand what you're saying about tejada and duda. Now Darnaud may not have a world beater year but he is a legit catching prospect and it'll be nice to finally get to see him play. And to see wheeler develop, maybe a Thor and montero call up. Last year our outfield was a wasteland offensively and defensively (minus the Byrd bright spot). Lagares picked it up in the second half and having that defense in centerfield for the whole year is huge. We didn't buy 5 all stars this offseason, get over it. But that outfield defensively was massively upgraded. Granderson is big improvement over Byrd and while I hated the young signing at first it has started to grown on me. We need a SS and a 1B. If they get one of Arizona's SS we'll be vying for a wild card.

dumdeeduda
dumdeeduda

Right now, the lineup has Tejada, C. Young, Duda/Satin, Lagares and d'Arnaud. I'm not confident any of those guys will put up an above ML average season. That's 5/8 of your lineup. Granderson, even in a pretty good year, isn't going to hit like Byrd did last year. Gee, Niese and Mejia have all missed significant time in the last two seasons due to injury. Colon is 40 something. They lost Hawkins who was their only reliable reliever last year. Parnell still isn't cleared for baseball activity. Ohh, and the Nats and Braves are much better and in the division. Even if I thought this was a .500 team, which I don't, that's still not good enough to make the playoffs.

niesesnose
niesesnose

What makes you think Ike can do that? His swing is an absolute disaster. He's not a guy you can look at and say, "Oh, he's got a small hole in his swing but it's not something that can't be fixed" because he has multiple holes. He has way too much movement, can't hit a breaking ball. But anyway, I'd say there's a good chance they acquire one of Arizona's young shortstops

niesesnose
niesesnose

Why? They played 50-49 after Wheeler's callup even thought they lost Harvey and Wright. They've improved the outfield and the starting pitching. Even though we've lost Harvey, guys like Torres/Laffey likely won't be making starts. The bullpen really only needs an arm or two. A platoon of duds and satin is better than Davis. This team is about an 81 or 82 win team right now, and can be better if they get a SS