Jacob deGrom is coming close to his innings limit

Mets rookie RHP Jacob deGrom has logged 119 innings this season between Triple-A and the Mets.

According to multiple reports, the organization will cap him at 185 total innings this season, meaning he has roughly 10 starts left in 2014.


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“As we all know, fatigue is what leads to injuries,” Terry Collins said Tuesday, when asked how the team intends to handle deGrom down the stretch of the season. “We don’t need to have another Matt Harvey on our hands.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The buzz around the Mets seems to be pointing to two options, assuming deGrom is still pitching well, which I’m sure he will be:

1) Move him to the bullpen for his last 10 innings or so, which would start around early September, but only use him in games on his throw day, or… 2) put him on a strict pitch count and innings limit per start, say no more than four or five innings, which would help spread his remaining innings out over the final nine weeks of the season, or… 3) let him go as is, and totally shut him down, probably in late August.

In my view, No. 3 is not an option. I don’t want this kid idle for so long before starting his off-season regiment. No. 2 worries me, mostly because I don’t really understand how it would work. I think an awesome solution would be to promote Noah Syndergaard, who will be on a similar limitation, and pitch them together (three to four innings each) on the same day. It would be the Noah deGrom Day, so to speak, and it’d be fun to watch…


In this QuickCast, SNY’TV’s Robert Brender talks with deGrom about his success this season…




72 comments
matt greco
matt greco

...because these innings limits have done such a great job preventing injuries.  just let the kid pitch, for christ's sake.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

innings limits... things that make you lose a pitcher when healthy and does zip in stopping injury later. it really is self defeating

Shawn M. Milburn
Shawn M. Milburn

The Cardinals or the Giants were in the World Series from 2010 thru 2013 and they both had great young pitching. Aside from Wainwright missing all of 2012, they never lost pitchers or put them on innings limits. Harvey and Strasburg blew out their arms cause they throw hard sliders. deGrom throws a normal slider with a nice curveball to compliment his fastball. I disagree with a pitching limit if you're in a pennant race, which the Mets aren't. Easy thing to solve, come September bring up Matz, Syndergaard and Montero and deGrom can rest with no problem

stage52
stage52

They need to concentrate on playing good baseball instead of this bull that would never pass the mustard in years past.  This garbage is what is ruining what is good about this game.  Too much management.


 

WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

"“As we all know, fatigue is what leads to injuries,” "  Then why did the "old timers", 50's, '60's and '70's pitchers go every 4th day and routinely pitch 200-300 innings per year? With nowhere near the injuries these young guys do today?

And why an inning count? Wouldn't a pitch count (if you have to have anything) be more correct? An inning can be 6 pitches, or 36, or anywhere in between. Ridiculous.

upstater
upstater

What's the big deal? Mets have 59 games left. If he starts 1/5, and goes 6 innings each time, that would be 12 innings over the limit. So skip the last 2. No news here.

Chris Orio
Chris Orio

I Like Your Idea.  It's the best way to ease in Syndergaard into the big leagues.  Can You talk to Sandy Alderson about this?


Use our pitching depth as an advantage down the stretch.  This philosophy could change the game, just think if you had 2 starters for each game pitching 4 innings a piece.  It would be easier on arms.  What do You think?

Chris Orio
Chris Orio

I Like Your Idea.  It's the best way to ease in Syndergaard into the big leagues.  Can You talk to Sandy Alderson about this?

How about playing degrom at shortstop and interchanging him throughout the game with another pitcher

specialk
specialk

I don't get how he's got 10 more starts left yet if they let him continue to be a starter he'd be shut down at the end of August.  That's only a month away so he'd have about 6 more starts before the end of August leaving him with about 4 more and about 25-30 left.  Am I missing something?

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

You Came up with a great idea-I like the combination

wingo43
wingo43

10 more starts is "coming to a close"?

qualcomm
qualcomm

How long ago was his TJ surgery?

qualcomm
qualcomm

C'mon Matt, what is this, entertainment or something? ;)

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

This is total bulls..t!!!! Its no wonder they are in 4/5th place. This Collins is a total idiot. Alderson too.

eric88
eric88

And Colon is coming close to his Dounut limit.

Cris MaddGenius Eastmond
Cris MaddGenius Eastmond

i'd love to make the playoffs with Long Hair winning RoY. But this is one of the few situations where i trust the organizational plan. if you told him he had x inning this year. pitch him till he hits x, then shut him down.

Steve C Schumacher
Steve C Schumacher

Why not just spread his starts out over a longer period - instead of every 5th day pitch him every 6th day. The kid - not really a kid he is 25 -can this way get his starts in and sta y in a regular routine through the end of the season. Fill in with Dice-K to fill out the rotation ....

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

Terry, you are absurd. If the Mets get in a pennant race, you are going to pull your best pitcher? He already had TJ surgery and you're worried about him getting it again???? ARE YOU PEOPLE F'N NUTS???????

Jeff Robins
Jeff Robins

Would people please forget about trading or otherwise not including Niese in the starting rotation? HE'S THE ONLY LEFTY. You can't go with an all righty rotation.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

So in other words Mets fans, any chance this team has of making the second wild card just went out the window.

Joe Clark
Joe Clark

Stop babying these guys is option four. If he gets tired pull him. If not let him pitch he is 25 years playing baseball four a living.

Russ Sullivan
Russ Sullivan

I'm fine with them shutting him down soon. We know he's the real deal and we aren't going anywhere this season. So just shut the door. Next season opening day starters. Harvey Wheeler Degrom Syndegaard Neise or Gee. Or even dare I say it. Mejia. As good as he is as a closer he does not want to be there. If that staff can stay healthy it can rival one of the best staffs in baseball

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

When deGrom reaches his pitching limit, he should become a spectator for the rest of the season. TC stick to the program and protect Jacob from injury by overuse.

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

Terry Collins:  “We don’t need to have another Matt Harvey on our hands.”


I think we'd actually all LOVE to have another Matt Harvey on the Mets.


(I do know what Terry meant, but this was just odd phrasing).

oddmanrush
oddmanrush

This kind of stuff is ridiculous.


So, if the Mets were in the midst of a playoff hunt (Ha!), and deGrom comes up pitching lights out, what kind of message do you send the fanbase by removing him from the rotation because of an innings limit right before the playoffs and not let him play in October?

sell
sell

The idea that startin him to go 4 innings so he can pitch until the end of the season is a terrible one. Whether he throws 4 or 7, the effort and prep going into any start would tax him too heavily. I'd keep him going as is until 185 then done, see ya next year. Dont worry, it won't ruin our playoff chances.

Mau Agudelo
Mau Agudelo

Yet u still think this team can still make the playoffs having a platoon a starting pitcher?

Jeff Morrow
Jeff Morrow

This team just invents ways to shoot themselves in the foot.

James T. O'Brien
James T. O'Brien

Over the years there have been lots of guys who were effective for 4-5 innings.  The Mets have had their share.  I've often wondered why they didn't pair them.  It wouldn't kill the bullpen.  You could pair deGrom with Matsuzaka even.  Since wins don't mean much anymore, that should not be an issue.  It would be fairly similar to a lefty-righty platoon on the field. 

Patrick Cooley
Patrick Cooley

Innings limits work. Just ask guys like Strassburg.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

Matt Harvey was on a 170 inning limit the year before his TJ year and that clearly did the trick.

Steve Barbato
Steve Barbato

KB was just reporting last night that if he goes 6 innings in every start that he can go about 10-12 more starts so this report see strange. He's already had TJS once in his career, so they're naturally gun shy with innings. He's also 26 and not a baby

James
James

@upstater He will end up skipping at least 3 since he will pitch more than 6 innings per game on average (he averages 6.5 innings per game).  He pitches 7 per he only gets 8 starts which means he misses September and is exactly what the article is talking about (shutting him down at the end of Aug/early Sept).

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@upstater  How does Terry even know DeGrom will be "tired?" What is so magical about the number 170? Does Terry even have a clue what he is talking about? We've seen pitchers get hurt before they even get to their innings limit.

Alex Mirabito
Alex Mirabito

@Chris Orio I think you would run into roster size issues. Unless pitchers could go every 3-4 days instead of 5.


Also, the dilemma of what to do in the 5th inning when a starter hasn't allowed a run or hit.

mets2891
mets2891

You're talking about the Mets in a pennant race, perhaps you should look in the mirror.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@mrmet4mvp  Except Matt never got a chance to go over any innings limit so Terry doesn't know what the heck he is talking about.

Sh Alexander
Sh Alexander

@oddmanrush You send the message that you care more about the long term viability of the franchise than you care about getting to a one game playoff. That's a pretty good message to send, I think.

sell
sell

A Washington Nationals kind of message.

Vee!
Vee!

@James T. O'Brien could you imagine the novel solution to 7 viable starters? have them pitch 5 innings at a time haha


That's rather silly, but at the same time...I mean why not?

sell
sell

deGrom has already had TJ surgery, thank God.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

So if he had TJ surgery once before chances of getting it again are slim to none. Ride the kid.

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@mets2891 Notice the use of the word "IF." To make this announcement now is a serious red flag to the team about the motivations of the management. It tells the players they have nothing to play for because their best pitcher will be "tired."

cleonsvan
cleonsvan

@sell  That worked out real well for them. Strasburg got hurt anyways.

A lot of pitchers have had to have seconds

shinjoooo
shinjoooo

Strasburg was hurt before that decision.

#FreeWilmer
#FreeWilmer

Bartolo Colon has seconds almost every meal!