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Jacob deGrom had a rough night

Jacob deGrom has yet to win a game, despite seven big-league starts, but he is not in jeopardy of losing his spot in the starting rotation, Terry Collins said after Monday’s loss to the Cardinals.

“He’s got to learn when to be able to get them off the plate and when to not have to throw a strike,” Collins explained. “He’s going to keep running out there, so he’s going to get better and better.”

DeGrom allowed six straight baserunners before being pulled form the game in the fifth inning.

“You’ve got to make pitches against a team as good as they are,” Collins said. “It was one of those nights, I thought he was OK.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The concern I’ve had for deGrom, which I talked about last week, is that, while he gets a lot of strikeouts, the opposition puts a lot of balls in play – worse, when he’s pitching behind in the count, like he’s been doing lately, they hit the ball hard. And, at the big-league level, that leaves way too much room for error. There will be nights the ball is caught, and there will be nights when the ball drops in. And, when the ball drops in, like Monday against the Cardinals, he’s going to struggle.




69 comments
Anthony Joseph
Anthony Joseph

The kid is prob in his own head. If he's not near perfect he knows he'll lose cuz they don't score runs.

Christian Pezzuti
Christian Pezzuti

The Mets would never have spent the money it would have taken to keep babe ruth or derek jeter so it would not have mattered.

Greg Dee
Greg Dee

Don't have to tell me. If Babe Ruth or Derek Jeter were Mets no one would even know who they were.

Jack Kratzer
Jack Kratzer

So much for the deep pitching Chris Metzler!

WoodsideNative
WoodsideNative

Another who comes in and fireballs for 2-3 games, then comes crashing down to earth. Natural or does Warthen get to them that quick and change things like with Harvey?

Doubleday
Doubleday

NEED TO KNOW:  We're really not good.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

I wouldn't be shocked if deGrom ends up being sent back to AAA by the time Gee is finally able to rejoin the rotation. He seems to be on a downward trajectory back down to earth. He wasn't good in his 2 starts before last night where he was bad and got smacked around. Dice K has been really good and obviously Colon, Niese and Wheeler (even though he hasn't been great either) aren't going anywhere.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Question..if you were GM what would be your first move with this Mets team as it is now?

cver
cver

The sad thing about this team is this.  It's hard to imagine that there are really so few members of our major and minor league rosters with as little talent as is being presently exhibited, so we have to assume that, at least at the major league level, that the coaching is very very poor!  Having a guy like Terry Collins even talk about players that might actually have a lot of promise, let alone guiding their every move, it's criminal.  Then, there is the medical and training staff.  I beyond wince when I read Collins talking about de Grom

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

He's not good enough. That's why he doesn't have a win.

Zach Goeringer
Zach Goeringer

Why are we analyzing a guys off speed pitches during his 7th start in the majors when we have 9 different guys out there every day that are allergic to scoring runs? We have much bigger problems than Jacob Degrom hanging sliders.

Bob Burket
Bob Burket

deGrom got a lot of pitches up last night and was behind in the count. Pitching 101. Get ahead and move the ball around the zone. If it was easy, everyone would do it.

hashburry
hashburry

deGrom needs to work on his slider.  That seems to be the pitch he gets hurt on most, as it is too flat and he leaves it up in the middle of the plate.  having said that, Teagarden is terrible at calling pitches.  On the ESPN broadcast, they showed Craig's hot zone when deGrom had him 0-2 and it was clear he goes the other way.  If the Mets scouting was on, he would have come inside, but Teagarden called for a slider away which deGrom threw right in a spot where Craig hits like .400, and Craig deposits it in right field for the first run of the game. 

His stuff is good enough, and he will get better at this level, I would guess, unlike Wheeler who seems to have terrible mechanics and is so similar to Pelfrey it is scary in terms of a low pitching IQ.

Metsnow
Metsnow

I have no concerns with this guy at all. He looks real good and will only get better! If the Mets actually hit the ball and score some runs he could have at least 3 wins already. We need hitters.....PLEASE!!! Enough already with Duda; Tejada; C Young etc......

rico
rico

he seems to be pitching a little scared. when he came up he looked all world.


what I think was more damning was his pitches were too high in the strike zone and looked like hamburgers to hitters.

mesmo
mesmo

IMO, none of these young guys knows how to finish off a hitter. They repeatedly get ahead in the count and then proceed to start nibbling...

I know you have to expand the strike zone, but sometimes you just have to challenge the batter. I mean, none of these opposing hitters are batting 1.000, although it does feel that way sometimes. You can be successful by pitching to contact, especially if you don't have an out pitch. But then you would need excellent defensive play...

rf04
rf04

A good start followed by a bad start - that's the way young pitchers learn. Sometimes it's 2 bad starts in a row, sometimes it's 3 good ones. deGrom and Wheeler, and later this year Montero and Syndergaard - it's gonna take a while for each of them to get it. Gee is just finally coming into his own. Harvey is an anomaly. Pitching will be good for us for a while, you'd think.

Now maybe if they could get a run or 2 of support, they could relax a bit.

metspete
metspete

I kid you not. Today, June 17th, 2014 is National Garbage Man Day. Lets light the candles on the cake for ownership and the front office.

Beth Zatkowsky
Beth Zatkowsky

ddegrom until the cards game looked good. he just didnt have som of his pitches thats all hell be fine

Beth Zatkowsky
Beth Zatkowsky

wrong. degrom and montero only pitching 3 years..wheeler has great stuff needs to controll the wildness. they arent medicore. youre just spoiled what harvey did in 13. now do you know how hell really be in 15 post surgery

bigdirty
bigdirty

keep sending him out there. If nothing else he could be a good bullpen arm downt the road. 

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Despite the fact that deGrom was off last night, he held his composure and did his best to control the ball. Based on what we've seen so far, he'll do a good job for the Mets.

Zach14
Zach14

This guy is much better than Jeremy Hefner.

Danny Tortorella
Danny Tortorella

Albert that is crazy. Mchugh is really pitching solid for the Astros and has done t against some solid lineups. Was a good shot to take with that trade though we have so many young pitchers and EY if used right on a good team is a asset to have. Problem is we stink and he plays regularly which he should not be doing

ctsteve
ctsteve

This year's Mets team seems capable of one thing....sucking the "promise" out of every young prospect that comes up.  Hard to tell what these kids would be like if the Mets could hit with some regularity and keep pitchers in the game instead of putting them behind the eight ball almost every time out.  I am not sure even Tanaka could survive playing with this lame squad.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Colin McHugh has the league hitting .193 against him as a starter and that's with the Houston Astros...funny how he got better after he left here.

Danny Tortorella
Danny Tortorella

Greg Dee. Your 100% wrong. Busts. Fans like you with all the negative junk. You don't call anyone a just before a full season sometimes longer. A Harvey comes along once a decade if you're lucky

ken1010
ken1010

@WoodsideNative 

When watching DeGrom, think of an early Dillon Gee or John Niese.  Both had inconsistency at first, some good games, some bad ones, and both rounded out into solid pitchers.  DeGrom seems to have the stuff and attitude to go that path.  I just hope the lack of hitting behind him doesn't get to him.

mesmo
mesmo

Word gets around the league fast. The hitters know to lay off the first few pitches and wait for the meatball... Or deGrom is tipping his pitches. That news gets around fast. Oh, and Warthen...

ken1010
ken1010

@Albert E Lewis

Fire Collins and hire Jose Oquendo to manage the team.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@rico I'm sure the guy is friggin pitching scared.  He's probably terrified.  I would be too if every time I took the mound I knew I had to throw a shut-out in order to even have a chance.

rf04
rf04

@metspete Garbage men do their job and get results. If they did not, you would know it. Please don't insult them by putting them in a metaphor with Mets ownership.

mesmo
mesmo

DeGrom and all the Mets pitchers are getting tight because they know that with absolutely zero run support they need to be spot on perfect. Give up one run and you've most likely lost the game. This offense isn't going to come back for them.

the idea that they play hard for Collins is just something Terry tells himself so he can sleep at night without his conscience bothering him.

mesmo
mesmo

I like deGrom's potential very much. While I was never excited by Hefner, I thought that he was a pleasant surprise once he began to find his groove. It's too bad he got hurt just as it was coming together for him. So while Hefner was never 'sexy', he was very useful and should be a good trade piece once he's recovered.

rf04
rf04

@Zach14 That remains to be seen. He does have better stuff for sure.

rf04
rf04

@Albert E Lewis It takes time to develop. Although, it's probably easier to develop away from the NY media. Not the Mets fault, however.

Vincent Santiago
Vincent Santiago

@Albert E Lewis oh stop. The guy had great stuff he just could not harness it and was a complete mental case. He's obviously figured himself out and he's still playing for a loser. 

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@Vincent SantiagoHe may be playing for a loser but he has pitched well...better than some of our starters.How do you know he was a mental case? Know him personally?