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It’s not up to you, the fan, whether payroll goes up or down

In a Q&A with season ticket holders Saturday afternoon at Citi Field, Sandy Alderson answered questions about the fan’s role in the organization increasing payroll.

“Look, what I have said on many occasions is it’s not up to you to come and create a situation where we can improve our payroll,” he explained, attempting to clarify comments that led fans to feel the opposite is true. “We need to play better with what we have. And, I don’t define that in terms of payroll, but with the players that we have.”

Alderson said he has the ability to raise payroll, but intends to do it only when the team is in a position to realistically fight for a playoff spot, whether in season or in the off season.

“I really do believe that we are close,” he said. “So, let’s focus on what we have between now and the trade deadline. Let’s see where we are. And then in the offseason, that’s another question you can ask me and I’ll have to answer again, for sure.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

In regards to his first response, most fans and almost all radio hosts, columnists and reporters seem to skip the first step, hearing, “You have to come watch a bad team before we actually spend some money on players,” as Adam Rubin said in late May on an ESPN podcast (ESPN, May 28)

As I said last month, the way I hear this, and the way I’ve always heard this, is that Alderson expects fans to start buying tickets when the team’s young pitching begins to finally deliver wins, at which point revenue will go up, at which point he’ll have more money to spend on payroll, which should help get more wins, which will increase revenue, which will continue to increase payroll, and so on, and so on… His answer to fans this past Saturday seems to support this.

Now, don’t misunderstand me, I’m not saying I expect him to follow through. He may, he may not. I don’t know. This remains to be seen. All I’m saying is, in regards to the messaging, the focus seems to be first be on winning with less, which will fuel spending, as opposed to an increase in attendance being expected to come first. Whether or not this will work is a whole other debate…

 




264 comments
evrybdyluvsant
evrybdyluvsant

@metsblog There is absolutely no accountability. The Wilpon's, Sandy, Terry. They have had no success and continually get away with it.

Chino7671
Chino7671

This Q&A was an unprecedented disaster. We all know the Wilpons are culprit #1 behind the myriad reasons for the state of The Mess but this kind of arrogance, inability to properly evaluate talent and the sense of entitlement to a job by a GM who has nothing to show for four years on the job is completely unacceptable. It's outrageous. He needs to go now. 

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

We'll make you a deal, Sandy.  Get us a legitimate major-league-quality starter at 1B and SS and get us an above-average bullpen and we will fill up Citi Field.

Scrubs
Scrubs

" Alderson expects fans to start buying tickets when the team’s young pitching begins to finally deliver wins."  This will be quite a feat what with 8 sock puppets behind them. This circular logic ties me up and arrests me. 

Matt - 

I've seen several stories about the increase in TV revenue that EVERY team got this past year due to the new tv deals with FOX, ESPN and TBS. The numbers I read were over 25 mill PER team. IF that is true then Alderson and WIlpon have absolutely no credibility on this topic. Why would anyone believe that they'll increase the payroll when attendance goes up when they decreased the payroll after receiving an additional 25 mill? I like Alderson but I think he's not giving a straight answer. I'm SHOCKED that the NY media never even asks the tough questions about their finances. 

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

I thought Sandy was supposed to be a pretty intelligent guy? He seems to say a lot of stupid things that he then has to clarify later. Like a few months ago when he though the team could win 90 games or his current statement. He says a lot of dumb stuff

Greg Lambert
Greg Lambert

The young pitchers are pitching good enough to win games but the offense is not scoring enough runs to help them out. You can not realistically expect the pitchers to pitch a shutout every time out there and they will NEVER win unless the team starts spending on offense,

Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

What exactly are they really close to????

Roger Caruthers
Roger Caruthers

So, what you mean to say is...the Mets are the new Pirates. I mean the "old pirates." The ones that lost 20 years in a row.

Edwin Melendez
Edwin Melendez

No matter how Sandy Alderson spins it, no one is buying that thay are going to increase payroll.  To say that they will increase payroll when this team is in contention for a playoff spot is saying you are not going to increase payroll. Because this team is so crappy that even a casual fan knows it has no shot at being a playoff contender.

Opti-Mets-tic
Opti-Mets-tic

I agree with you Matt. Thank you for saying it. It makes total business sense, and I don't see why there would possibly be anything wrong, with trying to build a financially stable business, that can back our team, and continue to fund, and increase payroll.

I don't see why Sandy or the Wilpons would not do that, again, it makes business sense, to raise payroll, once, and only once, it would mean increased profit. Again, once the young team, starts winning, payroll will increase with revenue, so as to drive revenue higher. It is a successful business model, that many, many successful businesses use.

Michael Fichera
Michael Fichera

The TEAM WILL NOT BE IN A POSITION TO COMPETE/WIN WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY UNLESS YOU BUY BATS. 


BUY BATS. END OF DISCUSSION. 

metspete
metspete

What nonsense is Cerrone babbling about now? That is pure company speaking. If Alderson wants the young pitchers to have wins, he needs to get hitters to do that.

Timothy Nagle
Timothy Nagle

Lol, blame the fans for not buying tickets? Holy " pass the buck" batman.

David Eisenberg
David Eisenberg

It time to sell get Sandy and Collin out of there. They don't care about the Mets fans so why should we. Boycott the team now. They been bull shiting the fans for years. I'm tired of hearing that we're rebuilding the team. They been rebuilding for the last 5 years. Done Fans stand-up and boycott maybe when the stands are empty they will do something. They don't care about the Mets Fans and baseball in New York. Boycott Boycott Boycott.

simbad
simbad

I don't know how true it is, but that article in the NY Post about the Astros' bottoming out said they took a poll with fans and the fans replied: just be honest. Don't say one thing and do another. As much as Alderson is not responsible for the woes of the Wilpons, his insistence that payroll is not an issue is really aggravating, and belied by just about every of the Mets' moves post-Madoff.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

They can't hit Matt.  They have NO position players who can hit who are even close to major league ready.  They're best player is recovering from TJ surgery.  They can't win at home.  Help me understand how standing pat is going to change any of that.  For a NEW YORK Baseball team to have  payroll in the $80 million range is flat out a disgrace and a big FU to the fanbase.

JasonMiles
JasonMiles

I have read many posts on many subjects on Mets Blog. it is my opinion that although there is a very small amount of idiots 85% of the fans here are right on with their expression and feelings about the team and what is going on. this is a terrible scenario for the future and a beautiful ballpark like Citi Field will remain empty for the foreseable future. That is until the next 50cent concert 

Pete Nabel
Pete Nabel

This team needs help on the field.  SA you need to make that happen.

heatcoach
heatcoach

For a team that is having trouble drawing fans most days Alderson put his foot in his mouth with his arrogant and self-serving comment about payroll.  While he is correct that the Mets/Sterling, LLC is a company and he is the General Manager, he also must recognize that his fan base/customer has the inherent right to express her/his opinion.  It is quite obvious that Sandy has rabbit ears and is overly sensitive to talk radio. He could have expressed it in a way that won't drive customers to other businesses.  In fact, he would have been better off acknowledging the problems (I understand that it is frustrating to our fans that we haven't been able to contemplate... etc) then showing utter disdain and disrespect.  It's time for Sandy, the coaching staff, and him to go, especially if this is what he truly feels about the patrons.

John Ericson
John Ericson

if that's @MetsGM plan, then he's an even bigger idiot than I think he is.  You can't expect fans to come out and watch this crap.  And money isn't the only issue. Sandy spent money is a ridiculous way this past off season with Chris Young, with Velverde, Farnsworth, and even Granderson.  Idiotic signings that don't even match Sandy's supposed philosophy.   This is not just baseball on the cheap, it's baseball with no plan, no vision and is pointless.  More money may just mean more stupidity.  People railed against Minaya, he looks like a genius compared to Alderson. 

robby
robby

Wilpons, get out of baseball and open a flea market you cheapos

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

There  was an Article in WSJ yesterday that shows what the Wilpons and Katz might be up too. It's Scary as hell , but possiable.

Rich Gregg
Rich Gregg

I really think think the Mets are close.....said no honest person ever

bklyndude
bklyndude

"I really do believe that we are close," said Sandy.

We would be a lot closer if we had new owners.

matthewcerrone
matthewcerrone

@evrybdyluvsant how do you define accountability in management a baseball team they are free to own, regardless of how fans "feel."

@Bryan McEntee - HE is a pretty sharp guy but he works for a REALLY dumb organization. He said the 90 win thing behind closed doors but then some moron leaked it. The thing about attendance is just a bunch of double speak. He's just taking the bullets for the spinless owners that he works for. 

@Opti-Mets-tic - the thing is that the Mets play in a HUGE market, they have their own network and a brand new stadium. These owners can't figure out how to have a higher payroll than the San Diego Padres. The Mets have their own network and the Padres BARELY have their own fans. I live in San Diego. You can get in the park for about $5.00, you can park for free a few blocks away and they let you bring in your own food and yet THEY have a higher payroll than the Mets. How is that? SNY takes in a TON of money so where is it all going? Above all that they just got an extra 25 mill fro the new tv deals worked out with FOX ESPN and TBS. EVERY team saw the same 25+ mill but the Wilpons are one of the small group that pocketed all the money. The problem with the business model is the owners. 

Daniel Burnard
Daniel Burnard

@Opti-Mets-tic  First Pro sports especially in New York is not a business. I f you cant afford to compete here then its probably not something you should own. Also they just started a new cable network and opened a new stadium with tax payer money don't be fooled tax free bonds are tax payer money.If they still cant afford to pay to put a team on the field that is at least exciting then they shouldn't own it. Not to mention this is the same thing they have been saying for the last half decade. Secondly I think your wrong when your in sales which sports are you have to sell your product to the people and make them come. By your example that would be like McDonalds coming out and saying were using really crappy food until we get more people buying our food but once we get enough people we will use better meat. It makes no sense all it does is drives away more people.

fakefans
fakefans

Reading comprehension would really help you get by in life. Maybe you could even end up earning more than minimum wage. In the meantime how about letting the people with brains decipher statements for you?

fakefans
fakefans

I think "the" should have been in all caps too. Then I would have known you were VERY SERIOUS!!!

Chino7671
Chino7671

@simbad When does Alderson begin to own some responsibility? What is this fan bases' obsession with giving this guy a total free pass? Several other baseball organizations with less payroll have fared much better. Alderson has nothing to show for four years on the job. Time for him to go!

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@simbad Absolutely right.  Fans can handle a bad team now and then; what fans won't tolerate is constantly being lied to and disrespected by a team to which they have given their loyalty.  Everything that the Mets have said and done since the Madoff thing hit has been awful--they say one thing and do another, and it's clear from their double-speak that they think the fan base is not intelligent enough to figure out what they're doing.


They should realize that we'd be fine sticking it out for a few lean years if we had some trust that things would get better eventually, but right now it feels like we're in an abusive relationship with no real hope on the horizon because we can no longer trust this organization to do the right thing.

rf04
rf04

@bklyndude Fact - we are 1 game out of last place and 5.5 out of first. 

Which exactly is closer, Mr. Alderson.