Terry Collins 8 (Baron)

It took 75 minutes for Terry Collins to create Tuesday’s lineup

David Wright entered Tuesday night’s game with three hits in his previous 43 at bats.

He later went 2-for-4 with a home run, though the Mets lost, 6-2, to the Cardinals.

“I’m a big part of this offense and for us to win, I understand I have to produce,” Wright said (Star-Ledger, June 17).

The Mets have lost of 11 of their last 14 games, during which Wright is batting .106.

Instead of the usual five minutes, Terry Collins said it took him 75 minutes to construct Tuesday’s lineup, which ended up scoring just two runs and featured Jon Niese batting eighth.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It’s not where they’re batting, Terry, it’s who is batting. I’m running out of ways to say it, especially since I whined about this as recently as Tuesday, but until the Mets get better hitters, I see no evidence that this group can score more runs than they are, despite Sandy Alderson citing their almost-even run differential. Yes, I’m sure they’re capable of having a big game here and there, but to inch back to .500 they’ll need to do it consistently, and I don’t know that they can, at least not as currently constructed.




229 comments
Mark Rakentine
Mark Rakentine

Since he's had a completly different lineup every game he's managed for the Mets, at some point it must get difficult to come up with new ones. Let's please cut him him some slack as he tries to achieve the Guiness different lineup card every day world record.

cliffy44
cliffy44

PLEASE get rid of Terry Collins.
He is making financial bets against the Mets.Why else would he do some of the brain-dead things that he does to make sure that the Mets lose????

Wally Bachman would be an excellent replacement for the Pete Rose Wannabee (in reverse).

Mushroombarleysoup
Mushroombarleysoup

This is a terrible conundrum but I want to see them keep losing just so SA and the FO has no choice but to loose TC on his hometown of bumbling oaks USA and leave us send the lineup card alone. Now, if Sandy hires anyone but Wally or Teufel I'll be torqued off,...don't give me that Geren bs either!

The Third Lantern
The Third Lantern

Haven't spent a dime or watched any games since 2010. Boycott this morass until the Wilpon's sell to someone who'll actually conduct business as though they're in the capital of the world.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

You could use the Cray Supercomputer and this lineup would still stink. What are the four words every Met fan hears in his nightmares? "Here comes Ruben Tejada." And Daniel Murphy may very well be the best hitter currently on the team but his baseball IQ is borders on the sub-cretinous. Maybe Terry should have let Bartolo Colon lead-off this afternoon? It would allow Chris Young more rbi opportunities.

Max Denby
Max Denby

One of the mets front office guys was quoted as saying: "In Oakland they had 5 losing seasons, to get to where they are.  You can't get away with that in NYC. MUST BE NICE."  They actually WISH they could lose in peace.  Disgusting. 

Max Denby
Max Denby

DEAR GOD.  What a great example of how dumb Terry is.  He needs to stop trying to OVER-MANAGE.  Players need consistency to settle into a long season and get into a rhythm.  Not having a senile manager slowly deciding on a different lineup each night. 

Howard McDonald
Howard McDonald

75 minutes to make out a line-up card??? Now that's lousy manager if I ever heard ! You can make a line-up for a softball team way faster than this! What a joke.

benmoz
benmoz

Can you guys relax with taking everything so literally? The implication was clearly that he was just thinking about the various permutations for the lineup for a long time, because he's trying hard to find something that will provide some offense. The fact remains that Terry could spend 3 hours putting together a lineup that scores less runs than the hours he out into creating it.

We just need better players already why is this news..

gpopper
gpopper

If it took Collins 75 minutes to come up with that line up, then he is officially brain dead and the plugs should be pulled. Alderson is the classic snake oil salesman and a terrible one at that. Why the Wilpons aren't playing dominos with Bernie is beyond me. Everything to be said about this organization has been said 1000 times over and still they don't listen. They could care less about the fans. As long as Selig is in bed with the Wilpons and Alderson, nothing will change. As for the players, the majority are a lost cause and they know it.

Making Citifield the modern image of Ebbets Field is fine. The first thing the fans should see as they enter the rotunda is NY Mets memorabilia. They should be overwhelmed by it. If they want Jackie Robinson, who I respect and watched play, they should purchase DVDs and t shirts from the Dodger franchise. The entire organization is a bad joke from top to bottom. I have been a Mets fan since 1962 and this is the worse I have seen, bar none. Grants Tomb days were more exciting and it sticks in my throat to say that. Any fan that supports this fiasco is either naive or a relative of one of the clowns running it. And the beat just goes on.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

When you have 5 of 9 players in the line-up with BA's under .240, it doesn't matter what the batting order is. It is doomed to fail even on a good day. 

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

Mets should have been honest long ago. Mets are in full blown rebuild mode. If Mets management would be honest with the fans and themselves it would be a better path forward. Stop struggling to reach .500 with subpar players. Go rebuild all the way and do it quickly. This under .500 Mets team talent with management and fans thinking we will reach the playoffs is painful to watch.

Mark Schuckman
Mark Schuckman

who do you think the next METS manager will be ?

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

The All-Star break is coming up soon. We will see what direction the Mets are headed by Sandy's effort to add "Talent" or holding the line. 

Christopher Masiello
Christopher Masiello

Wow, what a waste of time. He should have picked 8 horrible hitters out of a bag and took a 74.5 minute nap.

msanta031
msanta031

I think the thing that boggles my mind over anything else, how are some people still paying to go see Mets games at CitiField?  I know the crowds are dwindling, but there are still people buying tickets.  You could offer me free tickets behind the dugout, free parking, free food, and I would pass.  Stop watching on TV, don't buy any Mets merchandise, and don't go to games.  Boycott!

tmac77
tmac77

This team has been all their offensive eggs in this hitting approach basket and bring up hordes of minor league talent that's hyped and then destroy them, either with inconsistent playing time or completely messing with their heads on things like stances, pitch selection, etc.  Lucas Duda is the poster boy, a guy who's afraid to swing and almost relieved to take a walk with runners on 2nd and 3rd so he doesn't K.  There's not one offensive player who's improved at the ML level except Lagares who they don't like very much for some reason.  I had a dream last night they fired Alderson and completely shifted gears.    

robby
robby

@benmoz Agreed.  Whay is that so hard to understand?  Mets fans are just aggravated at the whole situation. but who can blame them?  It Wilpons fault

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@benmoz The only thing here is Collins believing that he can really change the performance of subpar players.

gpopper
gpopper

As a manager, you know your players, period. You know who,is hot and who is cold. You take into consideration who is pitching and some other factors. It's not needed to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. It should take more time writing it down on the card than figuring it out. With who Collins has, even more so. He's been through it enough to know the other teams etc before hand, 75 minutes has to be a joke. Again, pull the plug.

rf04
rf04

@gpopper It totally sucks that the fun thing about being a Mets... sorry... mets fan is that they tried hard and played hard and were loveable losers. Now we're not loveable.

It was once a badge of honor to back your team in the lean years, but it just doesn't feel right with this regime. They suck for doing this to us.

rf04
rf04

@mets2death Everybody has bad days, even Wright's had a bunch of them lately. Any night, you're going to have an 0 for 4 in your lineup. The problem is the quantity and frequency of bad games in our lineup.

hashburry
hashburry

Look how quickly the Marlins have once again passed the Mets in talent.  Bought Reyes, traded him for young players.  Mets have no plan, regardless of what this blog or Alderson says.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@barbarossa  Do you pay your cable bill?  If so, you're spending money on the Mets, and are "part of the problem".

narpath
narpath

@Mark Schuckman How about Super Nanny? Maybe she can whip them into shape. Sounds like she might take less time to fill out a lineup card than TC, too.

hashburry
hashburry

@msanta031 You are confused between fans who are frustrated and people who will go to the park to watch a game.  Not everyone is concerned with the Mets winning or losing.  It is entertainment, and some will pay to see bad entertainment.  Jus go to Broadway.

hashburry
hashburry

@tmac77 Sorry, but I don't believe the players really listen all that much to hitting approach.  The problem that is ignored over and over is that these players are not very good.  Look at Ike, he still stinks in Pittsburgh.  Byrd hit last year, he is still hitting.  Young stunk for 5 years before the Mets overpaid him, he stinks.  Their is little regard for most of the minor leaguers the Mets bring up, so there is absolutely no reason to expect hem to be good major leaguers, regardless of what Collins does with them.

rf04
rf04

@tmac77 Alderson is going nowhere. He refuses to blame low payroll and toes the company line. Sad but true.

gpopper
gpopper

I don't think he believes that all. I do agree he may be trying to get something out of nothing though. I don't dislike Collins at all, I just think he's a terrible manager on the field, even given what he has to work with, which again, is not much.

gpopper
gpopper

I have to agree. No one likes losing, but it happens. As you say they were lovable losers and we always stuck with them. Now, it's a disaster.

gpopper
gpopper

That I don't know, it may very well be true. But, he wants Jeffy to have them so he has something to play with after he grows up. It's a disgusting situation. I don't see anything changing until the Wilpons sell and Alderson is gone holding Collins hand as he leaves.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@barbarossa Signing Granderson and Young is not payroll cutting mode. It is struggling to be .500 mode. Close enough to be a so called playoff team for their fans, but never enough for the full blown rebuild mode they should be in.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

@hashburry Their plan is what the Mets are. A team that attempts to get in the playoffs every year for their fans. If the talent is there or not does not make a difference. Hence not being honest. As a very long time Mets fan, this is the worst way for this Mets fan. They should have been in full blown rebuild mode for years now. They don't have the talent to be a winning ballclub.

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

@barbarossa. . . the direction the Wilpons are hoping for.

tmac77
tmac77

@hashburry @tmac77 well, the vets don't.  Byrd is who is he is.  he's a different beast than Duda (who absolutely listens IMHO), Ike is a guy they completely messed up after he showed 30+ HR capability.  Now he's a singles guy.  Flores, d'Arnaud are good cases for me.  Flores was always highly ranked as is Travis.  Flores can't get on the field regularly and Travis can't hit the side of a barn once up here.  yet everyone says he can hit.  You are right about the majority of the high level minor talent though.  Guess we have to wait 4 more years???  btw, choo, cruz and peralta are all having years that would put them as the best 2 in our lineup.  sigh.

dolemite
dolemite

@gpopper I still wear that badge. the wins will come, just not this year. I do have to remember to exercise more and eat a little better so that I can be around when it happens.

hashburry
hashburry

 @hashburry I only disagree that their plan is not to get in to the playoffs.  They may say that, but I think their plan is to sign some guys and act like they are improving, but are just trying to bail water and keep the club afloat while they hope a pray for a small miracle that they over perform wildly beyond expectations.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@barbarossa @Michael Frias  I wasn't trying to be.  I'd hazard a bet that 12 months of whatever cut SNY gets of you cable bill is roughly the cost of a "cheaper" ticket to a Mets game. 

hashburry
hashburry

@msanta031 @hashburry I really don't have to say this as most understand, but not everyone is obsessed with their team winning and losing.  Some like to go to the ballpark, and will go regardless.  Is that so hard for you to understand?  If 50 people on a blog scream for a boycott, no one else hears it.  it's like the knuckleheads who go stand outside MSG or SNY studio with signs for Dolan or Wilpon to sell.  Probably time for them to get therapy, or maybe a job.

jonlga
jonlga

Casual fans go and take their kids and enjoy the ballpark and being outside. They're the ones spending and they don't care. If the team wins, great. But, if not they'll go home and enjoy life and forget about it.

rf04
rf04

@tmac77 @hashburry I think that generally the league figures out most hitters - so the cream rises. I agree that sometimes the Mets approach seems frustrating - but in the sorta post PED era, as well as in a big ballpark, the way you score runs is by getting guys on base and bunching hits together. So, it's not a crazy bad approach - it just takes talent to execute it - as well as any approach.