Is there a scenario that puts Kendrys Morales on the Mets?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

There appears to be a realistic scenario where, for roughly $8 million, the Mets could essentially turn Ike Davis in to a young pitcher and Kendrys Morales.

“A good team-friendly deal could develop for the Mets with Morales in February or March,” ESPN.com’s Buster Olney said earlier this week on Twitter. The player’s agent says Morales is being pursued by both National and American League teams (Morosi, Dec. 18).

According to Olney, the Mets can release Davis during Spring Training for just $600,000 of his projected $4 million salary. I’m sure the Mets would prefer to trade him and get something for him, but, if they need to save the money or open a roster spot, cutting him is always an option.

Kendrys Morales 4 (AP)That said, I think Davis will eventually be traded for a helpful pitcher making the league minimum. If they do this, and if Morales is still available because no one wants to give up a first-round pick to sign him, the Mets could try to sign Morales to a one-year deal that ultimately nets out around $8 million after eliminating Ike’s money from the payroll. By the way, Lucas Duda still has an option and can be sent to Triple-A to start the year without passing through waivers.

Morales would cost the Mets their third-round pick. Their top pick is protected (10th overall), which is not the case for teams reportedly showing interest in him. The Mets lost their second-round pick when signing Curtis Granderson. The talk earlier this winter was that Sandy Alderson would certainly surrender one pick this winter, but he was unlikely to part with two.

Does Alderson even like Morales, who would be expected to hit 20 or so home runs, 30 doubles, switch hit and play serviceable defense? So far, there are no substantive rumors indicating any sort of interest.

Can Morales survive as a regular first baseman in the National League? Interleague play, occasional rest and Josh Satin will mean Morales will need to be in the field about 100 times in 2014. He played the field just 31 times in 2013.

If the Mets want Morales, is there price for him that would make Alderson reconsider giving up his third-round pick? If so, will Sandy have enough money (or be given extra money) to sign him, which I assume would be contingent on first moving Davis in a way that saves on 2014 payroll?

It’s a stretch. But, like I said, there appears to be a path for this to happen, assuming everything breaks right and both sides are still interested.

172 comments
John Grillo
John Grillo

Interesting theory. .. but these hypotheticals should only be written about if there is known interest by a team that now seems satisfied to back into Shawn Marcum mode

Izeaac Izenhower
Izeaac Izenhower

I've noticed that many believe that specific position players should have numbers that equal or come close to the league average. Yes numbers equal wins. But I believe that the total number is more important than the exact position of where it comes from. Take a look at World Series winners since 1980. Besides Jeter, B.Larkin, J.Rollins, & C.Ripken most teams didn't have top tier SS. The same pretty much is the same for first baseman. If the Mets want to advance in getting better we can live with under average numbers at 1b & SS as long as the other position players put up as good or better numbers against the averages. We need good defensive play from SS & 1B. And other extra intangibles which include walking, advancing the runner over, extended at bats, smart base running, sacrificing, hitting to the opposite field. Many things that Tejada, Duda, Satin can do. Hopefully it can happen. Let's go Mets

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

The Mets are dreaming if they think they could get away with releasing Davis during spring training to save some money.  Simply, releasing a player on a salary arbitration salary during spring training for the sake of saving money is not permitted by collective bargaining.  The players union will always file a grievance against the team in those situations and demand full amount of the salary.

Ricky
Ricky

Morales in 2013: 23 HRs, 80 RBIs, .277 avg & 2.7 WAR


This is the ideal #5 hitter behind Granderson or #6 hitter behind Chris Young.


Trade Davis for pitching. 

Cut / demote / get rid of in any way they can- Duda.

Put Flores on the bench or in AAA.


SIGN MORALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thwacker
thwacker

What are the Dbacks going to do with 3 shortstops - Owings, Gregorius and Ahmed? Any one would be an improvement.

Make a deal, Sandy!


trevordunn
trevordunn

trying to figure out why a NY baseball team with a tv network and a payroll 40 million below the league average is worrying about pennies with Ike davis,...the fact they have to worry about how much money they have to pay if they cut him or getting a pitcher making the minimum in exchange of Ike just shows what a disgrace this entire franchise is

bobbysf
bobbysf

Given Murph's defensive challenges, I'd be careful to sacrifice too much defense at first. 


Not sure how well Morales has fielded recently. Davis regressed last year considerably as a defender, which was as disappointing as his performance at the plate. Maybe he grew disinterested once he found himself in the hole he dug. Of course, Ike can be an elite defender at first, but I'm tired of talking what Ike could be, etc. Just tired of Ike, period. 

Morales is a smart hitter & I guess could work for me if we could also flip Duda for a serviceable piece -- in addition to dealing Ike. What we get in return for Ike and/or Duda will not be much, obviously, but I'm fine with a prospect or two who can help us in 2015-16. Both Duda and Morales on the 25 make no sense, especially from a roster construct view.


dreamer3kx
dreamer3kx

Im a numbers guy, why not just play Ike/ Duda at first, they will put up 25-30 hrs and 80+ Rbi combined, why go after Morales?

metfaninva
metfaninva

No way morales is even being considered. By signing Granderson we have our left fielder.

Chris Young and yes, den Dekker platoon in right as niether is a full time player; Lagares in center; this means Eric Young to 2B --better range and def ability and Murphy to 1st.  Davis will be traded and Duda to Vegas where he has .260/35/110 and traded in 2014/15.

WillisReid
WillisReid

We already have a switch hitting 1B with 20 HR power in Dudatin.

Jim Gandolfo
Jim Gandolfo

I Like the maxster's thinking.  Get one of those young ss from AZ.....please find anything for Ike...gotta be a young, AA arm someone is willing to part with for the "allure" Ike brings to the table...we know that "allure" is more like "odure" or just plain "stench"....again, I will tout, an ice machine, a couple of Gatorade coolers, maybe a VCR machine..all worth it, straight up for Ike.  Dee Gordon???  No thanks, keep the Murph.  He's gonna hit even better with a better line-up.

mustang66
mustang66

just get a productive shortstop already.break open the freakin piggy bank and give us a shot to win more than 74 games. With the additions they made I see a team very similar to last year unless somebody feels that Chris Young is gonna do better than 235 15 and 50. To me Granderson replaces bird and the rest of our lineup is the same or worse.this is definitely a sub .500 team. Sign a shortstop with a little speed and some pop who can hit 270 and maybe, maybe they can stay close to the second wold card

dolemite
dolemite

I don't think Sandy goes near Morales, and he is famous for kicking every tire (see Robinson Cano dinner).  Kendry is lousy in the field, I don't care what metrics are being cited from his very limited exposure in 2013.  Duda is a more competant fielder.  Sandy has shown this off season that a strong defense is key - and I agree when you obviously will not be able to field an elite offensive team (like the tigers).

The money Morales will command (14M per season), the draft pick and allocation money that would be lost, the defensive downgrade, and the existence of 4 other players who can play the position already on the Mets makes this an easy one to predict.

Morales may be the best bet for an average offensive season by a first baseman but there is a decent possibility that a combination of Davis, Duda, Satin, and Flores could put up similar numbers while providing stronger defense at a fraction of the total cost (money and pick).

bleck319
bleck319

Based on the numbers Morales appears only slightly better than a Duda/Satin platoon.


Last year Duda and Satin combined for about the same number of plate appearances as Morales.  The numbers for runs scored and doubles are nearly identical.  While Morales has a slight edge in homers and a significant edge in RBIs, the combined OBP for Duda and Satin is higher. 360ish vs 336. 


Defensively it appears Morales is almost as much of a liability as Duda based on the WAR numbers. 


So it comes down to:


Should the Mets add an additional (roughly) $10 million of payroll for a few more homers and 30 more RBIs but a lower OBP?  If I were Sandy Alderson, I would opt to keep a Duda/Satin platoon, given the cost/benefit analysis. 

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

I am going to assume ike is traded for a RP from someone.

I would sign Morales in my sleep, if were talking Morales vs Duda, anything is better then Duda at 1b. I like the fact Morales is a switch hitter too.

I would find a way to trade for Dee Gordon from the Dodgers based on his speed alone, you don't lose it as a player at 25, no way, I don't care if you have to give up Flores to do it...let Gordon and Tejada fight it out as SS and may the best guy win, even a platoon of those 2 would not be awful thing.

Until Lageras proves that he can hit on a consistent basis, ey, Granderson and Chris young is my OF. If ey, Gordon and Morales is added to this lineup, you have a very good mix of speed and power.

maxster
maxster

Dump Ike, Duda, sign Morales, and give up one of your precious pitching "prospects" for Gregorious, or Owings, and lets play ball.

WillisReid
WillisReid

Well if Ike is considered a GG defender, I guess it's not a stretch to call Morales servicable at 1B.  Neither are accurate, mind you.

Steve Jones
Steve Jones

Is there a scenario where we would even want Kendrys Morales on the Mets?

tk2120
tk2120

trade Davis for whatever pitcher they can get..

trade Montero(this great prospect apparently) for Chris Owings

sign Paul Maholm

sign Kendrys Morales


l murphy 2b

r owings ss

r dw 3b

l granderson lf

s morales 1b

r young cf/rf

r darnaud c

r lagares cf/rf


ey22, duda, flores, tejada, and backup c on bench


wheeler

niese

colon

gee

maholm


thanks. bye.

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

Ok, can we move on to a new topic?  Think this one has been beaten into the ground.

hillsideav
hillsideav

Not happening if it involves an incremental $8M more of payroll.  They are already choking on the $4M that Davis will cost next year. Sandy will play some poker on this for a while, and if need be, turn Ike loose during ST.  Make no mistake, moving Ike is a salary dump, but it's also justifiable baseball business. You can't reasonably expect that he is going to do anything more than the long trip on the interstate of the last two years.

Ron Davis
Ron Davis

if it means no Duda then i am all for it. but Duda has no trade value .Sandy trys to fool fans who know he is not tradable. get real Sandy no way we buy into Duda having trade value. i laugh when somebody Stern and Bowden trying to lobby for Duda to leadoff. and Bowden goes ok in triple A. lol 

Metropolitan
Metropolitan

All I know is this system of qualifying offers has to change...in other words it has to go!

philj
philj

Trade duda and keep ike...ike has potential to revert back to 30/90 for and duda never got that...trade duda and tejada for a pitcher...sign drew for three years...

Kevin Hurd
Kevin Hurd

If Duda can be start the season in Vegas, I'd rather give Ike one last shot and spend any extra cash on a SS upgrade and/or bullpen help.

sylow59
sylow59

If Matt is assuming 30 D / 20 HR over 150 games that translates to around 21 D / 14 HR.

If Matt is assuming 30 D / 20 HR over 111 games that translates to around 43 D / 29 HR. 

Big difference.

Nick P Saporito
Nick P Saporito

It's not right that Met fans have an owner like this.why isn't MLB on these owners!!!!

bobbysf
bobbysf

@dreamer3kx That was my first reaction too, dude!  But, I think that in this era of 7-8 man pens, it makes little sense to carry two guys who can play first base only. That's why a move for Morales begins to make some sense to me only if we are planning on dealing both Ike and Duda. 

dolemite
dolemite

@Jim GandolfoGiving away Ike for a non prospect is silly.  If we keep Ike our worst case scenario is platooning him and waiting for him to blossom (again) or we can ALWAYS trade him later for  a non prospect.  The ONLY reason to do something disadvantageous quickly would be if the Mets wanted to spend on Drew or someone and needed to free up the payroll.

dude31
dude31

@bleck319 get a clue man.. duda is awful and satin is another AAAA player

bobbysf
bobbysf

@WillisReid He was below average last year as a defender. No doubt he can be an excellent glove at first, but he has to be into that, which he appears to be not. 

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@tk2120Montero(this great prospect apparently)  

Do you actually follow this organization?

slainte2
slainte2

@Ron Davisyou are a one note singer with this hatred for Duda and unwavering support for your son Ike.  

Truth is they are both pretty similar players, almost identical pretty good career stats against RHP, and bad stats/results against LHP.  Ike has good rep as defensive player ... idk, seems kinda slow moving, don't know if there is big advantage even there.  


to me, pretty similar players (tho ESPN story re-posted here had 7 or 9 scouts preferring Duda)  ... both have value in specific roles, neither is upper level everyday player.  Question would be who do you get more for in trade... and yes, if saving 2M on salary by going with Duda means these owners add a quality arm to BP that we wouldn't otherwise have, then i consider that too.

Hodges14
Hodges14

@philj Ike also has the potential to bat .205 with 9 hrs and 200Ks.  He's had enough chances.

bleck319
bleck319

The question is not whether Duda and Satin are awful or qualified major league baseball players.  The question is:  Does adding $10 million of payroll for Morales offer much more incremental benefit over a Duda/Satin platoon?  I think it is obvious the answer is no. 

anthony G. Decesare
anthony G. Decesare

He can switch it, he can play more then one position, he can steal bases and he plays good outfield defense.

tk2120
tk2120

@Agee's Catch i do..very closely..i meant that sarcastically because i dont buy his hype...and with harvey/wheeler/niese/gee/synd, whats montero gonna do? seems like a good fit to me

bobbysf
bobbysf

@anthony G. Decesare The other position he can play is DH, right? Kidding aside, what other position? Hid days at 3B are long gone.

tk2120
tk2120

@Agee's Catch@bobbysfeither way, just floating ideas..im a little annoyed at how 'deep our starting pitching prospects are' meanwhile an argument can be made for a new 1b, 2b, ss, and still another OF....lets swap some players

bobbysf
bobbysf

@Agee's Catch I also like what I've read about Montero. Owings has some big holes in his offensive game & some scouts see him more as a good-bat utility infielder. I'd take him, but I would hesitate to give up Montero for him. 

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@tk2120@Agee's CatchHonestly I feel bad for Mejia. We totally screwed with his development in 2010. I somehow think both Mejia and Familia are just 2 long-hyped prospects branded into our collectives consciences. It's the cross that international free agents bear.  We hear about them forever since they are signed at 16.  Montero is different in this regard.  Also, he has been close to brilliant at every level, while Familia and Mejia have struggled at certain levels.  Admittedly, Mejia was very good last summer.  I hope he comes back strong.  As for Familia, I'm still waiting...

tk2120
tk2120

@Agee's Catch haha its all good...honestly, youre probably right..im just so hesitant about these 'prospects' cause mejia & familia came up with almost the same repertoire..and with colon now and me hanging on to another colon-like signing for our 5th (instead of watching mejia for a month before montero comes up), i say hey, maybe he has some serious trade value...

if you can move ike(which they seemingly cant) for a nice pitching prospect, maybe montero becomes more expendable...sorry also for the 'quick, trade this guy, then post what the lineup will be after 11 moves that'll never happen'..i hate that too lol...just figured it was necessary

Agee's Catch
Agee's Catch

@tk2120@Agee's CatchSorry for the snarky attitude. What I've read, Montero has an easy, fluid repeatable delivery with very good control. He's not as sexy as Harvey, Thor and Wheeler, but he hasn't been around as long.  Kid signed at 20 and ripped through 8 levels in 3 seasons.  He's my fifth starter as soon as i get another year of control (April 20th)