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Is Carlos Torres tipping his pitches?

Mets relief pitcher Carlos Torres gave up another home run Tuesday.

He has allowed six in the past 10 innings he has pitched, including each of his last four appearances.

“We talked about maybe seeing if he’s tipping his pitches, because he’s getting hit way too hard,” Terry Collins said Tuesday.

In his eight appearances since July 19, Torres is 1-1 with a 9.00 ERA, during which he’s let 17 men reach base in 10 innings.

Prior to July 19, he had a 2.88 ERA through 59 innings, but was testing a .359 BABIP.

Torres continues to have the most innings pitched among National League relief pitchers.




23 comments
flmetsfan
flmetsfan

What's the excuse for overexposure and ineffectiveness?  Oh yeah, tipping pitches!

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

MAYBE it's because his arm is about to fall off from all the innings he's pitched :-/

hankypanky
hankypanky

Looks like Wonderful Wally slipped one over on us. Another one of his "fixes" exposed.

stage52
stage52

Torres has pitched up in the zone ever since he came back from that little stint that kept him out of a few games where his back was bothering him .  He always pitched low in the zone and was pretty accurate but now he is all over the place and I think it is because he is not bending over quite as much when he delivers the pitch.   Overuse is the possible problem but I think his back is still bothering him enough to throw off his release point enough to make a difference.

upstater
upstater

Burnt out by bad managing. Too bad -- he was good for a long while.

gpopper
gpopper

Overall, Torres has been the one constant in the pen for the last two years. He's also been overused by Collins for the last two years because of that fact. I disagree totally that Torres isn't a good pitcher. He's not lights out, but has always done what's asked of him and more. If Collins actually knew anything about using relief pitchers, the story might be different. While he may be tipping pitches, I think being used and abused by Collins is more the case.

WestCoastMetFan
WestCoastMetFan

Torres is the next Pedro Feliciano, his arm is about to fall off from overuse

mesmo
mesmo

Hmmm... First, check to see if his pitching arm is still attached and hasn't fallen off from constant overuse.

Sergio Valdez
Sergio Valdez

He's getting "hit way too hard" and you deduce that it's because he's tipping his pitches? You didn't think that maybe he kind of isn't that good to begin with? Tired of the pitch tipping excuse.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Maybe the fact he's not a very good pitcher to begin with?  He gave up so many homers last year, his numbers should have been worse.  Hopefully we're about to come to a close with him.

matt greco
matt greco

maybe it's just that he just isn't that good, and the league is catching up to him?

hankypanky
hankypanky

Maybe is arm is unscrewing. One day it will fall off while he's on the mound.

rico
rico

I'm going to conjecture that when you see (face) the same pitcher 900 times a season you know what's coming…Torrez needs a rest and TC/ Sandy have to find a new middle relief innings eater who is not as familiar as Torrez.


File it under "familiarity breeds raking"

hashburry
hashburry

I think TC was listening to Ojeda on the post game.  And I thought those comments were about Montero.

Tyler DB
Tyler DB

Honestly, this whole idea of "tipping" pitches is just a lame excuse for poor execution.  EVERYONE knows Bartolo is throwing you a fastball, yet you still can't hit it (for the most part).  Just because someone knows a slider is coming, doesn't mean he can hit it out the park.  I hate when managers bring this up, and even so, why announce it so other teams start looking?

gpopper
gpopper

A lot of things are amazing with this manager and front office guys. TDA can't hit, goes to the minors, comes back hitting. Pitchers go down come back up pitching. What's wrong with Collins and our coaches that they don't see the problems and correct them. Are they that bad or is Wally and his guys that good or a combination of both?

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

@Sergio Valdez - so then how did he put up those numbers before this then? He just caught everyone off guard for the last year+? 

Pat Brady
Pat Brady

@matt greco - Took them a long time though didn't it? I mean he pitches more than any reliever in baseball so everyone had plenty of opportunities to catch up to him didn't they?

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

@Tyler DB JF throws slider 80% of the time and you can't hot it! Look at Mariano Rivera--He threw the cut fastball 90% of the time and obviously batter knew it was coming. All about execution. 

matt greco
matt greco

@gpopper i think it's that terry is that bad.


that being said, it could be worse...we could have ryne sandberg.  good lord is he stupid...

Sergio Valdez
Sergio Valdez

@Pat Brady @Sergio Valdez What numbers are you looking at? ERA? Lol. What his numbers tell me is that he isn't very good. From what I see, he allows too many base-runners and allows too many home runs. (especially for someone who is A) a reliever and B) more of a ground ball pitcher than a fly ball pitcher)


He's also been over exposed which only hurts his value because, you guessed it, he isn't good. (Almost 70 IP and we're only in AUGUST) He's essentially a below average long man. Again, what numbers are you looking at?