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Bargain-basement pricing around MLB

There is still a large group of available free agents in the prime of their career, from Kendrys Morales to Stephen Drew, with the start of Spring Training just a few weeks away.

In a post to his morning blog for ESPN.com, Buster Olney explains how teams are taking a different approach to the market these days:

“As one general manager explained to some agents in early December, his intention was to wait until just before spring training, when the prices were greatly depressed, before plucking somebody out of the ranks of the increasingly desperate. The theory, the GM said at the time, was that teams might not get the best free agents, but they stood a chance to get the best values. More and more teams prefer to wait for the market to fall to them, to snag an established player at a bargain-basement price, rather than reach for a preferred player earlier in the winter.”

Rival GMs tell Olney that the Rays have been particularly adept at this strategy over the last few years.


Read More: A New Form of Bargain Hunting (ESPN.com)

55 comments
lindro88
lindro88

how many extra wins would Drew add to the Mets total? I'm curious what people think the difference would be.

David Wright
David Wright

Boycotting Citi Field is the ONLY way to hit those cheap pukes where it hurts.

Balonius
Balonius

Very sad, little organization: 

BEFORE: Ike is out, Duda is no Outfielder, Tejada is out!

AFTER: Ike is in, Duda to outfield, Tejada is our man!


Alderson as GM: 50/50

Alderson as comedian: Pathetic.


It's hard to look forward to the new season. Maybe the Pirates or Royals will make baseball interesting again, who knows.

bklyndude
bklyndude

Nobody wants to give up a good prospect for Ike Davis or Lucas Duda,  and the Mets don't want to sign major league capable players like Kendry Morales or Stephen Drew.

I feel like I'm in a washing machine going around and around and around........somebody,  please make it stop !!! 

jlga
jlga

This is not a franchise intending to win. They want us to hang on, swallow the promises that next year we will be better and spend our money.

This year it's we'll be better in 2015 when we get Harvey back and sign that big name shortstop. As for 2014, be patient (just as we were told to be patient in 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009).

Enough promises. They won't spend what's needed. They'll only invest enough to tempt us

sickntired
sickntired

Geez, I saw the SALE tag and got excited.  I thought they were talking about the Wilpons selling the team... Than I read the rest of the article.  Unless these players are willing to play for free, they're not coming to Citi.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Kendrys Morales is still available ... why?  Drew is playing the salary game. Is KM? Or is something else a problem?

eric88
eric88

If it wasn't for the two Zombies at 1st Morales would of added some RBI and power to the lineup and the Zombies salaries would have paid for it.

Might have been on the edge of playoff territory. So by Sandy holding out for more in the IKE trade, he may have hurt the Mets more by not pulling the trigger and  trading him.

drmetfan
drmetfan

I read that Cruz is willing to take a 1 year deal to then become a FA next year. He would be a good addition here. 

1craigswan
1craigswan

At this point, I wonder if the Mets would entertain offering Arroyo a contract.  WIth ST just a few weeks away, I'm sure his asking price and years will have dropped that the Mets may just want to take him as their 5th starter and consider the other guys as insurance. 


Morales would be a good bat to have in the lineup if the price is right.

Matt Drucker
Matt Drucker

I understand somwhat about wanting to get the most value you out of a player. At some point though you actually have to sign the Mike Piazza type free agent.

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

All this post is trying to do is justify why the Mets have not made any other moves, trying to say that other GM's are basically waiting. Come on guys

Lon Samuelson
Lon Samuelson

I will never understand what the rush was to give Chris Young $7 mil coming off a terrible season. I am sure he would have still been available at this time for a lower price.

Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

the 'best FA' vs. 'the best value' .... I'd rather have the $20MM player that performs like the $14MM player than the $1MM player that performs like the $5MM player. Good players move the needle, give me as many as possible. I don't care about the cost because people pay money to see good teams and as long as its a $10 beer or $25 to park, its justified that owners re-invest and 'overpay' as one blog would say

hashburry
hashburry

Wow.  That GM must be a Harvard Business School grad.  Wait out the market for a bargain.  That's some brilliant new thinking.

Poop-a-doodle-doo!
Poop-a-doodle-doo!

As of right now our offense still SCARES me.  Why not sign these two? What have we to lose?

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

They could sign Drew (who I love) and Cruz (who I don't really like, but would be an improvement)...they can then shift Chris Young to CF.  You then trade one of Lagares/EYJ with Duda for relief help.  All of a sudden you have a competitive team for right at $100 Million which is the league average for payroll.


If everyone's so high on Gavin Cechinni, then please stop saying "wait until next years' shortstops!" who will require 4-5 year deals.  3 years for Drew is perfect as Gavin C is 2 1/2 years away from a cup of coffee.  As for Cruz, sign him for 1 year and overpay a bit and let him try free agency again next year.


Getting up to $100 million isn't spending money just to spend money, but to field a competitive team.  They may not be a wild card team, but if they're close to it, that's a big step and keeps it interesting...which means fannies in the seats and the Wilpons not in the red for a year...actually seeing a return on investment.  Because if you don't invest more, then there was NO POINT in signing Granderson, Young, and Colon.

lindro88
lindro88

If the Mets do end up with Stephen Drew, does it change everything? Just curious.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Balonius But wait!  

a:  Some real stud SS free agents will be available NEXT YEAR (probably too expensive).

b:  Harvey will be back from injury NEXT YEAR (if he can get his velocity back right a way).

c:  Syndergaard, Montero, DeGrom, etc will be ready to pitch NEXT YEAR (we hope).

d:  The Mets could probably make some nice trades to help the team NEXT YEAR (if anyone wants any of our crappy trade pieces).

This Blog, this organization, and some of the fans have already written off this season.  Just like 2013, 2012, and 2011.

And NEXT YEAR they probably won't have a payroll over $90 million because they will be waiting for Colon's contract to expire and to come off the payroll.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Joe Paulson Morales hasn't played 150 games in the field in the last 3 years combined.  I have no idea how any NL team could actually count on this guy to play for the majority of the season.

Hank Lee
Hank Lee

A one year deal to play in an anemic Mets lineup with half your games in Citi and a good chunk in Miami and DC is not the best way to go for a guy who really has nothing other than power and RBI potential.

His .227 with 18 HR and 72 RBI in that role isn't exactly going to help him in 2015. He needs to find a team in a band box with lots of guys who can be driven in.

metstastic
metstastic

Makes zero sense. Mejia looks like he could be something special. Besides that.. Thor and Montero will be ready mid season. Why block any of these guys?

zoddie
zoddie

@1craigswan I'd rather give Mejia a shot instead of signing someone to a guaranteed contract.

zoddie
zoddie

@Matt Drucker By the time Piazza was a free agent for the first time, he was 37 :)

vimets
vimets

I don't see the Mets mentioned anywhere in this post.

Carl Rock
Carl Rock

@Lon Samuelson Correct. Always the mark of a bad contract when you have to ask who else would have given the same money. It's not like the Mets have money to throw around anyway.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Lon Samuelson  They knew he was desperate enough to take a one year deal.  Not a lot of guys like that around with his potential upside.

gloveman
gloveman

@Lon Samuelson  I really don't know much about Young, and you're probably right, but I'm hoping Alderson knows something about this guy that we don't. It does seem out of character for him to overpay so much for someone that looks like the long shot on paper that he looks like to me

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@Lon Samuelson Definitely, I could see that the Mets would have saved at least two million dollars if they waited.

metstastic
metstastic

So you would rather see a high priced free agent underperform and boo the hell out of him? That makes sense. No matter what you say about paying to see good players... people go to see a winning team OR a special player like Harvey.

rico
rico

@Kevin Connelly  Mets are hoping for bounce-back years or to up the value of Davis, Duda, Murph, Wilmer etc…this season. Then they can use them as chips in a super-deal for a superstar probably with a pitcher or two.  They tried selling off pieces this winter but nobody offered anything worth while.


Since it's going to be a year until Harvey returns the Mets are choosing to gamble with the players listed above and then try and work a deal for a major-player. 

danielg
danielg

@John Paul Cullinane we already got 4 outfielders who are pretty good.  I mean lagares is a golden glove talent, ey a stolen base leader, and granderson a hr threat.  as far as young, were paying him 7 mil so hes gonna play.  In the end its already crowded, we don't need another big signing in the outfield, we need it in the shortstop position with drew who will make this team into a playoff caliber team.  I mean you throw out the lineup of:

1. ey jr

2. murph

3. wright

4. granderson

5. c young

6. drew

7. d'arnaud

8. davis

and suddenly its a playoff team in the NL.   I mean this would be great

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Joe Paulsonby the number of games he did play in, however, he seems a useful AL piece. He also seems to have a bit of power. I take from the comments that he is basically asking for too much money.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Joe PaulsonWhy, the Mets gave an outfielder who averaged 100 games in the field over the last two years $7 million to play this year?  To make that one even better, the organization says that he will be competing for a starting spot against a player getting the league minimum.

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

@eric88 @Joe PaulsonBoth are Boras clients...and both turned down 1 year offers from their teams that they should have taken at $13+ million and $14+ million each but instead went to free agency upon Boras' advice.  If I was either of them and saw Boras put other guys first, I would fire Boras...

Victor Triguero
Victor Triguero

@vimets I know but I feel that this was posted to try and ease the frustration of the mets fan and to serve as an excuse. To me, I read it as how other teams are waiting out the market and as if it is ok to do that. Mets have not made many moves and the explanation in this post serves as the reason why. Hope I clarified myself lol

rico
rico

@flmetsfan  I think the pressure on the Mets to "do something!" was palpable. They had to make sure they landed a few targets and then see how the rest pans out. We are in that phase now.


Who knows they still may sign one of these notable FA's or two?



Kevin Connelly
Kevin Connelly

@metstastic  what does matt harvey have to do with signing a good FA? Define underperform. According to people with your train of thought, players like Robinson Cano will 'underperform' due to the value of his contract. Who cares - are you paying his salary? Seattle has Cano, great for them, I could care less about the wages he makes in a NON salary cap league. If Granderson hits .230, 30, 90 at $16MM annually til hes 37, is that underperforming? by the logic of 'value contract' it is, but by the logic of a fan it isn't, because I'd rather have Granderson than a jabroni like Andrew Brown.

John Paul Cullinane
John Paul Cullinane

@Joe Paulson @John Paul CullinaneRight...he is not worth $7 million as a corner...having him there and Lagares in CF really hurts our lineup.  We need a corner OF bat.  I am fine with Ike at first.  If you had a corner OF bat (probably via trade or just sign Cruz for a 1 year deal) and trade Lagares/EYJ along with Duda for bullpen help...

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@flmetsfan I find the idea Young is competing vs. Lagares -- which I saw no mention of before some reference by Terry Collins recently -- a bit moronic. Still, KM turned down more money. Also, two stupidities would be worse than one.