Milwaukee Brewers v Pittsburgh Pirates

Thoughts on Ike trade & Zack Thornton, audio from Ike & Alderson

This past Friday, the Mets traded Ike Davis to the Pirates for minor-league RHP Zack Thornton and a player to be named later.

The player to be named later will be “pretty significant,” according to Jon Heyman (CBS Sports, Apr. 18).

The Mets will save around $3.14 million by trading Davis (Rubin, April 18).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I’m not judging this deal until it’s complete.  The buzz from Citi Field is that the player coming from the Pirates is likely a player they drafted with a top pick last June. So, they’ll need to wait a full year after the draft (June 2014) to send him to the Mets. … That said, I wish Ike the best of luck. I’ve heard too may people connected to the Mets say Davis needed a change of scenery, which is why most people assumed he would get traded before the start of the year. … Good luck, Lucas Duda. It’s your gig now >> Read more from Cerrone’s thoughts on the trade.

Toby Hyde, Contributor

Thornton is sinker/slider reliever with a funky motion who generated more ground balls in 2013 than he ever had in his professional career. He’s a big right-hander, listed at 6’3″, 220 pounds, who will turn 26 on May 19. The Mets will be his third organization. … According to Brooks Baseball, he owns a three-pitch arsenal, with a sinker that averages 91 mph, a slider at 84 and a changeup at 84. >> Read more from Toby about Thornton.


“We’re very happy with the trade,” Mets GM Sandy Alderson said late Friday. “We’re happy for Ike, in that he’ll get an opportunity elsewhere, and it’s a situation we needed to resolve here. We’re happy with the return. This has gone on for a period of time, as everyone knows.”

Here is audio of Alderson talking about the trade, courtesy of reporter Rich Coutinho:

“I really had a blast in New York,” Davis told reporters at Citi Field after learning he had been traded to the Pirates. “I made my dreams come true, childhood dreams come true, playing in the big leagues here. But it’s just a stepping-stone. It happens to a lot of people.”

Here is audio of Davis talking to reporters at Citi Field, courtesy of reporter Rich Coutinho:




56 comments
bleedblue4
bleedblue4

It's obvious who the player is going to be just look at what the Mets tried trading Ike for in the offseason. It will be one of the pitchers.  

Rob Steven
Rob Steven

Enough already Matt, we get your a Ike fan, it is time to turn the page.

dave42
dave42

Any chance the $3mil savings could be applied to Stephen Drew?  Be nice to have another major league player on the roster. 

Sandi Taraska
Sandi Taraska

Seeing Ike in a Pirates jersey reminds me of the Xavier Nady trade. Boo to BOTH of those trades!!!

rico
rico

yeah last weeks' news. until ike starts tearing up the NL and or we find out WHO the player to be named later is, put this to bed. 


pretty gritty win yesterday, talk about that, or the Cards coming to down.



hashburry
hashburry

Did this really need to be posted again?  They got nothing that will help now.  Look at that awful performance yesterday.  The Mets only win when the other team beats themselves.  And Wheeler is nothing more than a 4th or 5th starter.  He looks totally disinterested on the mound.  He is going to end up being nothing more than another Mike Pelfrey.

elsid1986
elsid1986

it's probably an 18 year old short stop that is 5 years away. 

Straw18
Straw18

Can we bring up Thornton soon and ship Familia out?? He needs to be in the minors...gives up runs every outing....let's see what this guy can do

bruster
bruster

If Ike does do well in Pittsburgh lets please don't start with oh we should have kept him lament. It wasn't working out here for him and the Mets moved him. Good Luck Ike

Jared Greenberg
Jared Greenberg

any chance we get one of their first round picks from 2013? 

mets2014
mets2014

I thought ike would have been a nice LH power bat off the bench, but I guess his salary was too high for such a role.  The bottom line is Abreu will take over that role at a low salary and the mets get a marginal relief pitcher who may be able to help this season.  Obviously if the prospect that they get in June is a significant offensive player down the road, the mets make out well.

tk2120
tk2120

this is a great trade for the team & for Ike...he'll be ok there.. (3 for 9 with 3 k's already sounds about right, being that his double was a jam shot that barely fellin down the left field line)...nobody cares about relief pitchers, so im curious to see what they get in June... their first 2 picks were CF Austin Meadows who is a big time prospect (log jam in their outfield could make him available)... and a catcher.. which would give the Mets some flexibility at the position....either way, this trade rules...anything to get Ike off the team will benefit the organization.

tullers
tullers

Spin it any way you want but the Pirates are the clear winners.

davidus1
davidus1

@dave42  With Drew still on the market, and us heading into May, I suspect he will just wait until after the draft at this point. That should definitely boost his market. I just don't think the 1 month of prorated income is going to make the difference.

rico
rico

@hashburry  wheeler is learning on the job. I think in a year or so he'll put it all together and be a nasty-arsed pitcher. probably a very good #3

tk2120
tk2120

@hashburry  the kids made 20 major league starts..in Pelf's first 26 starts he was 7-15....Wheeler already has more wins than that....give him a minute.

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@elsid1986 Disagree they have been trying to trade Ike for pitching all offseason why would that change now.

davidus1
davidus1

@elsid1986  Would you rather have an 18 year old like Dom Smith, or a 26 year old like Thornton?

hashburry
hashburry

@bruster  Why not?  Is it any less interesting than talking about the bunch of bums the Mets actually run out on the field every day?

tk2120
tk2120

@bruster  haha you know people are going to flip out anytime he gets a hit...thats what makes this trade funny.....because everyone knew he had to go, but will revert any time he does anything good, which he will at times

cpatrocks
cpatrocks

@Jared Greenberg    I think that is what Matthew is reporting - that it is likely a Top Pick from the 2013 Draft, but they can't complete that until 1 year after he was drafted...so it should be completed June 2014.  

tk2120
tk2120

@mets2014  even that...'power bat off the bench' still needs to be a guy that puts the ball in play...not someone who may or may not hit a HR once in a while

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@tk2120 While I wish it were possible you are not getting Meadows or McGuire forget it. Not for a guy you weren't even playing. Expect anything 3rd Rd or higher, next expect a pitcher that's what you'll be getting in return. They tried trading Ike to Mil for who? To Baltimore for who? It will be a pitcher.

Zac Tindall
Zac Tindall

As bad as our bullpen is why do we not care about relief?

The Feels band
The Feels band

@tullers  This includes your strange spin seeing as how we haven't seen the players acquired have even performed other than 1 triple A appearance. Haha. 

tk2120
tk2120

@tullers  Sandy should be thrown a parade for getting anything back for Ike Davis...the guy is not a good baseball player....im sick of the 32 homerun talk, because that same year he only hit 26 doubles, batted 227 and was only on base .308.......308 on base is atrocious...plus....141:61 k:bb is pretty bad as well....the guy has power, no doubt, but hes not a complete enough player to be worth anything.....see ya later mike jabcobs #2

hashburry
hashburry

@rico I hope you are right.  I live in SF and the Giants really weren't that concerned with giving him up at the time.  He struggled mightily with his control and he still seems to lack the ability to pitch inside and consistently throw strikes, thus can't go deep into games.  And how long does it take exactly to get control of your mechanics and be consistent?  In today;s game, these guys pitch a lot early and are generally who they are pretty young.  You rarely see pitchers coming into their own after 25 anymore.

xavier22
xavier22

@tk2120 @hashburry  NO NO NO NO NO.  METS FANS WANT EVERYTHING NOW NOW NOW!  Whatever we project onto a player is EXACTLY the kind of player he is.  I thought Wheeler looked disinterested on the mound?  THEN HE'S NO BETTER THAN MIKE PELFREY!!!  SANDY IS A MORON FOR TRADING BELTRAN FOR HIM!!!

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@tk2120 @mets2014 Now we're worried about putting the ball in play, after they sign Young and Granderson. I think that ship has sailed my friend.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@tk2120 @mets2014  Abreu always has been, and always will be, a professional hitter.  I will take an old, fat Abreu off the bench before Ike in any situation. 

tk2120
tk2120

@Zac Tindall  because they're so interchangeable. i meant the relief pitcher they got is really not worth going crazy about, because he is apparently the throw in guy of the deal..the trade will make more sense when its complete

zoddie
zoddie

@hashburry @rico   Good thing Wheeler is 23, then.


Cliff Lee's first great year was when he was 29.  It happens.  Also, Wheeler is 23.  If he turns into a solid #3 starter then the trade for Beltran is still an absolute steal.

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@xavier22 @tk2120@hashburry Your a moron for posting this, your probably the same dope that says the same thing for any player who doesn't curse or throw his glove after giving up a hit or run. When did you develope ESP?. Tell me what I'm thinking right now.


Oh and btw you know they weren't going to sign Beltran right. And they still had a chance to sign him in the offseason and didn't. I guess you forgot the 3 years prior of Beltran's knees. I won't knock Beltran he's a very good player. It's kind of stupid to predict you know what a person is thinking.


Your probably one of the moron's calling for the team to get Reyes back.

bleedblue4
bleedblue4

@tk2120 @Bud Britton Lmao ypur funny Bud don't pull that. You spoke of pressure situations the guy gave you one accept it. Don't use that April crap as a loop hole pressure is pressure he came through eat your crow.

tk2120
tk2120

@metsnjets  you're* -- and why, because i know that Ike Davis is terrible? it's not an opinion, it's complete fact

tk2120
tk2120

@Bud Britton  i'm not concerned with April #'s...i also would not have been opposed to trading Duda and keeping Davis...both are awful, but since the Mets are in charge of the Mets, i'll agree with the guy they chose to trade

Dan Roman
Dan Roman

@Bud Britton  Did you miss the game where Duda single-handedly won a game with two, two run bombs?

Bud Britton
Bud Britton

@tk2120 @MacacawitzIke has more walks than Duda as we speak in far fewer at bats this year, plus Duda is K-ing up a storm this year and hasn't had a significant clutch hit this year. An ounce of pressure he folds, can't play D etc...etc...

tk2120
tk2120

@Macacawitz  yeah..i liked ike, i really did...i tried to even convince myself that he could be a .260, 30 hr guy....but he doesnt adjust, and then wonders why he doesn't get results...i hope he does well in pitt, but ive seen enough that he probably won't be very good there either....the people that are still hanging on to this 30 hr season need to grow up & realize that the game is not only about hr...his on base was 308, and he struck out 140 times..so, sure, 30 jacks is great, but when you do nothing else, 30 hr doesnt hold as much water

why is it bad that davis hits 30 & wright his 25?....because its not about HR, and wright does other things offensively...when you're so one dimensional as Ike, its a problem

even Duda, he's not good either, but at least he walks a little bit

tk2120
tk2120

@Rob DiMartino @tk2120 @tullers  yeah..but they traded Jacobs while he still had value...Ike had become useless..they also traded Yusmeiro Petit, who at the time, was going to be this great pitcher...but yeah that was a killer deal, also a money dump by Fla