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Hudgens says Mets hitters try too hard at home, fans have right to boo

Hitting coach Dave Hudgens told WFAN that the situation at Citi Field is making players press, do too much and perform worse than when on the road.

According to Hudgens, the team’s swing-and-miss rate was up at home compared to on the road, as was their fly-ball rate, line-drive rate, and other key statistics.

“I think it boils down to, when guys are home, they try too hard,” he said. “I mean, they really want to play well there. They work exceptionally hard. And, when you try to hard you over swing and it takes you off the game.”


He says fans have every right to boo Mets players at home, especially guys who are underperforming. However, he added, “Booing isn’t a big deal, it’s what it does to the player. Fans have a right to boo. The Mets have very loyal fans, they’re great and passionate, but it doesn’t help. The guys are trying hard, they don’t want to get booed. I’m not saying fans don’t have the right to boo, but when it happens guys have a tendency to try harder and we see that in the statistics.”

In regards to the organization’s hitting philosophy, he said it’s simple: “Go up to home plate, get a good pitch and hit it.”

The goal is to hit pitches in the strike zone. However, if the pitcher is throwing balls out of the strike zone, he wanted his hitters to work work the count and take a walk.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

The way I understand it, while there are guys who can naturally hit 30 home runs, that player is on the decline, whether because of better pitching, a shift in workouts, PEDs, etc. There are fewer raw power hitters available on the free agent market every winter. So, the Mets, among lots of other teams, are trying to rely on stats and structure to get guys, who may have limited power, to swing at better pitches, which in turn will increase their power potential. The A’s do this very well, obviously. The Mets are having success drafting hitters with this profile, and you see it with Brandon Nimmo and Kevin Plawecki. However, so far, it hasn’t translated in the big leagues, probably because it’s very difficult to teach an old dog new tricks.




219 comments
Chris Gerson
Chris Gerson

I saw a study that looks at the "Fan Cost Index."  It's supposed to be the average cost for a family of four to go to a baseball game.  The Mets are ranked seventh -- it's only more expensive to see a Sox, Yanks, Cubs, Phillies, Giants, and Cardinals game.  Aside from the Cubs, all of these teams have won world series in the past 10 years.  Those fans get what they pay for.  We don't.  


Also, the Mets rank about 22nd in payroll.  So we're paying the 7th most amount of money and in return we have a payroll in the bottom third of the league?  For Sandy to suggest fans are not doing their part to raise revenue is ridiculous.  



stage52
stage52

Anyone that says they know what  the Wilpon's financial status is .......... is full of  you know what.

jaila
jaila

people need to go listen to hudgens on mike, he's more like phil jackson, positivity. he talks about how you dont change much about the hitter's mechanics because thats what brought them to the big league...people should listen to interview.  

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

What he preaches was not working this season or last and that's why he's gone. Hopefully LJ will be able to do what DH was not able to do.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

The entire offensive philosophy of the Mets seems to revolve around taking pitches, building up the pitch count to get to the bullpen.


What kind of philosophy is that?  How about hitting the damn ball and getting hits?  How about not watching pitches right down the middle of the plate?  How about getting actual hitters on team?

drella
drella

Just hearing sandy on michael kay made me hate him even more then i already did.. to say they have the money to spend but then to say in order for the payroll to go up they have to create the revenue for it  is  f****** nuts. 


SELL THE TEAM WE ARE BROKEEE   and people stop going to the dam games, they are making us pay for it 

jonlga
jonlga

This team is a 74 Vega with Terry Collins driving. You can replace him with Wally Backman,, or anybody, but that 74 Vega is still not going to win the Indy 500. The product has to improve.

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

about time people started giving it to the organization the way Francessa and Kay and Lagreca have been today. Sad it took this long. I hope this type of pressure that demands accountability can maybe bring about some change.... then I realized the Wilpons still own the team. 

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

The one thing I like what Hudgens said is SPEND MONEY on GOOD PLAYERS.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

It comes down to the Mets not having good hitters.  Good hitters will hit ANYWHERE, home or away.

blaze
blaze

I'm so tired of hearing the excuse "trying to do too much". The hitter goes up and tries to hit the ball and hope for the best outcome, how is that trying to do too much?

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

never mind the crap team on the field. i heard huey lewis and the news might make a post game appearance. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

SA again said today "revenue must precede spending". To those fans foolish enough to think that the Mets have the money to spend but are choosing not to ....WAKE UP WE ARE BROKE!

mike23
mike23

Finally interviews starting to get more aggressive with this team and their people, lack of money etc....... props to the interviewers. Go get them. 

TheJMan
TheJMan

wow.. not a ringing endorsement of the tv booth....


not sure it's wise Mets.. to get between your fans and the one thing that keeps them tuning in--Keith, Ron and Gary ...


not the product .. on the field 

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

"The way I understand it, ......"


matt you don't understand it. you never have. you are an enabler who landed a dream gig for a classless crap organization. stop with the apologist stuff. just say what should be said by any real mets fan. this team is screwed as long as your boss owns them. plain and simple. have a pair of baseballs or be a sell out. 

jenkins
jenkins

@Rimo Chaloney All good-hitting teams do both. They don't chase pitches and they are ready to hit fat pitches. If you don't swing at balls, you'll walk or get really good pitches to hit.


Mets look like they are guess hitters. If they don't get what they're looking for-they don't swing-and even with 2 strikes.


It's infuriating to watch. They are also terrible situation hitters. They don't understand hitting a flyable kith a man on 3rd and less than two outs or hitting behind runners or leftyspulling the ball with a man on 2nd and no outs. This should be basic and fundamental stuff.

stage52
stage52

@drella  You do have a choice  to pay or not pay. Nobody forces anything on you

stage52
stage52

@metsjetsdu  And the Wilpon's  Grandkids  will own this team when you are in the ground or sitting in an Urn

90wins
90wins

@metsjetsdu The Wilpons will just shut down interviews. It has started with Mike Francessa already.

ken1010
ken1010

@Tarheel11 They have to invest to get a return.  Even though Sandy is a lawyer, he must know that.  He is just protecting Jeff.

His goal every year should be to get to 90 wins, in which case the Mets are in a race and the fans will come out.  If he puts a 70-win team out there, of course it won't be as profitable.  

There were certain things the Mets absolutely needed last offseason, like a high OBP lead-off hitter who could field well.  They passed on Choo, and took CY.  Choo is an example of an investment, which if combined with others, would have paid off, if not this year, certainly over the next few years.

90wins
90wins

@Tarheel11 The Wilpons are sitting on Mets money. Where did the cash from Byrd/Buck trade go to? We got nothing in return for those trades.

mike23
mike23

@Tarheel11 exactly, its a shame that sandy has done such a horrible job though with the money he has had to spend, made the situation that much worse. 

90wins
90wins

@mike23 Well the Wilpons have been pulling back interviews from WFAN. What's next, ESPN? We'll be stuck with "Bible 710" and preach to be a better christian and conservative.

exmetsfan
exmetsfan

@wilpondscm  team stinks - my kids will NOT be Mets fans that's for sure..as much as we collectively hate Yankees and Yankees fans..at least the owners care and the GM doesn't beat around the bush. I always said Cashman was a bad GM..but Sandy is Horrible!!!...Frank Francisco?? Chris Young? Bortolo Colon? Are you kidding me lol? I was dying to get Scott Kazmir who shows something called ENERGY and was homegrown..but they get Bortolo "no emotion' Colon..he fits right in with this franchise

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

@jenkins @Rimo Chaloney 


The situational hitting piece is so noticeable. The failure to advance runners from 2nd to 3rd with no outs is a great example. Other examples are limitless (D'Arnaud taking close pitches with runners on base and the pitcher on deck,etc..) I blame that on the coaching staff. We could make out the lineup card. The coaches, TC, who is the responsible one, need to get their players to play good fundamental baseball. The Mets have really stunk at that. Bad mental mistakes on defense (EY diving for ball, Murphy and Flores both covering 2nd on double play) and  terrible situational hitting are reflections of the coaches. Play good defense and do the little things and this team's pitching could carry them  to respectability, like in April.    

stage52
stage52

@jenkins @Rimo Chaloney  Too many Mets batters are trying to guess pitches and it is obvious. None of them protect the plate or choke up on the bat when they have 2 strikes on them. Sometimes i think the best hitters would rather take a walk in hitters situations .Right on the mark Jenkins.

metsjetsdu
metsjetsdu

@stage52 @drella stage must be a wilpon or related, hes getting really butt hurt over any negative comments

TheJMan
TheJMan

@mikesml


Sandy was asked about Hudgens comments and there was a pregnant pause to his answer and he just dodged it 

"media is the media, the broadcasting is the broadcasting".. yada yada

he didn't sound too pleased answering it and I am sure they're not happy with it and Hudgens gave the world a peek at their feelings 

90wins
90wins

 @wilpondscm Who are you going to root for then? Red Sox, Phillies? F that. 

stage52
stage52

@nhmetsfan @jenkins @Rimo Chaloney  I really think the Mets brought up d"Arnaud a year too soon because of so much time he missed with the injuries. I would give him a pass so far because of that.

stage52
stage52

@jenkins @stage52  That does get frustrating. I don't like seeing it passed to the next guy in that situation.

jenkins
jenkins

@stage52 that's another sore spot for me: if the #7 batter is up with guys on 2nd & 3rd, two outs and a 3-1 count-he takes a fastball at the letters and doesn't even think of teeing off. He takes the walk to bring up Tejada or Darnaud with 2 outs and bases loaded. Guys like Duda does that all the time. He also swings at the first change-up they throw him-no matter where it is.


Infuriating.

jenkins
jenkins

@stage52 @jenkins @Rimo Chaloney true, as someone who also saw Mets games at the Polo grounds, we actually talked about situational hitting and fundamentals in Little League.


In the field, we were taught what to do if the batter hits it to you. Again, basic stuff for 8-year olds.

stage52
stage52

@metsjetsdu @drella  I have been a Met fan since the polo grounds. I learned a  long long time ago not to get emotionally involved. You live a lot longer 

ken1010
ken1010

@Kevin John @90wins @wilpondscm

I'm Mets for life, largely due to 69, 73, 86.  But no 20-year-old is going to have an easy time rooting for the Mets unless they can build a team that can be admired.  And they are nowhere near doing that. 

A whole generation of fans is being lost.

Kevin John
Kevin John

 @90wins @wilpondscm Hopping on the band wagon? Some fan you are. I'm going down with the ship dude! ..as bad as it is, Mets for life! I will, however never purchase another damn ticket again until I see signs of improvement. This is just horrendous 

exmetsfan
exmetsfan

@90wins @wilpondscm  Red Sox lol...I cant watch Mets games anymore...and then we have to listen to these clowns like Sandy and TC..guys are robots

wilpondscm
wilpondscm

@nykjw2 @wilpondscm i should have said taking checks from Bank of America loans passed to the wilpons. 


these ponzi-scheme supporting jerks haven't a clue. criminals. 

nykjw2
nykjw2

@wilpondscm @nykjw2 The problem with that theory is "taking checks from the wilpons"....isn't plausible. The Wilpons are broke.