Curtis Granderson whiffs

Granderson will keep playing, because it’s still April

Terry Collins has no intention of benching Curtis Granderson, who is hitless in a career-high 22 straight at bats.

“He hasn’t changed his demeanor at all, and that’s why I know he’s not letting it get to him,” Collins said after Tuesday’s loss to the Cardinals. “He’s going to battle his way through it. There’s a certain time, and you see it with a lot of guys, where after a while something is going to get slammed down. But he’s handled it great. … It’s April still. We’ve got to get him some at-bats and get him ready.”

Granderson is batting .116 through 80 plate appearances this season, during which he has struck out 30 percent of the time and hit just one home run.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Apr. 22: He’s been brutal, there is no way around it. He has shown zero power and is costing the team on all sides of the ball, including their wallet. … So far, he has a .163 batting average on balls in play, all while swinging at more pitches than he usually does, but making significantly less contact. Pitchers are barely throwing him strikes, yet he just keeps swinging >> Read more.




207 comments
Angela Cole
Angela Cole

Is Granderson related to Jason Bay?  He is at least following the Jason Bay playbook on how to get one last good pay day before I call it quits.  "Hey, I'm gonna retire.  I'll let the Mets fund my retirement."

danielg
danielg

cant wait to see the reaction if grandy starts hitting. I wonder how many anti-grandites here will hop aboard the bandwagon

triviaace
triviaace

Collins wouldn't be my choice for manager of a pee wee team.  He is as bad a judge of talent as any manager in the big leagues.  Ike Davis is a prime example,  He is thriving away from Collins' "leadership"  He has got to go, and the sooner the better.  If Wilpon had any smarts at all he would send Alderson with him.

cver
cver

I know that neither Collins nor Hudgins are the ones up there at the plate, but to keep running them out there as coaches through Jason Bay's struggles, Ike Davis's struggles and now Granderson.  It's not April for those two.  It's crazy that Hudgins has kept his job.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

I am more concerned that this organization thinks so highly of a minor leaguer like Lucas Duda . 

greekgod
greekgod

Mike Francesa said that Grandy is in the middle of a tornado and it would be hard to get out of it although Collins has no choice to keep him in to get him out of it.

boozer
boozer

He just needs to change his uniform.

Worked for Ike!

metstones
metstones

The only thing more brutal than Curtis Granderson is the "lead writer" of this site, Matthew Cerrone.

mi
mi

why is this even a story? hes gunna play all year no matter what and thats the end of it 

Gregory Schreiber
Gregory Schreiber

Even Jason Bay had a decent batting average his first season.

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

Worry not. Once he relocates his needle, the Grandyman can...

fuldsadick
fuldsadick

i see guys continue posting about Ike's 32 HR season...remember Mike Jacobs ?


He hit .247,32 hrs, 93 rbi in 2008..in 2009 he hit 227,19,61 and has been in the minors since..he was out of the majors at the age of 28....

Mike Jacobs career..1900 abs, 100 hrs, 312 rbis, 253 avg

Ike Davis career..over 1600 abs, 71 hrs, 237 rbis, 242 avg


Jacobs may be better and was done at 28...can't even make the Diamondbacks

Doubleday
Doubleday

Granderson is not washed up.  Like I said yesterday, the Mets brought Granderson in to protect David Wright in the batting order, but did NOTHING to protect Granderson.  No team in the league was going to give Granderson good pitches to hit with Ike, Duda, and Satin batting 5th.  Swinging at bad pitches got Granderson off-balance and sank him into a slump.  This is a clear problem of management and the front office, not a problem with the player.  Batting second, Granderson will find his stick - it's an old-school and tested method of ending a slump, and why?  Because pitchers would now rather pitch to Granderson than David Wright.  Nevertheless, the glaring problem caused by the front office remains - the line-up is fraught with weaknesses in the 5-7 positions.  The return of Chris Young will help, as will the moving of Murphy to the 6th spot, but unless Duda can go on a hot streak or we can find a legitimate power hitter, this team is going nowhere.

zoddie
zoddie

@Leif Granlind You mean the guy who's leading the team in OBP and SLG?  And HR?  And is 2nd in RBI (despite having 29 fewer PAs than #1 David Wright)? 


All while making $1.6m?


What else, pray tell, would you want out of Duda?

rodd
rodd

@fuldsadick  poor jacobs took steroids  lastly and was suspended, all year, i guess he was desperate while in the minors

zoddie
zoddie

@fuldsadick Batting average?  RBIs?  What is this, 1980?  Be serious, Ike is better than Jacobs.


Ike career: 112 OPS+, 6.1 lifetime WAR

Jacobs career: 104 OPS+, -2.4 lifetime WAR


That being said, this was a trade that needed to happen.  Duda and Davis in the same organization made no sense.

fatherflot
fatherflot

@fuldsadick And I'm tired of hearing that Ike "never got a chance" with the Mets.  He was handed the starting first base job and given over 4 years and 1500 at bats to prove he deserved to keep it.  He didn't.  Move on and wish him luck.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Victor Triguero  He's probably not done, but after hearing everyone say how he can handle the pressure in NYC...I don't think he can.  On the Yankees he wasn't the #1 or #2 guy.  He can't handle it here, and most of us knew this was going to happen.  I thought it was an awful signing from the start.   


The only way he can start hitting is if the Mets magically transform into a good hitting team on which he can bat in a less key spot in the lineup and not have to face the reporters on a nightly basis.

zoddie
zoddie

@Victor Triguero I'm not in the anti-Grandy camp, but I'll explain it.  I was for the signing, it is way too soon for the boo-birds to be out already, but it is all about confirming a negative narrative...in many ways.


Some people were concerned that Grandy is making less and less contact, striking out more, and watching his BA drop.  He's done exactly that and reinforced everyone's worst fears.


Some people think that every 30-something free agent hitter the Mets sign immediately sucks once he puts on the uniform.  He's immediately sucked.  


Lastly, why should we be critical of Duda or Ike?  Ike hit enough to show he has something left, unlike the beginnings of the last two years.  Duda is currently the Mets best hitter - highest OBP on the team and highest SLG on the team.  Do we not like his haircut?  Duda has been producing.  Tejada is on a short leash, already.  Q has been playing more.  Drew rumors after the draft haven't stopped.  The difference is this is not too much of a surprise.  In two years, when the Mets hope to compete in the World Series, Grandy was definitely part of the team planned to compete. Tejada?  Maybe not.  And, yes, he gets more of a pass because he is 24 years old and is getting paid nothing.




No on expected Grandy to be a superstar.  He didn't get paid superstar money.  We expected .230/.320/.460 from him.  We haven't gotten that.  Yet (I hope).


xplr
xplr

@Victor Triguero  What you are saying is true but here's what you're missing:


No one expected much from Duda or Tejada or Davis. It was possible that NONE of them could have made the roster had the Mets actually spent a few bucks on a real SS and FB. 


Granderson was THE big splash. I'm not saying he's not gonna turn it around, but in your wildest dreams, could you ever imagine him hitting .116?????

hashburry
hashburry

@Victor Triguero  I am surprised he has been this bad out of the gate, but I never expected him to be an impact player.  Alderson totally overvalued him regarding his impact for this team.  $60M may be the going rate for a guy with his history, but to bring him in as the biggest piece to the off season, to a team that had almost nothing else impactful in the lineup was a huge blunder.  Granderson is a complimentary piece to a good to great lineup.  He is a number 2 or 7 hitter (maybe 6th) in a deep lineup that has the usual pieces in place, i.e. a leadoff hitter that gets on, a real power hitter, some more either OBP or power guys.  The Mets have none of that.  It is the same reason DW has numbers that are hollow.  What can DW do by himself?  Not sure why Granderson can't even make contact at this point, but he is certainly not as talented as say Beltran who can hit regardless of the circumstances, even at his age.

zoddie
zoddie

@doubleday First of all, lineup protection is mostly a myth.  Second, your example doesn't even make sense.  Why wouldn't other teams give Grandy pitches to hit with Duda batting 5th?  He's been our best hitter!  He has the highest OBP in the lineup AND the highest SLG in the lineup.


Grandy is sucking because he is swinging at balls in the dirt.  Period.  Babe Ruth could be batting behind him and pitchers would still be throwing breaking balls to him.

p8erbaghad
p8erbaghad

@doubleday So perhaps Ruben's not hitting because there's no protection for him also.  Come on, Granderson is just plain awful right now and it has nothing to do with the lack of protection.

greekgod
greekgod

@doubleday  Makes sense in your analogy; but shouldn't Grandy at least make contact? 

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

You can give me all the stats you want but he will never hit the ball out of the park when it really matters. He never has. Just meaningless soloshots. 

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@greekgod I'm hoping when Alderson becomes The Commish in 2015, he takes the Grandyman to MLB's Times Square office and the GrandyMan can relieve the Wilponzis of the $45M they'll owe him. Hell, let Alderson make Fred and Jeff the new Bud Selig!

fuldsadick
fuldsadick

@fatherflot @fuldsadick i couldnt agree more...they gave him a chance,,he may do well..good luck to him...even Jeff Francouer hit 260,29,103 when he was 22,,played his last game in majors at ripe old age of 29..Kevin Maas had two 20 plus hr years and was out of baseball at 26..Butch Huskey 287,24,81 in 1997 for Mets..out of baseball at 28..happens all the time

Bob Primosch
Bob Primosch

@hashburry @Victor Triguero  There wasn't much to choose from once the Mets determined that they weren't going to open the wallet for Choo or Peralta (and I don't know that they would have signed with the Mets anyway). Granderson was signed because doing nothing was not an option -- it's more about the franchise than the team itself,  a little like the Pedro Martinez deal.  They could not afford to alienate the fan base any further (not to mention David Wright, who has become more public about what he expects from the front office).  Grandy is tough to watch now, but  it doesn't make me yearn for the days of Rick Ankiel and KKKKKirk as everyday players.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@greekgod @doubleday  When the opposition throws off-speed pitches and balls out of the strike zone at a batter to often, the batter begins to flail at anything to perform.  It throws the batter off.  It even happens in little league.  There have been a few exceptions in the big leagues - like Yogi Berra, who was a notorious junk ball hitter - but those hitters are rare.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

I am just focusing on the fact that we are relying on a player to be a big power-guy who hasn't proven that he can be that type of player. And he's not even batting clean-up! They trust him and then they don't trust him... Hmmmmm.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Leif Granlind  Why don't we get rid of the whole team besides Wright, because they're all worse than Duda with RISP.


(Actually, that might not be a bad idea...)

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

Watching him fail in big spots game after game. He cost us the game on Saturday and nearly cost us the game on Sunday batting with the bases loaded. And that's just one weekend. 

zoddie
zoddie

@Leif Granlind Yes.  With men in scoring position, too.  


Duda is batting .300/.533/.600 with RISP.  That's an OPS of 1.133.


Care to try again?  


I don't know where you people come up with this crap.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

@zoddie He's had one fluke game with two two-run homers and one soloshot. This is our power-guy. Duda can´t even spell GRAND SLAM.

zoddie
zoddie

@Leif Granlind Except 2 out of his 3 HRs have come with men on base.   He has a grand total of ONE solo HR this year.  Care to try again?

zoddie
zoddie

@Victor Triguero @ifti99 He gets a leash, but who cares if they are throwing him change ups and splitters?  Lay off them.  Take your walks.  Get on base 40% of the time.  There would be a ton of value if he had a .250 BA and a .395 OBP.

greekgod
greekgod

@Victor Triguero  I see too many pitches over the plate and he misses by a mile. Not good. Not good at all and is the reason why I'm very worried by him not playing well into the season.

Doubleday
Doubleday

@hashburry @doubleday  I still blame A. the management and front office for not protecting Granderson in the batting order (The guy played for the Yankees - he didn't have to be THE guy over there), and B. Hudgens.  He is the worst hitting instructor on the planet.  In his brief ML career, Hudg hit .143 - hardly an expert.  By comparison, Chris Young sought advice from Rod Carew, and from that brief encounter, CY is hitting much better.

hashburry
hashburry

@doubleday That excuse can explain some of his failings, but I am with greekgod here.  Granderson can't hit anything at this point.  Fastballs down the middle, sliders curves, good pitches, mistakes.  Maybe it is a confidence issue, or "trying to do too much" but this isn't his first big contract and he really should be past trying to prove anything.  There is just nothing positive about his play.  And I didn't realize he can't throw the ball.