Granderson out of lineup, Abreu bats cleanup

Curtis Granderson is again out of Friday’s starting lineup, which is as follows:


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Granderson did not start Thursday’s game due to a ‘calf issue,’ though he did pinch hit later in the game.

He was on field doing a pre-game work with teammates, “so this does not appear to be a serious left calf issue,” reporter Adam Rubin said on Twitter before the game (ESPN, June 13).

Granderson is hitting .281 in 135 at bats with seven HR and 23 RBI with a .389 on-base percentage since May 1.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

Clearly, Granderson is going to be fine. The lineup, however, is a different story… I mean, look at it. If you had told me on the last day of last season that Bobby Abreu, Chris Young and Lucas Duda would comprise the heart of this year’s order, on any date, let alone June 13, I would never have believed you. Yet, here we. Godspeed, Terry, I guess this lineup is as good of any at this point…




188 comments
dooley
dooley

Thank you so much for including WAR; it's about time!

upstaphan
upstaphan

Wilpon Strategy: Lie to the fans for half a decade and keep telling them you are "rebuilding while remaining competitive", sign only second and third rate free agents on the cheap and hope to catch lightening in a bottle again and again, don't make any impactful trades, field a team of mostly AAAA scrubs and hype them up as much as possible before they fall flat on their face and the next guy is inserted into the line up, charge ridiculously high prices for a crap team, pocket all the cash from your TV an MLB deals, hope the suckers keeping coming out to the ballpark to watch this trash, keep payroll as low as possible,keep the same moronic manager with a terrible record on staff for years because he will do whatever he is told just to keep his job, totally mismanage every single PR situation or non-story that surrounds the team and make yourself look like total idiots, hire a terrible medical staff that mismanages injuries on a regular basis, throw your players under the bus on a regular basis then send them back out there, don't worry too much about the fundamentals or baseball IQ, don't care at all when the teams completely sucks for years on end and is unwatchable on nightly basis,  hide out from the media and never show your face in public, blame the fans for not coming out to the park and booing as an excuse for not signing good players and for the team playing like crap, and always keep lying that a great team is right around the corner.


How is that working out for you?


And don't tell me about all the great young pitching, you need to farm good position players who provide good offense and defense as well and good organizations produce a steady stream of both, AND sign good free agents AND make trades.

D
D

Too bad the NHL playoffs can't be extended through the end of September

90wins
90wins

It is going to be another long dreadful game tonight. A thunderstorm advisory is in place for 8.30 tonight. Citi field will probably be even more empty than yesterday. When will the Wilpons realize that they are destroying the Mets enterprise value and in turn destroying whatever assets they own in the team. This team is going down financially like Kodak. The Mets are not relevant anymore.

kingman76
kingman76

Can't believe you're using that subjective Wins Above Replacement (WAR) stat. 

Doubleday
Doubleday

Poor CY - his WAR is the same as Bartolo's.  I don't even know what the WAR is, but it can't be good.

bsp123
bsp123

When will Sandy finally be held responsible for this Terry roster?

chiescuela
chiescuela

I don't get the "if you would have told me that Abreu, Duda and Young would have been the heart of the lineup at any point" comment. Duda and Young were penciled in to the heart of the lineup. If it wasn't going to be Abreu joining them, in the event of an injury to Granderson or Wright going in to the season it would have been Josh Satin or Andrew Brown rounding out Murderer's row. Let's not pretend that this lineup wasn't foreseeable.

ken1010
ken1010

Chris Young was a gamble.  It could have worked, and he could have been another Byrd.  

But it didn't work.  Negative WAR means its time to move on.  I hope EY replaces him permanently. 

Darrell Smith
Darrell Smith

Were like Seattle. They have the same problems as we do , and they have Cano.

Eddie McAniff
Eddie McAniff

iT'S COME DOWN TO THIS F..ING ABREU BATTING CLEAN UP....I AM SO DONE WITH THIS STUPID TEAM...

yankeehater
yankeehater

This is actually the best thing that can happen. We know the Mets wont spend anymore so the only way to ever get good players is by drafting very high.....and despite what many have said....and despire how unproven they are....i really think the Mets have done a nice job on their last 4 #1 picks (5 if you count plawecki in the supplemental round).

Keep losing and keep getting top 10 picks. Its a lousy way to have to compete for a NY team but it does eventually work.

Michael Zvirblis
Michael Zvirblis

Lol. Soon the delusional will stop going to games. The only folks at the stadium are the folks getting paychecks to be near the stupidity.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

Only the Mets could have a clean-up hitter who was out of baseball last year.


And only the Mets would give 7.5 million to a player like Chris Young.


Thanks Sandy and Fred!

tullydew
tullydew

The All-Time Sandy Era Lineup

CF Jason Pridie

2B Brad Emaus

RF Nick Evans

1B Valentino Pascucci

3B Zach Lutz

LF Vinny Rottino

C Josh Thole

SS Ronny Cedeno

P Pat Misch

Alex Cooper
Alex Cooper

Abreu batting cleanup and Tejada batting leadoff over someone who is a top 5 hitting prospect at ss. I'm done with this season.

Reese Kaplan
Reese Kaplan

Here's a thought -- since Tejada after his so-called "hot streak" is hitting .222 (woo-hoo!) why not just hand the job for a month to Flores to let him get into a groove? 

cver
cver

@upstaphan Boy, when you put it that way - geez, that's all totally accurate.  Anyone who makes a case that the Wilpons have the right to keep their franchise would have a hard time arguing that, if they are trying to knock down your points one-by-one.  It's quite an indictment.

90wins
90wins

@D NHL stinks and I'm annoyed that people are talking about it on the radio. I really hope the Rangers go down quickly and New Yorkers move on and focus about real sports news; Mets and Yankees.

cver
cver

@ken1010 Byrd didn't cost more than 7 mil, but I totally get what you're saying.  But also, the fact that they are paying him so much has made it very unlike Byrd or, for example, Valverde, who they just ditched.  If the team is so scrapped for cash that they cannot afford to eat, what is,at this point, about 4.5 mil, first of all, it's pathetic, but more importantly, then Alderson can't go on a hunch like he did, dooming a spot in the rotation day in and day out.  It's not like the rest of the lineup is so good that he can just hide in the 8 hole.  Terry's running him out there in the #5 spot - and that's moronic!  The ol' "I've got to get him going" routine.  Sometimes that actually works, but well, frankly, I'd probably have Brown or Campbell playing and batting 5th instead.  Alderson clearly has some obsession with the name Chris Young and anybody who has ever played for the A's or Padres.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@ken1010  He wasn't worth the gamble at 7.5 million in my opinion.  I doubt any other team gives him that money.

chiescuela
chiescuela

@ken1010 Maybe the better gamble was on Byrd being another Byrd. He isn't having a great season, but at least he's still a legitimate major league bat.

cver
cver

@yankeehater The problem is that I'm not sure they know how to pick players in the draft either.

bptomatoes
bptomatoes

keep stocking up on young pitching and trade for bats. no free agent bat wants to sign with mets unless overpaid like grandy.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

"Only the Mets could have a clean-up hitter who was out of baseball last year."

An ironic statement if you were one of the people that had feelings for or agains Byrd last year.

Ricky
Ricky

@tullydew That lineup could probably beat the 2014 Mets...

theglider
theglider

Because they don't see Flores as a shortstop. He was a poor defensive player in AAA and this team, with Murphy at second, doesn't want that defense up the middle.

kingman76
kingman76

@Doubleday @kingman76  The WAR value recorded for a player is claimed to reflect the number of additional wins their team has amassed relative to the number of expected team wins if that player was substituted by a replacement level player.  So in other words if Wright's WAR was 3 - he would provide the team 3 more wins because he is on the team then if he was not.  If someone's WAR is negative 1 for example - them being on the team cost them 1 win throughout the entire season.


It's so subjective that it's meaningless in my eyes.

jamets
jamets

@BringBackDaveTelghe Yup, two years in a row they've a had a clean-up hitter that was out of baseball the year before. 


And both guys were excellent pick-ups.

jamets
jamets

@theglider I agree with you, but if Flores was hitting .330 right now instead of .230, he'd be in the lineup.   He needs to hit more when he gets his chances if he wants to play.

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

@kingman76 @Doubleday So, doesn't this silly WAR stat compare the player to his replacements. If Wright is a 3, that means that he is good for 3 more wins than they would have with his replacement playing? So, isn't this an indictment on the quality of your bench players as much as it is an accolade for the starting player? What am I missing about this DUMB STAT?

hothamwate
hothamwate

Miami has one from Japan and they're winning.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@jamets @BringBackDaveTelghe  Abreu wasn't meant to be a full-time player.  The sad state of the Mets offense has made it necessary for him to hit clean-up and play on an almost regular basis. 


This is more an indictment of Sandy than anything else.

chiescuela
chiescuela

@jamets @BringBackDaveTelghe Yes, they were great pickups and if the Mets had already had a solid lineup, they are the type of pickups that can put a team over the top. Think Jose Valentin being added to a lineup that had Wright, Reyes, Delgado, Beltran and Floyd and having Valentin put up a top 5 season at his position. But when you're adding a nice surprise to a very predictably bad lineup, they aren't doing much for you. 

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@jamets @theglider  Regardless of position or defensive skill, any player than can consistently hit .330 will find himself in the everyday lineup.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@hothamwate  Difference is McGehee was brought into be a starter, while Abreu was brought in as an aging, at the end of his carreer pinch hitter off the bench mostly.  But on this bad offensive Mets team, Abreu has become perhaps the Mets best hitter.

jamets
jamets

@gloveman @jamets @Rimo Chaloney @theglider  That's true, he did hit a couple balls hard.  But that has been pretty rare.  And when he came up with the bases loaded and 1 out he hit a weak grounder to 2B on the 1st pitch.

jamets
jamets

@Rimo Chaloney @jamets @theglider  Look, Flores has a golden opportunity here.  This team is so bad offensively that they're willing to overlook his D and give him a chance to show he can play. Stop making excuses for him.  He needs to hit.  Whether its once a week, as a pinch-hitter, whatever.  This is his chance and he's wasting it.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@jamets  As does every other Met player on the roster.  Why punish him more so than others?

jamets
jamets

@Rimo Chaloney @jamets  Because he is a one dimensional player who is here strictly for his bat.  If he doesn't hit, he can't play.


Some of our other terrible offensive players can play defense or steal bases or hit for power... that gives them a little more room for error.

fhc1224
fhc1224

@jamets @Rimo Chaloney even if he is hitting the same ba as tejeda, he drives in more runs and has more power.  defensively he has been as good if not better then tejeda.  there is no justification for his not being in the lineup

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@jamets @Rimo Chaloney  I'm sorry, you can't sit a young player because he doesn't get 3 hits every game.  (And you have to play him after he does have a big game).


Also, this playing other players who play better defense or steal bases is doing wonders for this anemic Mets team, isn't it?

jamets
jamets

@Rimo Chaloney @jamets  Really?  You think the problem is he isn't getting 3 hits every game?  He's hitting  .231/.265/.308 after hitting .211/.248./.295 last year.  Other than his one big game, he's been worse than Chis Young.  So no, he doesn't have to get 3 hits every game, but he's gonna have to show some sign of being able to play at this level, and so far, I haven't seen it.

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@jamets @Rimo Chaloney  No he doesn't have to get 3 hits every game.  It just feels like he has to.  Since his 6 rbi game in Philly in June 2nd, he's gotten 3 starts in 10 games, getting 2 hits in one of those starts.  And again tonight he sits.