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Gee, Colon, Murphy and Niese might make good trade bait

The July 31 non-waiver trade deadline is six weeks away…


In a column for today’s paper, Joel Sherman says it’s time for the Mets to give up and trade Dillon Gee, Bartolo Colon, Daniel Murphy and Jon Niese (NY Post, June 19).

“I know it feels like the endless rebuild,” he says. “But, the only way to escape the Groundhog’s Day of repeated failure is to find ways to add more talent,” specifically for “position players who will help no later than next year.”

The Blue Jays, Orioles, A’s, Angels, Rangers and Mariners will all be looking to add a starting pitcher this summer, according to Sherman, who points out that Angels 1B prospect C.J. Cron and Rangers 2B prospect Rougned Odor are blocked by players on their big-league teams.

There’s speculation that Dillon Gee could be a fit for the Angels, who likely don’t have what it takes to acquire either Jeff Samardzija or David Price (Rosenthal, June 19).

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I have no interest in seeing the Mets trade these guys for prospects that I may never see. I’m sick of waiting on this rebuild. So, I’d trade anyone, as long as it makes this team better, MUCH sooner than later.

For instance, I’d trade Niese, but only in a package with other prospects to acquire a proven hitter, under contract, that can help right now, as well as future seasons. Plus, moving Niese frees up his money for next season, which could be used to sign another hitter. The same can be said for Colon, but I suspect interested teams will be leery of his age and money and the return will be less than Alderson is asking.

As for Murphy, my hunch is the Mets will not trade him, even though he’s going to get a slight bump in pay next year, after which he can be a free agent. For starters, he’s the only guy they have who hits at home and on the road. Also, if they trade him, they need to find a second baseman. So, the net result of any deal will likely work against the Mets. Still, in the end, he’s worth more to the Mets than what they’ll be offered. That was evident last winter, when the talked with teams about his value, and I bet it’s the same this summer and winter. In other words, until the Mets have a legit option to replace Murphy (and all that be brings to the team), I can’t see them moving him any time soon.




492 comments
Mex_17_for_HOF
Mex_17_for_HOF

C.J. Cron is already in the bigs - he's DH'ing for the Angels every day. ^ HR's in 116 PA's, OPS of .846. He's at least league average at 1b, and if he keeps producing like he is, would be a good pickup for us. Maybe he can play OF better than Duda - be nice to have both of them in tle lineup.

wheveygard
wheveygard

Free up all of the 5 million for a hitter from trading Niese? Oh man that might just get us a downgrade from Chris Young. I don't get why people want to trade veterans so much. Gee, Niese, and Murphy are major pieces for us. Murphy getting paid 10 million dollars for the rest of his career is an extension I would love to see.

sickofit
sickofit

Murphy is the only consistent hitter we have and he's that very rare middle infielder who hits from the left side. And he also that very rare lefty hitter who hits lefties as well as righties. He's as unique as they come and totally irreplaceable. 

Nick Orozco
Nick Orozco

Murphey is only getting older he's 29 now which means he's at peak value. We're at least 2 years away from contending unless the Wilpon's open up their purses and spend on some Veteran hitters. People say don't trade Murphey, but realistically we would only re-sign him for 2 years after next year then nobody would want a mediocre 2B with no range who's at best a UT. Cash in now while we can and build for the future. Yes he's an excellent player and I'd hate to see him go, but 2B can be manned by Flores until Herrera comes up.

Jeff Lubatkin
Jeff Lubatkin

I can't say that I disagree with the article.  Clearly there are guys on the MLB roster and throughout the entire organization that you'd rather not trade, but we need help.  Not Jason Isringhausen for Billy Taylor help.  Not Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano help, but fortifying the organization with MLB ready young offensive prospects for the OF, 1B, SS and 2B.


Other than David Wright, there are five guys (all pitchers) that I want to build the team around: Harvey, Wheeler, Syndegard, Familia and Mejia.  Everyone else, for the right price, should be available in a deal.  If there another list of  5 that are near untouchables it would be Herrera, Nimmo, Niese, Rosario and Dom Smith.


I've been a Murph fan since day 1.  But we're getting to a point where is salary will outweigh his value.  You can't help but admire Gee.  Unheralded, average stuff but he battles.  If this team was a first place club, I'd want him around but I'm not sure his external value will be any higher and it's time to sell this asset.


Trading Colon is a no brainer.  He can be this year's Byrd and he'll free up some payroll.


Trades must happen.  Next year's free agent class is very thin. 

cliffy44
cliffy44

Trade Murphy and Collins; BUT, do NOT trade Niese or Gee; and especially, DO NOT TRADE COLON, HARVEY or DICE K.
Why is it that when there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel, that Sandy decides that he isn't really interested in a pennant?
I wish that the Mets had management that cared about and respected the wishes of the fans; and even of us lowly bloggers.
I mean, without the support of the Met's followers, the Mets would stand the chance of being another Philadelphia Philthies (not a typo).

bigslick
bigslick

Do NOT trade Murphy, Niese or Gee. These guys are in the beginning of their prime - they are part of the solution, NOT the problem!

Trade Colon, Dice K, Abreu, CY, Duda, Tejada and even EY Jr.

We are not that far away from competing, the pitching staff is ready and on the cheap.......we just need to;

1. FIRE Terry

2. Hire Wally

3. Sign Nelson Cruz - yes overpay

4. Sign Hanley - yes, way overpay (we can afford after CY and Colon go)

Chaka Paul
Chaka Paul

The Mets need to trade Colon and I used to say Gee but the more I think about it trading either Wheeler or Thor would make more sense for 2 reasons. We would get a better haul in return and I think every pitching staff needs a starter that doesn't have much stuff but can just flat out pitch and that is Gee. I would be down to trade Niese to free up his salary but it isn't logical since he is the ONLY left handed starter on our roster and even in the upper minors. In fact I can make a claim for us trying to get another solid Left handed starter not getting rid of the only one we have. I used to lobby for the Mets to trade Murphy, even tho I love him, but now I think it would be better to keep him. I don't think we are as bad as it seems. If we put together a nice package of our young pitchers + a separate trade of Colon I know we can get a solid OF + I think that's all we really need to turn our fortunes around. We have excellent pitching but have lost lots of 1 run games.  

Jim McEnroe
Jim McEnroe

Trade bait? what is this guy nuts? We got lots of prospects we need guys who can play. We're not gonna get better by always giving up out best players. The name of the game doc is to get rid of the lousy players and keep the good ones. 

thwacker
thwacker

Hate to lose Niese or Gee but must get an MLB-ready good hitter in their 20's.  And with all the talk about spending more, I'm more worried about who they get - not another Bay, CY, so-so Curtis. Look into why the other teams are letting their guy go, Sandy!  They know him best.

bbr7
bbr7

I have a fever , and the only prescription is trading colon and some young pitching for a home run hitter

Patrick LeGrady
Patrick LeGrady

Never trade Murphy. You need to bring in more players like him

brrrandooo
brrrandooo

Everyone wants to trade for a "big bat", so does every  other team in the MLB it's not easy to do, you need a team with opposite needs AKA pitching that were willing to give up.  The player needs to help NOW, and the FUTURE.  Also, the most often big bats are picked up through FA and we messed up this offseason with Cruz/Abreu, I don't know what boppers are available this offseason but likely this won't come VIA trade

donw
donw

Using Murphy in a trade now makes sense because:

1.  He is at peak value

2.  It clears 2B for Flores

3.  We can upgrade another position (1B, SS, or LF)

4.  We can reinvest his salary to lock in the good pitchers like Harvey

ShawnP
ShawnP

I highly doubt their going to make any moves at all-same BS season after season-I'd love a trade for a big bat like most of us,unfortunately Baldy is notorious for sitting on his hands doing nothing at this time of year.


Now the Phills are even a game ahead of us,and we are right were Baldy loves us to be-the cellar dwellers.

So sick of this sht!

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Ask yourself this.

Do you really think the Mets will increase payroll for next year? 

If they do NOTHING and let CY and Dice K walk, they will incur around a 15M increase in payroll next year. Does anyone really think they will do that? I sure as hell don't see them increasing payroll. Best case they look to stay constant which means dealing salary

drmetfan
drmetfan

Here is a trade.

Niese, Germen, Puello and Murphy to the Dodgers for Dee Gordon and Jac Perderson.

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

Why even write this crap?


It would really be stupid to trade two solutions, Gee and Niese. Pure idiocy.


And what is Murphy going to bring in from an AL team? 


And Colon? Why ruin his clubhouse chemistry by getting rid of his steroids? Without it, we may be batting .128 as a team.

moeb
moeb

c lagares

lf conforto rf nimmo

ss cechinni 2b herrera

3b wright 1b smith

c d'arnaud

harvey meija

wheeler black

matz familia

degrom leatherstich

montero edgin

granderson will be traded

niese gee murph will be traded.

our future lineup

jonlga
jonlga

If we trade Murphy and get a hitter back we've swapped one position for another. And what have we accomplished, other than losing our best batter?

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

Easy Fix:  All we need to do is trade Scott Rice and Colon to Colorado for Tulowitzki, then trade Tejada to Miami for Stanton, then package Chris Young and Nieuwenhuis to the White Sox for Abreu, and then send Duda to the Yankees for Tanaka and Betances.  It's so easy!


Some of you need lessons on what a realistic trade looks like.

Anthony Giammattei
Anthony Giammattei

I hate to say this because David Wright's a great guy.  But why not him too?  He'll bring nothing but consternation for the Mets over the next 8 years. I really hope he proves me wrong.

Mex_17_for_HOF
Mex_17_for_HOF

@Nick Orozco  Murph's not average - he's above league average in defensive stats, which, with his offense, makes him well above average and worth at least $10 mil per year. He shouldn't decline that much at the plate for at least 4-5 years.

1345rmw
1345rmw

I say make some trades for decent hitters,if Collins can't win with better player then fire him

1345rmw
1345rmw

Me too they are the reason this team sucks

happy hank
happy hank

@donw and what if Flores is a bust? the SS, 1B, LF prospect could also fail. they are called prospects for a reason sometimes u strike gold and sometimes it's led. 

brrrandooo
brrrandooo

@donw It really depends what you think we could get for him?

Eddie_Dean
Eddie_Dean

@Haig Mathosian Why? You'd get nothing back for him right now unless you picked up a major chunk of his salary, which you know the Mets are never going to do. They wouldn't even buy out bad contracts when they HAD money. Might as well keep him and hope he turns it around.

blaze
blaze

Where are the players you got back with those trades

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

The ss can't hit in low A ball.Plus teams are never made up all from own minors.Would be nice but not gonna happen.Rosario at ss.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

@moeb lineup fails,  you can only develop 2 players at a time in a major league lineup.  it wold take 10 years of developing and phasing people out to get to this,  wright would be retired. 80% of these guys will also fail as major leaguers.  1 in every 5 top prospects pan out.  math is against this.

jamets
jamets

@jonlga  Well Murphy is only under team control for 1 more year, so if you're swapping him for someone younger who will be around for 4-5 years, then you have accomplished something.  More likely, you trade him for 2-3 prospects and hope that they can fill multiple holes.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@jonlga  I think if you traded for an outfielder, the assumption would be that Flores could play 2nd base (at least until Herrera was ready). Would having Flores at 2nd and presumably a good outfielder obtained in a trade be better than Murphy and EY or CY?

mrmet4mvp
mrmet4mvp

@jonlga Hey now, no fair applying sound logic to a discussion about trades.

Brian McCarthy
Brian McCarthy

Plus they should eat a lot of salary.Look at those players we gave up.lol

drmetfan
drmetfan

I agree. Love the guy but it is time to move on. Trade him to the Red Sox for Boegarts and prospects.

tullydew
tullydew

Wright is not untouchable.

Time to change the culture of losing.

Blake Paget
Blake Paget

I'm pretty sure they bought out Castillo, Perez and Bay...

jonlga
jonlga

Flores is a 220 hitter and unproven. Any new outfielder would have to be able to hit at Citifield. Conceivably we could trade a .300 and replace him with a pair of nobody's. Why?

jonlga
jonlga

Don't get me started about trading Niese then.

ShawnP
ShawnP

@drmetfan  Wright deserves the chance to at least play for a contender for maybe a shot at a WS championship.


Love the guy too-but it's time to let him go,he's been so loyal to this organization and to the clowns running this circus,he doesn't deserve this sht.

Pete Brilvitch
Pete Brilvitch

@jonlga  I like Murph, but the reality is that he's a .300 hitter with warts. Does a .300 average, with limited power, make up for marginal defense (that seems to have regressed) and suspect base running? Assuming that you could get a good outfielder in a trade, it would make sense if you believed in Wilmer. I don't know what Flores can really do because he hasn't had much of an opportunity to play.

I'm not necessary saying that Murphy should be traded, but he shouldn't be untouchable either. Not sure anyone on this team should be untouchable.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@jonlga I'm not saying to trade Murphy but you have to look at it like the front office is, money first. Murphy will probably make around 9M through arbitration for next year. This team is money strapped and the finances are first in their decision making process. They will look and say can they use that 9M better somewhere else and plug a Flores there. 

At the end of the day it's money first. And they are going to have to move a Gee, Neise, Murphy or  Colon to move some payroll going into next year. I'm not saying I agree with it but that's the reality.  

Peter Buell
Peter Buell

don't forget he's a 40 double maN every year it's not just singles

jamets
jamets

@Pete Brilvitch @jonlga It would be hard to trade Murphy because that would make our offense even worse in the short term, BUT  I think its the right move.   

Unless you want to let him walk as a FA after next year and get nothing in return, you either have to trade him or sign him to a long term deal (3-4 years).  And I hate the idea of signing him to a deal that would start in 2016 when he is 31 years old.  Most players are clearly in decline by their early 30s, and Murphy sure as heck can't afford to lose a step in the field.