Game recap: Nationals 7 – Mets 1

Recap: The Nationals evened the three-game set, gaining a 7-1 win over the Mets on Tuesday in Washington.



Need to Know: Washington banged three home runs, two of which came from Adam LaRoche, as the Nationals built a 3-0 lead from the start. Danny Espinosa’s sixth-inning three-run homer broke the game open, giving the Nats a 6-0 advantage. Jon Niese dropped his fourth straight decision, surrendering six runs and eight hits in six innings. Washington starter Doug Fister allowed one run in 7 1/3 innings, picking up the win.


Game Ball: LaRoche struck a two-run homer in the first inning off Niese, then added a long homer off Carlos Torres in the eighth inning. The lefty picked up Washington’s first multi-homer game this season.

Links: AP Recap | Box

What’s Next: The Mets will turn to rookie Jacob deGrom (6-5, 2.77) for the series finale in Washington. The Nationals will counter with Jordan Zimmermann (7-5, 3.00) with the first pitch coming at 12:35 p.m.




100 comments
Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Mets have now been treading water for the past week. What's distressing is that the losses have all been eerily similar. The team cannot hit a decent pitcher. And the overall effort in these games just isn't there. Darling and Ojeda were very candid about Niese's problems last night. If they can see it why can't Dan Warthen?

Vincent Santiago
Vincent Santiago

I'm telling you right now something is wrong with Niese. He is not this bad and his fastball is a joke, they have to check this guy. 

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

A shame Niese isn't pitching well..a lefty starter would be worth more in a trade for a power bat... Matz will be up eventually next year and throws a lot harder than Niese.

rstpigeon
rstpigeon

Niese doesn't look like he was ready to return and I have some doubts about Gee. Is there some requirement from MLB or the PA that a player not be left to rehab starts for an extended period of time? Both look like they could have used more time. Is it just that they can't keep extending them if the team thinks their readiness falls between the cracks of a certain DL list? Seems there is a better way to manage all this.


I have no delusions about making the playoffs, I only want this team at .500 and neither of these guys is making that happen.

birtelcom
birtelcom

With his hit in last night's game, David Wright moved to the top of this (rather sad) list:

Most Hits in Mets Regular Season Losses:

1. David Wright 711

2. Ed Kranepool 710

3. Cleon Jones 552

4. Jose Reyes 523

5. Mookie Wilson 494 

Jack Fitzpatrick
Jack Fitzpatrick

Larry Vanover might be the worst of a terrible crew of umpires. You can see how bad the umpiring is by the number of reversals on the replays.

CocoaBeachnut
CocoaBeachnut

Niese's breaking ball has no bite. It looks like he may be suffering tired arm syndrome. Release CY, trade Colon for whatever, bring up Syndergaard, go with 6 man rotation.

Paul Grzymalski
Paul Grzymalski

I d trade Niese and Chris Young for a bag of athletic supporters right now.....i sense a pitching duel with Mets in it the entire game while never making up that 1 run deficit thru 9 innings

clyde69
clyde69

The 29-year-old All-Star shortstop was hurt while running out a grounder at Pittsburgh late last month.

The trip to the disabled list was Tulowitzki's first this season but he has taken days off to rest his chronically tight legs. The leg issues date to 2008 when he tore the left quadriceps tendon.


Both players can not avoid injuries.Mets should go for

Melky Cabrera and Starlin Castro.Trade Colon and releasing C.Young saves $18+mm.Other moves are trading

Parnell,EY Jr,and even the K machine called Granderson if possible.


Bring up R. Montero to offset pitcher(s) lost in obtaining Starlin Castro.


The Wilpons have to increase our payroll to at least $110mm.The Mets need depth in position players.

clyde69
clyde69

No Tulo nor Cargo.



The 29-year-old All-Star shortstop was hurt while running out a grounder at Pittsburgh late last month.

The trip to the disabled list was Tulowitzki's first this season but he has taken days off to rest his chronically tight legs. The leg issues date to 2008 when he tore the left quadriceps tendon.


Both players can not avoid injuries.Mets should go for

Melky Cabrera and Starlin Castro.Trade Colon and releasing C.Young saves $18+mm.Other moves are trading

Parnell,EY Jr,and even the K machine called Granderson if possible.


Bring up R. Montero to offset pitcher(s) lost in obtaining Starlin Castro.


The Wilpons have to increase our payroll to at least $110mm.The Mets need depth in position players.



Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Listen, I've never been high on Niese. The entire time he has been part of this team, he has managed to put together 1 good season. The rest have been marred with injuries & sub-par performance. However, the Mets need him to turn things around quickly. Either Niese or Gee are being traded this offseason, possibly both. The difference is that Niese can be packaged with other players to bring back a bat, whereas Gee can't. If Niese doesn't turn it around the Mets are going to be forced to add more valuable pieces to any trade they make this offseason. It is imperative that he fixes whatever ails him & he does it ASAP. As for Gee, we are seeing the pitcher he really is. He's nothing more than a hit or miss, streaky, 5th starter. Mets fans love him, but he has no value outside this organization. He's too much of a Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde type player to get anything of substance in return for. Plus, it's not exactly like he has "plus" stuff that a team may think they can work with. He's an average pitcher with average stuff, but the heart of a lion. The bottom line is that Niese needs to pick it up. Even if he's not traded, you can expect Colon to be gone for 2015. If Niese can't show that he can be a reliable, veteran pitcher on this team that teaches the youngsters, then Aldersom is going to be forced to spend some of his limited budget on a veteran pitcher to bring in to lead the staff. There are better used for that money than another pitcher.

As a side note, did anyone see Javier Baez's opposite field shot against the Rockies on Tuesday? Forget about Starlin Castro, Baez is the guy the Mets should target from the Cubs. Baez is one of the very few players that I would trade Syndergaard for & just tune in the rest of the year because you will see exactly why I am saying that.

Dave D'Agnese
Dave D'Agnese

It's sad that I hope for losses so the manager gets fired.

wingo43
wingo43

Niese's shoulder is messed up.  He's 5 mph slower on his fastball.  It's amazing he's had the year he's had, up to this point.  


I wish we knew more about the health of Niese and Wright.  Both having shoulder issues.

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Id give Niese and Gee one more start. if neither perform, I'd trade em to the cubs or Rockies. Throw Colon in that mix

robby
robby

Niese will be ok.  He's just having a hard time right now.  Anyway, the Mets can;t score runs or hit except for Murph he's a great hitter.  So all you Niese bashers calm down.  What we should be worried is about the inconsistency of this team.  One day they score tons of runs the next day 0 to 1.  Very annoying 

Ramon Bonilla
Ramon Bonilla

I'm a Mets fan since the day they came to the league,the only thing i'm going to said is that Niese, Gee and Wheeler have is a head case,when ever they put men on base they get all rattle and loose concentration,the Mets should get someone to work with they head.

fhc1224
fhc1224

Niese is a quality pitcher despite this bad stretch but that does not mean there are no concerns.  Yes his velocity in down but not by much.  He was consistently hitting 90 -91 tonight which is just a tick below where he used to be.  My concern is his absolute devotion to the cutter.  Yes he has a good cutter when it is on but it seems that he throws it so much that his other pitches have lost thier effectiveness.  When he first came up, he had one of the best curveballs of any lefty in the game.  It was a swing and miss pitch and one he seemed to be able to throw for effective strikes.  Now he rarely throws his curve and when he does it is slow with a long easy to read break that guys can time and get good wood on.  I think the cutter is killing his curve.  He needs to rely less on the cutter and go back to incorporating his curve more, use his change up a little more, and maybe throw a four seemer once in awhile.  He can still use the cutter but pick his spots, it will be more effective as will the pitches that got him to the majors in the first place.  Right now I think Nieses problems are more mental then physical.

cver
cver

Still think we should have sold high on Niese, although I did read that a lot of teams are also as wary of his arm as I am.  Still enough left on his low-priced contract to find a taker to give up something of value, I suppose, but sure, wouldn't have given him away.  I still like him though.  I just wonder who is more capable of winning these next starts of his, if he even can stay off the DL - him or the "new Montero"?  He's lost 4 in a row.  If we'd won even two of those games...


And to be clear, I'm not now saying "dump Niese".  That would be selling low.  For those that recall, I wanted to trade him for Reyes in the off-season and still would have considered trading him in a package for a hitter a few weeks ago.

darkknight
darkknight

The stupidity in these comments is getting tough to read. Dump Niese? My god. If this team was 5 wins over .500 you would appreciate Niese for the very good pitcher that he is, even when he's on a cold streak.

Gee was a top 5 pitcher for a full year and some and you are replacing him in the rotation with Matz ? Or trying to get rid of him?

Please people. Think logically. Just try it.

Max Denby
Max Denby

Niese and Gee have both looked bad.  It's all about the young guns now.  Bring up thor. 

mvmet
mvmet

watched it early..saw where it was going and glad I got stuff done instead of this same old same old...getting to be routine

nym68
nym68

Psssst. Kemp hit another HR tonight... let the "I told you we needed to trade for Kemp at the deadline. Now it'll cost us thrice as much" to begin

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

NIese looked horrible..good luck trying to trade him Gee or Colon.

sheaheykid
sheaheykid

@Albert E Lewis I'd rather see Mr. Brown, my high school algebra teacher, in the OF than CY.  We called him "the chicken man" because he bobbed his head as he walked.  At a minimum he'd keep the OF clear of any bird seed.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Agreed. And this guy is a veteran. Some truly awful calls. And very confrontational as well.

Steve Finelli
Steve Finelli

@CocoaBeachnut You won't see Syndergaard because he's got only 45 innings left.  Most of the rest will be involved in MILB playoffs so I don't think u will see all the call ups u r expecting.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

@CocoaBeachnut  Whats worse is if we go into the end of the season with Gee and Niese not pitching well and that may force Sandys hand to trade Murph  and young pitching for a power bat.

GaryKeithandRon
GaryKeithandRon

@clyde69 i love melky but i would instead try to get beaz or russell from the cubs. these guys are younger, cheaper and will be better than starlin

CocoaBeachnut
CocoaBeachnut

@Kevin Joseph Patrick Good post - I hate the thought of losing Syndergaard ... but if we get great value in return at a position at which we need big improvement, I'd take a deep breath & go for it.

eric88
eric88

@wingo43 Wright shoulder issues  have no impact how he is playing, because there are no issues. He has not played well and has been in decline since the new testing policy took place. Maybe is is just a coincidence. 

mike23
mike23

When you get one run of run support your not winning games anyway, niese is a quality 3 or 4 starter probably more the 4 on a quality staff.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

You're out of your bird to say Gee was one of the best pitchers in baseball. The guy pitched way over his ability for a long time & the real Gee has finally come back. Replace him for Matz? Hell yes! Matz has the stuff to be a 1 or 2, plus he's a lefty. Gee is an average pitcher who does well for 5 innings with average stuff. He has the heart of a lion, but that doesn't make him better than Matz. I would take Matz, his 94 MPH fastball, devastating hook, and disappearing change up any day over Gee & his average stuff. If you wouldn't than you're just a fan who is okay with mediocrity so long as the players you like are playing on the team. I want wins and I don't care who brings them, I want wins.

ctjoe
ctjoe

@darkknight Niese is simply not good. He cant get the big out EVER.  One isnt stupid because they disagree with you, we watch the games too. He is a run of the mill MLB pitcher.  

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@darkknight  How soon Mets fans forget the 20 plus straight starts by Niese allowing 3 runs or less.

BerryBeltran
BerryBeltran

@darkknight It is amazing how the fans turn on these players so fast...that is why I always question if they are either die-hards...casual or bandwagoners....I have one player on this team that I do not like no matter what...tejada...the rest of these guys I root for no matter what. I will be critical when due..but never bash the way some of these guys do...

darkknight
darkknight

You think teams don't want Niese or gee???? You are nuts... They would be the best pitcher on at least ten teams in the league!!!

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Potential, just like prospects. Though, Niese and Gee are proven already...

wingo43
wingo43

@Frank Accardi Definitely his shoulder.  As I said above, his fastball is down to 87-88 mph.  That's down from 92-93.

darkknight
darkknight

I will root for any player ever while they are in a mets uniform no matter what, exception of Aroid if that ever somehow happened. F that guy

ctjoe
ctjoe

@darkknight Gee would have a lot of suitors. But if you seriously believe that Jon Niese would be the best pitcher on 10 teams you are the one who is nuts. Maybe you should list them

nym68
nym68

@Nicholas Vargas Potential? Did you just say potential?  You just finished saying that you'd give them one more start and if they didn't perform your trade them! Wow!!

Potentially that's the worst use of the word potential I have ever witnessed

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

He was never 92-93. Maybe as a rookie. He's been 89-91 the past few years. Still, he's even down from that. In order for a cutter to be successful, you need velocity. If he's only throwing 86 on a cutter, it's nothing more than a simple left-to-right pitch with no dip. Maybe it's dead-arm, but then again he's had a lot of time off this year. Maybe it's just another case of John Maine where he inexplicably loses his velocity only for it to never return. Maine went from 92-93 down to 87-88 & never got it back. There wasn't a catostrophic injury or anything, just a loss in velocity due to innings & wear & tear. Niese hasn't exactly been a durable workhorse; maybe his 90-plus days are behind him.

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

They have the capability to win at major league level with the stuff they have. Prospects and rookies come in with potential. And I say that because I do believe one, if not both will get it back together. It just comes down to the Mets needing to trade starting pitching for an everyday positional player