Game Recap: Cardinals 3 – Mets 0

The Mets (10-10) offense went silent Tuesday night as they were shutout for the second time this season during a 3-0 loss to the St. Louis Cardinals (12-9) at Citi Field. >> Read the full AP recap and box score at SNY.tv.



Need to Know: Dillon Gee gave up two earned runs on six hits, two walks and four strikeouts over six innings for his first loss of the season.

Curtis Granderson is now hitless in a career-high 22 consecutive at-bats after he went 0-for-3 with one strikeout and one walk on Tuesday.

Matt Holliday robbed Chris Young of a two-run homer during the fifth as Holliday snagged the ball just before it could go over the fence in left field.

Adam Wainwright limited New York to four hits over seven scoreless innings.

Jose Valverde gave up one run in the ninth to make it a 3-0 game.


What’s Next: The Mets will once again take on the Cardinals Wednesday night when they send Jon Niese (0-2, 2.84) to the mound against Michael Wacha (2-1, 1.73) at 7:10 pm ET.




173 comments
stage52
stage52

The booth guys all need glasses.  No way was that a Home Run by Young  taken away by Holiday.  It was going to hit the wall but his momentum brought his glove over the fence.

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Hate to beat a dead horse (which is always a popular pastime on this site) but how is it that NO ONE mentioned yet another poor performance by Valverde? That extra run was huge. Look, we were probably gonna lose the game anyway but the whole dynamics of the inning are different if the team is down by two instead of three. The bullpen has actually been fairly decent. Just release the guy already. Bring up Black. Do something.

mets63
mets63

A big problem is Wright strikes out too much for singles hitter he became.flinchs on curveball that are strikes.takes fas balls down the middle then swings at ball low an away striking out.Everybody knows this.Five years great the rest nothing.You have to have power at that position.Granderson and murder to watch.

Paul Small
Paul Small

just look at the mets who batted yesterday. out of 12 players, 3 are hitting over 250!


3...unacceptable!!!!..I promised I will stay home and not give them a dime until they spend money as a big city club should do...The ownership remains a disgrace.

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

The mets will never be successful until they develop their own hitting talent. It's the Curse of Shea Stadium.

Olerud42
Olerud42

Things that do not concern me yet:

1. Travis

2. Granderson

3. Colon


Things I am very concerned about:

1. The future of 1B

2. The future of SS

3. The future of LF

4. The future of the bullpen

chasesimms
chasesimms

At first I wondered if Granderson would be as bad as Bay.  Now I'm beginning to wonder if Granderson will have as successful a Mets career as Jason Bay.  

Olerud42
Olerud42

David Wright has 7 excellent seasons under his belt the way I see it. 3 more and he's a virtual lock for the Hall IMO, deservedly so. 

whyus
whyus

If the fish are out of it would the mets/marlins make this deal at the deadline? 


Ahmed Rosario, Thor/Wheeler (pick 1), Wilmer Flores, Nimmo (who is raking now), and Plaweki for Stanton?


A) If the fish are out of it, I highly doubt Stanton would be open to signing an extension due to ownership's fire sales of recent years (After '97, '03, '07, '11). B) I don't think the fish can pay Stanton the money he wants anyway. C) With the Wilpon's loan being restructured, maybe we can give Stanton the kind of financial security he deserves. D) All young controllable players, fish have long term hole at 2B where Flores can play (Colin Moran is next up in the Marlin's pipeline at 3B), Rosario has the raw tools to be a star and Hechavaria (probably spelled wrong) doesn't, that simple. Even though the Marlin's system is flooded with great pitching, Thor is Thor and Wheeler is Wheeler and that's all that has to be said. Long term hole at catcher for the fish. E) We desperately need someone with a track record of being able to hit the ball out of ANY ballpark, Stanton's done it, even without ANY lineup protection. I think we'll sign a solid offensive shortstop in the offseason. My one HUGE problem with this hypothetical trade is that the Marlins are in our division, but honestly, what other realistic options do we have? Power is such a rarity in today's game and we of all teams need it so badly. And lastly, F) We would still have several other quality peices to make even another big deal: Neise or Gee (probably would be the center piece), Colon, EY Jr., deGrom (although I like him a lot), Mazzoni (although he's out for the year), Black or Familia or the newly acquired Thorton, Kirk, Puello, WHILE still keeping some of our most highly touted prospects such as Matz and Ynoa, Cechinni (who I'm not too high on actually), Fulmer and most importantly of all, in my opinion, Dom Smith if that second deal were to be made. To me this deal does not break the farm. Is this too little for Stanton? If so, maybe include a Familia or Black type in the deal?

2015 lineup:

CF: Lagares (not ideal) R

2B: Murphy L

3B: Wright R

RF: Stanton R

LF: Granderson L

SS: Hardy R/ Cabrera S/ Lowrie S (he'd leadoff if signed and switch with Juan to break up lefties)

1B: Duda

C: d'arnaud

P: Harvey


Rotation in no order:

P: Harvey R

P: Thor/Wheeler R

P: Mejia R

P: Montero R

P: Neise/ Gee/ deGrom (who's pitching lights out in triple A by the way)/ Colon (he'll probably be dealt by then)


Pen:

CP: Parnell R

SU: Torres R

SU: Familia or Black (whoever is dealt)/ maybe even Farnsworth if both were dealt and we resigned him?

MR: Germen R

LR: deGrom/ Mazzoni (although he'd come up mid year)

Loogy: Anyone but Rice

Second Loogy: To be named later


Bench:

C: Recker R

SS/2B: Tejada R

1B/3B: Satin R

OF: Kirk/ den Dekker L

Adrian Cervantes
Adrian Cervantes

We could have given all that money we put towards Granderson and Young (2 moves I was never a fan of) towards Abreu and Cruz who I wanted all along. While Alderson has made some decent trades on paper that any GM would be crazy not to take, his free agency decisions since he's been in office except Marlon Byrd have been putrid. 


On second thought if we had Abreu and Cruz with our horrible offensive philosophy who knows if they would have the same impact they are having with their teams currently, since we ignore our hitters strengths and simply play into Dave Hudgens and Alderson's hunting strikes philosophy that will never win us a division. 

ponzies86
ponzies86

Its time to move on from this garbage we have at SS and 1st base also please trade Murphy much rather see young talent at 2nd like Flores with good ceiling, Murph peaked and isnt going to improve from here on out

Robert C. Smith
Robert C. Smith

What a lineup. Mets' last extra base hit reportedly was in 1978, when Kranepool drove in Boisclair with a pinch hit double in the eighth inning of game 154.


This lineup is beyond putrid. 

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

Collin McHugh tonight in Seattle: 6 2/3 innings, 3 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 12 K. He had that one great start with Mets (his big league debut). Pretty much has gotten rocked in every outing since then (8.94 ERA or something) and then dominates in his first start of the season this year. Baseball is a funny game.

William Truitt
William Truitt

I understand everyone's criticism of Sandy Alderson's draft selection throughout his tenure, however, take a look at the trades he has made:


R.A. Dickey, Josh Thole to the Blue Jays for Travis d'Arnaud, Noah Syndergaard, John Buck, Wuilmer Becerra


John Buck, Marlon Byrd to the Pirates for Vic Black and Dilson Hererra


Both of these are phenomenal trades.

ponzies86
ponzies86

What position that Dykstra kid down in Vegas plays? if its 2nd base please bring him up Im tired of Murphy streaky a$s. Also Duda gotta go 

Ricky
Ricky

One positive takeaway from the last few games (besides the pitching of course) Chris Young looks like he could actually be a steal from this off-season...


Now Granderson on the other hand... Pujols just hit his 500th home run - I think Granderson might notch his 500th strikeout from this season alone pretty soon

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

Speaking of Karma, how about the Balderson supporting Omar Minaya haters who criticized Omar to death for signing the likes of Jason Bay? 


Who would have thought Granderson would look WORSE than Bay? 


Hey, those dumb Met fans wanted Omar gone. Careful what you wish for............

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

It's such joy watching them!  It's a field of dreams. Make that nightmares. The one good thing is that the seats seem to be increasingly empty. Maybe the Wilpons will get the message that people aren't stupid forever.

beerfinger
beerfinger

I can't believe we have 4 years of Curtis Granderson to look forward to. As bad as Jason Bay and Ike Davis were, even they never hit .121.

Of course Granderson breaks his own 0fer record the second he puts on a Mets uniform. Of course he does! What else would we expect?

William Truitt
William Truitt

In other news, Collin McHugh is pitching a 3-hit shutout with 8ks for the Astros.

eavdr10
eavdr10

Wow how are the mets not dead last in avg. in the NL?

buddyryan
buddyryan

Sandy could have drafted Wacha and Fernandez,,,,instead we have Nimmo and Cecchini

Ed Renner
Ed Renner

@Haig Mathosian The guy to develop hitting talent is not Dave H. I watched David Wright just plain watch a close 2 strike pitch and strike out. You want to look at pitches (Dave H's philosophy) early in the count, that's one thing. But with two strikes on you, you have to protect the plate and swing at close pitches. This is the worst hitting coach I have ever seen. There is no aggressiveness...only key strikeouts. I love David Wright...but my opinion is that if he insists on not stepping into the pitch, he is so totally exposed to the outside low pitch. His ass comes out, he pulls the bat through and he goes down. Bad hitting coach. Bad approach by David. If the other team knows these things, why don't the Mets know this?

Terry Jacoby
Terry Jacoby

@Cesar Cussianovich  Nothing personal, but it's not fun reading a post THAT"S IN ALL CAPS. Other than that, I couldn't DISAGREE with you more. Stop being so sensitive. It's hard not to like an organization like the Cardinals especially compared to the recent train wreck known as the Wilpon-xpress.   

Olerud42
Olerud42

@whyus  This goes against Alderson's whole philosophy of stocking the farm and developing talent from within while signing supplementary players on the FA market.


No way Sandy does this kind of deal. 

Zach Ripple
Zach Ripple

@whyus  Talk about an overpay... You gust gave them half of the team's top prospects, and Thor is one of the top 3 righty pitching prospects in baseball. I'm sure the Marlins would do this deal. I wouldn't if I'm the Mets.

whyus
whyus

Maybe we can even pay a guy like Cuddyer to play 1B to short term, 2 year deal. I know the guy plays in Colorado, but the guy also had an .850+ OPS on the road last year at age 34 in 70 games. He's also right handed which would really balance this lineup and we can non tender Duda/ and or Satin if they can pay him (which I don't think they will be able to if Stanton is traded for and extended and LOOGY bullpen problems are addressed and a quality SS is signed, but we can dream right?) and that would open up an extra roster spot.


He's also one of David Wright's best friends so you know David would be able to do his part in recruiting him.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@Adrian Cervantes  Not a fan of Cruz, but we should've signed Abreu AND Granderson/Young. This is New York City and we are supposedly under no payroll restrictions unless ownership is lying to us. 

Olerud42
Olerud42

@ponzies86  Trading Murphy makes no sense to me. He's valuable at the position and trading him creates another hole in the lineup that was have no idea Flores would be able to fill. Why would you do that, unless you're just in total development mode and rather than win now mode.Which maybe is the rational thing to do, but doesn't seem to be the Mets strategy.

1harris1
1harris1

12 Ks for Colin McHugh? WTF?

buddyryan
buddyryan

Jury is still out....no tangible results at the major league level yet for those trades.

Overall, Sandy's four year body of work has been dismal.

William Truitt
William Truitt

@ponzies86  It's as simple as typing his name in on google and it will show you where he plays... He's another left handed, power first baseman.

Bob Giacalone
Bob Giacalone

@beerfinger It looked like a bad signing from the start. His bat speed may be gone...hey wait, didn't that happen before?  BAYWATCH!

nymess
nymess

@eavdr10  last I checked they are...only the Astros are worse in all of baseball. 

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@buddyryan At least there is hope for Nimmo. Hitting like .390 right now at St. Lucie. Cecchini doesn't look that good though, that's for sure.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@buddyryan  Balderson is a disaster. His draft history with DepodesTOOL in charge is a clown act. Look at what they did in SD after Towers quit. And look at what DepodesTOOL drafted as Dodger GM in charge of draft selections. They continue their Benny Hill act here in NY. The Mets SHOULD have Wacha and Fernandez on the roster. DepodesTOOL is a joke. 

whyus
whyus

@Olerud42 @whyus  I agree. I actually agree with @mi that it's too little. The fact of the matter is this, we have no power in our lineup. My though process is Flores is blocked by Murphy and Wright and has no where to play. He's not getting any younger which will ultimately diminish his value and has no foreseeable future with this team so why not deal him. Like I mentioned, we have TOO MUCH pitching. We only have 5 slots for pitchers to start and next year (I completely forgot about Hefner actually) we will have at least 10 either good to excellent STARTING pitchers with even MORE quality arms such as Ynoa, Fulmer, and Matz who I am very high on coming up through the system and fast too. We only can use 5 at a time. We simply have too much pitching at this point in my opinion, so why not use the surplus to address a serious, crippling flaw with our ballclub? @Zach Ripple, Wheeler was just as highly regarded as Thor currently is. Not to say Wheeler is going to turn out poorly or has pitched poorly thus far, but so far he just has not met the expectation I had of him being an ace type pitcher. Granted, it's early in his career, but Mi is completely correct. Just look at what Albert Pujols did last night and where he was drafted. It's a complete crapshoot. Some prospects are more predictable to project than others, but at the end of the day, its a crapshoot. Parting with a prospect like Thor would suck, I agree, but these are the moves that need to be made to pull something off like this.


I'm actually a lot higher on Nimmo than other people are, but it really doesn't matter what I think in this hypothetical scenario, it matters what the Marlins do lol. But just to give you an idea here are pitchers under contract that are/will be ready to join the major league club.

Harvey

Hefner

Neise

Gee

Wheeler

Thor

Mejia

Montero

deGrom

Colon

Mazzoni (Although I don't think he'll be ready at the start because of TJ surgery and I like him in the pen anyway)

Torres (Like him much more in the Bullpen because of the cutter)


Like I said we only have five slots for these guys and all of them aren't getting any younger. Those are 12 starters off the top of my head AND most of them are under cost efficient contracts for years to come. We simply have too many. Why not trade to address a serious need. We'll still have plenty left over to even make another deal if we have to.


I feel that as long as we keep Matz, one of Montero or Thor (it would have to be Thor hands down to pull off something like this, maybe Montero as part of a package for a Cespedes type but getting Stanton constitutes giving up Thor in my opinion), Dom Smith, and some of our young relief arms we should be fine considering SS will be locked up for several years due to impending free agency so there's less of a need for Rosario, we have too much young, talented, pitching, the outfield would be locked up through David Wright's prime (which essentially is our window to win now and it's only getting older). The time is over for in house evaluation and developing prospects. It's time to turn those prospects into Major League superstars.  


Final thoughts, the Cubs really want to make a push to be competitive in 2015, they really need pitching in the worst way (both starting and relief) and their farm system is filled with top quality bats. Maybe a three way deal with the fish gets this done? What do you guys think?


mi
mi

@Zach Ripple @whyus  stanton is 24 with the most power in the league, you need to get over the prospects sandy has you brain washed

mi
mi

@Zach Ripple @whyus  lol are u serious right now? you do understand prospects dont always pan out right now? nimmo is kirk jr, flores never hits when he gets the call...i would hate to part with thor but to get stanton i would even give more

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@1harris1  McHugh has done more in the majors than any pitcher DepodesTOOL has ever drafted...lol

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@William Truitt @JimmyBX182  


That's not the point. The point is Balderson came in with a formula to be competitive with a low payroll. Well, he's failed miserably so far.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@Andrew Sodergren @JimmyBX182  The Law of Averages is on DepodesTOOL's side one would think, right? Someone has to make the big league roster from one of his drafts. 


Nimmo and Cecchini was enormous head scratcher selections. Baffling actually.....

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@JimmyBX182 @Andrew SodergrenSeems like they've picked up some nice arms throughout the system, but the jury is out if they'll ever be anything. Nimmo looks really good, played well in the limited ABs I saw him in spring training and he's dominating the competition at High-A right now. Cecchini is still a head scratcher, because even then, I wanted Wacha, or at least someone else with a much higher ceiling (Nimmo at the very least was a high-ceiling player). The Dom Smith kid looks good, although he's struggling a bit at Savannah (not too worried, he got off to a slow start last year after he was drafted, too). All the minor league affiliates are now winning, which is a plus (although not the telltale signs of future success). But the proof will be in the major league players they produce, and it's still a bit early to grade them yet (although the clock is ticking, especially when you see guys like Fernandez and Wacha already thriving in the bigs).

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@JimmyBX182 @Andrew SodergrenAt least Ricciardi is here, he had some level of draft success, because the Mets drafts so far seem to be better than those Padres and Dodgers drafts. But we will have to wait a bit yet to see for sure. But you're right, DePodesta didn't do well left to his own devices.

JimmyBX182
JimmyBX182

@Andrew Sodergren  


When we hired DepodesTOOL I went bananas. This guy has YET to draft a starting big league player. He ran 2 drafts with the Dodgers and I believe none of his nearly 100 draft selections made the big leagues. 


As a member of the Padres draft team, I think some middle relief pitchers made the big league roster. This man is a GOPHER Ivy League kid who was given a job in baseball because of his academic credentials and being Billy Beane's friend. 


I won't even begin to talk about DepodesTOOL's absolute failure in the international free agent market. He's been a car wreck of epic proportion.

Andrew Sodergren
Andrew Sodergren

@JimmyBX182 @Andrew SodergrenThat's for sure, and believe me, I'd much rather have Fernandez (obviously). Just saying there's hope Nimmo may yet be something. I saw him last week when St. Lucie played Fort Myers, and he looked really good. Bulked up a bit this year. Nice compact, short stroke. Good athlete in the outfield. Works the count well and can run and the power is expected to come. He was just amazingly raw when they drafted him. As for Cecchini, he doesn't look like much of a player at all really.