Wilmer Flores turns two

Flores called up from Triple-A, Nieuwenhuis optioned

Wilmer Flores will be called up from Triple-A, the Mets announced.

He will join the team in Milwaukee.

Flores is hitting .341 with a .376 OBP in 93 plate appearances since July 1. He has eight home runs and 28 RBI over 21 games, and recently had a 23-game hitting streak snapped.

To make room for Flores on the roster, the Mets optioned Kirk Nieuwenhuis to Triple-A Las Vegas. He was hitting .179 with a .294 OBP over 34 plate appearances since July 1.


Ruben Tejada was hit in the helmet by a fastball during Wednesday’s game, but was later cleared by the medical staff and traveled with the team to Milwaukee. Eric Campbell took over at shortstop for Tejada.




629 comments
A Pocono View_
A Pocono View_

Not sure why kirk was sent down,he has def upside, vs c.young. That being said, with ey having good outing night b4,why not put him in, instead chris young..why?Not that it would've made much difference ,bec's no one else hit either,except duda...but why C. young?

Jerry Colfer
Jerry Colfer

Yes, they sent Nieuwenhuis down. When he was i,n he produced , played strong defense and made productive outs moving runners along for the most part. He was used mostly in pinch hitting roles and had not hit well in July...but it was still higher than CY over that period.

Defensively, Nieuwenhuis assisted Tejada in a relay to cut down a runner at home vs, the Marlins and threw out a runner at second. Two things CY can't do.

Bringing up guys to sit and watch worthless SA signings is disgusting. Kirk had shortened his stroke and deserved a decent shot. TC is a horrible manager and Alderson is an ass.

Joseph Garofola
Joseph Garofola

I don't know why they kept Abreu and

Sent Kirk Nieuwenhuis back down to Vegas.

nncyel
nncyel

Here's the bottom line. Flores was given a chance early in the season and didn't perform. If he couldn't hit better than Tejada, who everyone apparently thinks is the worst hitter in the history of MLB then how can you justify playing him? 

Now he's being given another chance. Let's see him seize the opportunity. I hope he does great. I'm not a Tejada "fan". If Flores can come to the majors and hit over .300 with some power and play better defense than I've seen him exhibit at SS great. If he helps the Mets win I'm all for it. And I'm all for making Tejada the back up infielder in that scenario. But Flores has to actually do these things. Let's watch.

Arthur Marblestone
Arthur Marblestone

If Sandy really cared about winning, CY would have been released months ago.


kph16
kph16

Yet through all of this Chris Young survives another cut. This time he didn't give the owners the excuse that he just had hit 2 HR's... Joke. Kirk has shown more in the past than him. Remember when Kirk was doing great? It was when he got consistent playing time, and not having to worry about competing with another bust of a player (Jason Bay) It's really annoying.

Haig Mathosian
Haig Mathosian

I'm fully confident that Flores will go 2 for 25. I'm not a tejada fan, but at the same time, I don't see why everyone is so enamored by Flores, like he's Jeter or something.

Mexpert
Mexpert

I hope Wilmer doesnt feel crazy pressure but Terry makes his players choke .

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

Im pretty sure Flores will be here for a while but sadly just to rot on the bench again

Doubleday
Doubleday

@nncyel He didn't have much of a "chance" playing every 6 or 7 days.

rcmets
rcmets

@nncyel 

I can agree with your sentiment, but I don't want his "chance" to be 2 games starting or sporadically starting once a week. I would rather Wilmer was in the minors getting steady time to develop rather than rotting on the bench. If he is truly given a shot and doesn't perform, Ruben has been playing well enough to keep the job for the rest of the year. My fear is Wilmer gets traded somewhere and turns into Miguel Cabrera while we stuck with Tejada just to keep the very unlikely shot of making the playoffs this year. 

For_Sale
For_Sale

@kph16 he has 9 lives.    It is the money.  It is just too much to swallow. 

mets74
mets74

@kefhrny17 He just needs time to get into a groove. He'll be fine. 

njshawn
njshawn

Hmm let's see. He has been one of the Mets top prospects since he was 17. He has hit very well at every level in the minors. Gee I wonder why people would be interested in him having a fair shot. Especially when we have a SS that hits sub. 230 every year.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@Haig Mathosian I'm not drinking the Flores kool aid but we already know Tejada isn't the answer anyway so might as well give Flores a try

Rimo Chaloney
Rimo Chaloney

@Haig Mathosian  I don't know that Flores will be a good player on the major league level but he has after all, been hitting in Vegas.  It's not like he's hitting .230 in AAA.

nncyel
nncyel

@William Bonilla If he hits he'll play; if he doesn't hit he'll rot on the bench. Just like last time. Why do so many of you have problems with this concept?

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

@kingman76 @Haig Mathosian  gotta agree....if he gets a fair chance and fails then I have no problem moving on....but he has hit in every level and could fill a big hole....gotta give him a shot

hopeless
hopeless

Amen to that fair chance. You have said it all.

For_Sale
For_Sale

@kingman76 @Haig Mathosian Oh really?  Ask african americans during the civil rights movement, or the LGBT community.  Get your head out of your ass with the "we're Americans" BS. 

Mexpert
Mexpert

@nncyel  because when he hit he was benched till he cooled off .

nncyel
nncyel

@kingman76 what was his batting average and obp from earlier in the season? That's right worse than Tejada. Check stats before you type something stupid.

Eamon Carty
Eamon Carty

@for_sale just another angry met fan it's okay

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@kingman76  Easy to forget something that never happened.....221 in April, .233 in May....Wilmer hit .244 in May and .229 in June....in case you're wondering

nncyel
nncyel

@kingman76 @nncyel I think you're thinking of Granderson. On June 1, Tejada was hitting 0.226 - that's about 6 weeks into the season. So you would be wrong. Not hard to actually look things up.

nncyel
nncyel

@William Bonilla @nncyel @kingman76 About the same. Small samples can indeed be deceiving but how many ABs were they supposed to give Flores? 300? When he's not hitting? And not looking good doing it. Especially since he's not a great defensive SS.

rcmets
rcmets

@C.K. Dexter Haven @kingman76 

Tejada's .292 slugging percentage is terrible, but you might not appreciate just how terrible it is. Tejada is second to last out of all major leaguers in slugging percentage—161st out of 162, ahead of only Everth Cabrera (and just barely). If you were to lower the qualification standards to include any player with 200 plate appearances, Tejada is only ahead of Jedd Gyorko (demoted) and Raul Ibanez (cut).

In fact, that .292 slugging percentage, if it were to stand, would be the lowest position-player slugging percentage since 2010, when Cesar Izturis was somehow allowed to hit .230/.277/.268 for the Orioles. There have only been 17 player-seasons since 1990 in which a player who qualified for the batting title posted a slugging percentage of .297 or less (including luminaries such as Alfredo Griffin, Kevin Stocker, and Ramon Santiago).

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/7/22/5927637/new-york-mets-ruben-tejada-wilmer-flores-shortstop

 

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

@nncyel @William Bonilla @kingman76  I would agree about why should they give Flores chances if he is not hitting in his small amount of chances he's already getting but only if the other person were hitting really well....I mean if Tejeda were batting .270 I would understand...but Tejeda is batting .235 in 260 at bats so far while Flores is batting .225 in 80 sporadic at bats....not much of a difference....and Flores hasn't had abysmal defense so far. 

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@rcmets  A lot of words to tell us he doesn't hit HRs?  Thanks for the news.  You got last week's lottery numbers too?


""I want to be in the singles group," Griffey laughed. "I don't want to be in the big group with him. I want to be with the middle infielders, the guys who slap it around. I don't want to be with that guy." - Future HOFer Ken Griffey, Jr.....

illustrating in a very throwaway line how middle infielders are SUPPOSED to hit....the quote is from yesterday.

nncyel
nncyel

@kingman76 @nncyel Ok, let's take this a little more slowly. Season starts 31 March. The month of April is 1 month. The month of May is 2 months. His batting average on 1 June would tell us if you are correct or not. His average on June 1 is above .200. Would you be happier if we looked at 31 May? Ok. He went 3 for 4 that day and had a .227 average. Still not below .200. Someone is indeed embarrasing themselves.

nncyel
nncyel

@William Bonilla @nncyel @kingman76 Most of the posters here overvalue offense and undervalue defense. Flores is not a great defensive SS; he looks like he could be a very good hitter. I'm not killing him. I'm killing the knuckleheads who think that TC and the Mets should've continued playing him when he was not producing and playing below average SS. You need good defense at that position. End of story. I know most of you think you know more than TC. But you don't. 

rcmets
rcmets

@C.K. Dexter Haven @rcmets 

Not hitting home runs is a lot different than having a historically bad slugging percentage. For compariosns sake JACOB DEGROM doesn't hit home runs and has a much highe slugging percentage (.320) than Tejada 

rcmets
rcmets

@C.K. Dexter Haven @rcmets 

And for those that continue to harp on his OBP and average..

Even worse, Tejada's one saving grace this season, statistically, has been nothing more than a mirage: His artificially high walk rate. After walking 9.3%, 5.4%, and 6.6% of the time the last three years, Tejada's walk rate is up to 14.4% this season.

However that number is inflated by the fact that he has received ten (10!) intentional walks this year batting in front of Mets pitchers. If you remove those ten intentional walks (he had a total of zero intentional walks in his previous 171 games) his batting line looks like this:

Including intentional walks: .233/.353/.292
Removing intentional walks: .233/.331/.292

That .331 on-base percentage nearly mimics his .323 career on-base percentage, and does nothing to disguise his atrocious slugging percentage. And before you say that Tejada may have, in some way, earned those walks . . . don't bother. He has the fourth-most intentional walks in baseball. He has more than twice as many as Mike Trout. He has as many intentional walks as Buster Posey and Miguel Cabrera combined. As far as I can tell, he's the only player in baseball with more intentional walks than doubles. And who knows how many "unintentional" walks are not included in that figure.

Even more troubling is that Tejada's strikeout rate has ballooned to 18.4%, his highest ever and nearly league average:

Even if you were to spot Tejada the entirety of April, he is still only batting .238/.359/.308. All told he's had 1663 plate appearances in the major leagues, and with them he has batted .255/.329/.314.He doesn't look good. The stats don't look good.

William Bonilla
William Bonilla

@nncyel @William Bonilla @kingman76  I see what you're saying I agree defense is important....Im in the give Flores a shot camp....I think overall he will help the team win more than Tejeda....but it is what it is.....either way we all just want the guy who is gonna help this team win....it could be CY playing SS for all I care lol....I just want that championship

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@kingman76 @C.K. Dexter Haven It speaks to what type of offense Griffey and like ballplayers expect from their middle infielders.  Griffey played in the middle of the steroid era and STILL knows middle infielders are supposed to be slap hitters.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@rcmets @C.K. Dexter Haven

A. how about we adjust your stats to at LEAST include 3.3 times getting on base?  You know since as you stated his OBP without those IBBs is .331

B. Why do teams keep IBBing him?  If he's no better than a pitcher swinging i mean.  Since, I'm fairly certain teams have access to this same info

C. Funny, he's had 800ABs in the MLs where all he had to do was hit in the lead off spot and play.  Something i believe all the Flores supporters are asking for him...at the same AGE as him.  He hit .287 collectively.  Last year and this, all it's been is 'anyone but Ruben'...'but since we can't find anyone else, Ruben you'll have to do.'  But don't let your performance slip.  

nncyel
nncyel

@kingman76 Look all this is nitpicking. Here's the bottom line. Flores was given a chance and didn't perform. If he couldn't hit better than Tejada, who everyone apparently thinks is the worst hitter in the history of MLB then how can you justify playing him? 

Now he's being given another chance. Let's see him seize the opportunity. I hope he does great. I'm not a Tejada "fan". If Flores can come to the majors and hit over .300 with some power and play better defense than I've seen him exhibit at SS great. If he helps the Mets win I'm all for it. And I'm all for making Tejada the back up infielder in that scenario. But he has to actually do these things. Let's watch.

rcmets
rcmets

@C.K. Dexter Haven @rcmets Why do you continue to cite .287 in 800 abs but ignore .255/.329/.314 in total career abs? The other 900 ABs don't count?

rcmets
rcmets

@C.K. Dexter Haven @rcmets 

A.  You know a .331 OBP is considered poor, right?

B. So you're argument is.. it's ok that Ruben may be one of the worst-hitting regulars in the league because he hits better than most pitcher? And yes, if I was an opposing manager I would walk Ruben to face Colon but I might think twice walking him to face Degrom or Niese..

C. Listen, i can tell you're a  smart guy and good poster. If you want to argue that Terry should play Ruben over Wilmer because he's afraid of Wilmer's defense I can actually buy that. But trying to prove Ruben is actually in some way, shape or form anything less than a terrible hitter is just plain wrong.

rcmets
rcmets

@borsh13 Sorry, I can only read paragraphs written in English