Juan Lagares

Final Score: Nationals 4, Mets 0

The Mets ended their Grapefruit League season losing, 4-0, to the Nationals on Thursday in St. Lucie.

Nationals pitcher Jordan Zimmermann allowed four hits in five scoreless innings, while striking out three and walking no one.

Mets pitcher Cory Mazzoni grabbed his right elbow, was removed from the  game in the second inning and was diagnosed with triceps soreness.

Bryce Harper was 2 for 4 with a RBI for the Nationals; Eric Young Jr. was 3 for 4 and Ike Davis had two singles for the Mets.

Juan Lagares made another outstanding catch in center field >> Watch Here

Jenrry Mejia will start for the Mets on Friday at 7:05 pm ET as they begin a two-game exhibition series with the Blue Jays in Montreal.




143 comments
Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

I'm gonna go ahead and enjoy watching Lagares roam CF whenever he gets the chance this year.  Copy and paste all the BaseballReference or FanGraphs stats you want, he's still one of the most exciting players to watch on a team that hasn't given me anything to cheer for in god knows how long.  If he ends up taking a dump this year hitting-wise, so be it.  I'll still enjoy watching him make ridiculous catches and hose people at the dish in the meantime.

Olerud42
Olerud42

Lagares was decent overall last year due to his defense, but his hitting is putrid and probably won't get better. 3 WAR is probably his ceiling, but compared to most of our team that's pretty damn good. 

Peter Ramirez
Peter Ramirez

With the way this Lagares situation is playing out you would think he was the second coming of Valdespin, and that's not a good thing. I was among those that believed Valdespin at least deserved the opportunity to start and receive regular playing time on a mediocre team, but the over hyping of his abilities during the spring and early part of  last season was beyond ridiculous. And look how that particular situation ended. 

Now, before anyone jumps down my throat I'll admit there are notable differences between the two situations. Valdespin was more of a toolsy prospect who had yet to show anything of significance in the majors aside from a little pop; in Lagares's case, there's no question that he is one of the best, if not the best, defensive outfielders in the game. But let's be honest here: it's highly unlike that he develops into anything more than a fringe offensive player in the majors, and even THAT might be unreachable for him. People can hope and pray all they want, but the metrics/statistics don't lie; Lagares is simply not going to hit in the majors with such poor plate discipline and a high K rate. 

That being said, just as in Valdespin's case, I think he deserves the opportunity to start if for no other reason than the lack of alternatives at his position. EY can steal, but that's literally about it. And if he doesn't get on base, he can't steal anything. What's more, EY would be the better suited of the two to be a backup outfielder given his experience and the ability to utilize his speed off the bench. Lagares most definitely deserves to be on the Opening Day roster, and if you're going to have both him and EY on the roster, he has to start at least 4, if not 5 days a week. Better to give the still somewhat unknown quantity in Lagares a shot than the known (mediocre) quantity in EY one. But let's not get crazy with the outrage here. It's too much.

Also, I'm not sure how or why this surprises anyone. Collins is a horrible manager when it comes to roster management and strategy. A great motivator and communicator, yes, but poor at just about everything else.

bingmets
bingmets

I really hope seratelli makes the team over Q. Seratelli is a switch hitter who can play any position you ask him to and he has some speed. Q is old, slow, and can't hit a lick.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

Eric Young playing a little bit of SS today makes me think that he may be the back up infielder, so they don't have to waste a space on Quintanilla.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

In an ESPN story you can tell that Collins isn't happy about the play time promises made to Chris Young. I don't understand why you have to promise any thing to a player coming off multiple down years, and getting $7 million?

Collins sounded like if it was up to him, Eric Young would play because of he's his only leadoff batter, and Lagares because of his defense, but can't because of commitments to other players. He declined to name names.

Alderson could have helped Collins by getting a shortstop who could leadoff, and make Eric Young the 4th outfielder.

John Ramos
John Ramos

I'm tired of this bum as manager terry Collins and his way of managing , his stupid platoons , give me a everyday consistent lineup

alphaomega
alphaomega

It's seems like the SS positions is so up for grabs that if anyone can play their decently they will take them over tejada, I also think the mets want to find a way to get EYJ speed in the lineup if he can hit even a lick they take it at any position including SS

greekgod
greekgod

Lagares will be the MVP of the Mets ......

gregf
gregf

Anyone note that EY Jr. played SS in the last two innings?

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

Note to Terry: START SOMEONE ELSE IN TORONTO. It's gonna be cold as a well-digger's butt up there.Gamble with a lesser arm. Hell, sign Shawn Marcum or Aaron Laffey for the day. Bring back Miguel Batista.

jlga
jlga

This team will win 70-74 games. They have no offense. None. Yet they expect us to get excited??? About Ike Davis? Lucas Duda? Ruben Tejada?

Curtis Granderson is a complimentary player, but this team cannot afford a middle of the lineup hitter batting 230.

Wright can hit over .300. Murphy will bat about .280. The rest are lucky if any hits .250.

They are dreadful.

likeike
likeike

Fangraphs/BR would show Lagares as the better option to EYJ.

DMMP
DMMP

Saying a guy that only last season just broke into the majors and is still very young "probably wont get better." Seems a little premature to me. It's like some people on here that saw 2 months of d'arnaud and are done with him already. Or gave up on Mejia for what he did much younger while yanked around the system. You have to let players develop. Carlos Gomez for example.... Always had potential... But only just really became a star. Players can develop at any time. I personally believe lagares could become average offensively,while providing gold glove d. Which is very valuable. I truly think his max peak can be a torii hunter type (however unlikely) given a full chance. But... We'll see.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@Peter Ramirez  Well written and well said.  Not going to jump down your throat, but I do disagree with the idea that it's highly unlikely Lagares can develop into anything more than a fringe offensive player . . . or that he'll simply never hit in the majors because of his flaws.

Look, my naive optimism ran out years ago in regards to this franchise and its players.  It's natural for any fan to hope and pray that certain guys take the next steps because, helll, isn't that the point?  But I'm a baseball lifer and I try to be fair and realistic.

In any case, I'm not going to tell you Lagares will absolutely, 100% turn himself into a viable offensive option.  I don't know that, you don't know that - nobody does.  

That said, Lagares did string together a couple of solid months at the dish last season.  They key is obviously consistency.  I remember how overmatched he looked when he first began playing last year, and it was nice to see him make adjustments as he gained more experience.  In turn, pitchers made adjustments to his adjustments and he ran cold again.

I realize the guy is 25, but he's still only endured 1 Major League season.  I'm sure the metrics insinuate lots of negative trends, but in my mind - at least he's shown us that he has the potential to make adjustments, find gaps, and make an impact.  Doing that for only 2 months out of the season does indeed make him a fringe player, but we're going to find out a lot about him this season.

I'm all for metrics and the helpful analysis they provide, but I've also seen plenty of guys, who once had numerous flaws, become viable Major League hitters after getting more exposure and experience.

In short, I'm not hopelessly optimistic.  But he showed flashes last year, which tells me he at least has the potential to be a solid offensive player.  Can he become consistent?  We shall see.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@bingmets  Agreed.  I haven't caught a ton of their spring games, but it seemed like Seratelli found a way to make an impact in the majority of the games I did see.

DMMP
DMMP

But q is such a nice guy... And Collins prefers his nice guy...

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@John Ramos  I'm not saying I love TC's managing skills - I don't - but give the guy some more everyday consistent players and you might get your everyday consistent lineup.

Robby Johnson
Robby Johnson

@dreamer3kx  Ike always plays well when the games don't matter.  Guy tears it up in Spring Training and when we're 20 games under .500 in September.

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

And last time I saw anything about their ballpark it was full of zombies.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@jlga  Agreed, except batting average isn't that important. But yes the offense stinks.

Joe De Sr.
Joe De Sr.

Did you read all this in your Tarot card,Jlga?

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@jlga It's not always about "what they have done lately" but "what they can possibly provide here and now". It's pretty hard to say they "have no offense" when the season hasnt even started yet. You dont know whats going to happen.

ponzies86
ponzies86

@jlga  I say 80 Grandy and Young are an upgrade to whatever we had years ago

Olerud42
Olerud42

@DMMP  Lagares wasn't a major prospect though. D'Arnaud was. Big difference. I agree that you have to let young prospects develop, but the chances that a minor prospect like Lagares can become much better are small compared with the chances of a major prospect. Hopefully you're right and Lagares becomes a valuable piece. I would be happy to root for him.

hlow24
hlow24

@DMMP  people are doubting the "development" of Lagares and D'arnaud because they're already both 25 years old.  They're not 21 or 22 anymore.  Players have peak mlb seasons at 27, but "development" usually happens earlier than age 25 in a players career.  Not doubting these two, but just sayin... 

DMMP
DMMP

Well said and matches my opinion.

Alex Fustinoni
Alex Fustinoni

The guy for 7 years couldnt make the Royals major league roster, THE ROYALS for all things that are holy!! Now he comes to this organization and of course he' s going to break camp and make the squad. Why? because he's from Jersey? A local kid??! C'mon guys! he has no business being on this team to start the season! It's pathetic!

jlga
jlga

How? Young is a .200 hitter and Granderson will hit .230 with 190 strikeouts. Add them to the rest of that lineup and we will see a lot of 3-1 losses.

Olerud42
Olerud42

@hlow24 @DMMP  Scouts have thought highly enough of D'Arnaud despite his age though. So hopefully he's just a late bloomer.

rodd
rodd

@jlga  while all you guys are talking hitting, pitching is where it's at. and pitching is not good at all. pitching is better than hitting. look at the 1969 mets, pitching won the mets the world series, with siever, koosman and gentry, and the great reliever TUG MCGRAW "YOU GOTTA BELIEVE" SOMETHING THAT IS NOT SAID ANYMORE GUYS.

anymos
anymos

@jlga You realize our outifled at one point last year was Ankiel, Duda, and Baxter?

Dana Smith
Dana Smith

@jlga I think they will be a lot better than you think. You also seem to forget, this season is played over 6 months. A lot can happen in 6 months. This roster on opening day will probably look a lot different Sept 30th. Do I think they can win 90 games? Well anything is possible, although very unlikely. Maybe with this current group penciling in their recent years production, you probably aren't far off. Even if you hate Sandy Alderson, its foolish to think that he would sit back and make himself look bad by not making trades, and making roster changes if they aren't doing well. Have some more optimism. How is baseball any fun when you expect to lose all the time?

jlga
jlga

Young's highest batting average ever was .257. Granderson is a .240 hitter who cannot hit lefties and strikes out a ton. And we need them to hit to have a chance at 80 wins? Where is this team going to score runs?

And last year's team had Matt Harvey pitching lights out. But not in 2014. 70 wins.

ponzies86
ponzies86

@jlga  Both Grandy and Young could give us easy over 70 RBI's each if they stay healthy 

ponzies86
ponzies86

@jlga  Young hit 200 1 year the guy is consistent 235-245 and 20 HR hitter, Grandy will be good for this team Like I said those 2 guys are an upgrade to whatever we had last season and we still happen to win 74 games