Final Score: Mets 5 Cardinals (ss) 5

The Mets scored two runs in the bottom of the ninth inning to even the score with the split-squad Cardinals, but both sides agreed to end the game in a 5-5 tie Friday at Tradition Field.


Daisuke Matsuzaka


Daisuke Matsuzaka and John Lannan each pitched two innings and both allowed two earned runs.

The Mets made a number of mental and throwing errors, as well as key fielding errors by Ruben Tejada and Daniel Murphy.

Mets LHP prospect Steven Matz let two runners reach base, then struck out three in a row to end his inning.

Anthony Recker and Andrew Brown each hit a solo home run.

Wilmer Flores had an RBI single.


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The Mets and Noah Syndergaard face the Tigers in Lakeland on Saturday at 1:05 p.m.




96 comments
scrubsdoc
scrubsdoc

For pete's sake, let's see what Flores can do at SS before any ill-advised signings or trades take place.  As was said in yesterday's broadcast,  Flores has reshaped his body and appears more limber which COULD translate into quicker. He'll never have Vizquel range but, If he can make the routine plays and HIT, he should be more than serviceable. See Peralta, Ripken, et al.. I've seen enough of Tejada. Let Flores play!

eric88
eric88

To everyone who says 76-78 Million ON FIELD PAYROLL is wrong your not listening and reading. Last weeks blog listing opening day payrolls has Mets 24th in league at 82 MILLION. However, that figure INCLUDES ALL promotion performer payrolls.  Payroll as per Sandy's press conference when asked by a reporter HE affirmed that yes the payroll includes on field promotions. Presser also on this Blog site. Four Major concerts totaling 5 MILLION dollars. The Mets spend More than any other team on promotions. They more than doubled this years spending on it. Confusing why they would considering "they should win 90 Games." They also make more than any other team in in stadium ADVERTISEMENT. One reporter said Citi is a billboard disguised as a ballpark. The Mets also make 20 million on Citi naming rights. The Yanks and Dodgers make ZERO. The Mets have the 2nd highest average ticket prices in MLB only behind the World Champ RED SOX. They have the 2nd highest revenue local TV contract in the sport behind only the Rsd Sox. If they move IKE they will be 26th in BB payrolls on opening day.

hashburry
hashburry

I live that TC is such a great talent evaluator he will give Flores a start at SS and take a look.  I guess 2 or 3 plays is all it takes.  The one sure thing is if it is Murphy and Tejada, the Mets surely have the worst SS/2B combo in the NL.  But hey, according to TC, the Mets pride themselves on defense.  I would say that means they have little to no pride.

ponzies86
ponzies86

Give the final pitching spot to Noah and stop the BS already, put Dice K and Lannan in the Bullpen 

abseabra
abseabra

this is the deal eyo.  Murphy is dumb but hits well and Tejada doesn't deserve to be in a Mets uniform.  Flores needs to be in the lineup no matter what cause he gets hits in the clutch.  Granderson is the pick up of the off season and TC will win manager of the year.  Wheeler and the Boogey man should anchor the staff while the rest of our rotation gives up 5-6 per start and can compete if on their game.  Closer is still shaky, Parnell is the white Armando.  Go gets Jose if you have to trade an arm plus whatever for him Mr. Coupon(s).  Bernie is not our problem and Reyes would put people back in the $eat$.  Would Giancarlo for Travis and Gee, plus something else work?

adam
adam

I'm sick of the Drew talk. He stinks. I'd much rather let Flores play short bc defense is vastly overrated and 2015 is the year, so let's see what he's got. Our fans have become so desperate to win we're banging on management for not signing Stephen Freakin Drew. He's not exactly Tris Speaker folks. This team is 1 year away. Let's not waste 12 mil on Drew, when there's a much better, younger, talent pool available next year. As Ron Burgundy said, "Desperation is a stinky cologne."

eric88
eric88

The on field budget is fixed at 76 million. They WILL NOT expand it at all. There a only 4 teams that spend less. Mets have the highest promotional payroll in MLB.

Chapter 7
Chapter 7

Sign Drew. Let Flores play 1b at AAA. If Ike/Duda come out hot, we're all good. If not, bring up Flores. Give the 5th rotation spot to the best pitcher available. That's your best shot at 90 wins.

mingo
mingo

Teach Lagares to play SS.

dukewillie
dukewillie

If the Mets want to approach the management imposed "90 wins" target, its imperative they acquire a Lagares-type defensive SS, (with good to great range and good to great hands,)  An up the middle defensive alignment of TD behind the plate, A much needed SS, Lagares at CF to go with our pitching, will keeps us in tight games most of the season and give our offense a better chance of scoring enough runs to win more games, IMO.

nagel100
nagel100

it's just boring to go over the same thing all the time.  we ALL know Ruben can't cut it.


HOWEVER,


why not talk  about the good?  that would be Montero, Matz , Black and Familla. try 5 innings with 2 hits and 7 strikeouts.  4 arms worth talking about yet all i hear is Ruben Tejada.


all 4 will be vying for a role this year and next.   it's time to see the fruits of our labor as pitching will become our trademark.  2015 is only a year away.

Ed Zoubi
Ed Zoubi

it looked like ruben didn't even wanted to be there he looked terrible out there both with the glove and bat.

hrvwlzthor
hrvwlzthor

This is all setting up for Flores to start at SS. Even if he's adequate at short he's such a superior hitter than Tejada. I wouldn't be surprised if Tejada's not even on the opening day roster. Flores should start and Saratelli should be the backup.

drewmcg
drewmcg

I wonder really if the mets were to simply release tejada (they wont) I wonder how many teams would be willing to sign him to a major league contract  id say less than 5, seriously.  yet he is our starter, awful, he is a no tool player 

marcbklyn
marcbklyn

@TheDarkSide There will always some fans who demand that the Mets spend $10 million on Drew so they finish in third instead of fourth this year and then not have the $10 million saved to spend on a need in '15 or '16 when the team could win.

hashburry
hashburry

@TheDarkSide  Did he reshape his hands, because every time I see a ground ball hit his was, it seems like he has flubber in his glove.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@ponzies86 Noah is going to have an innings limit in his first year just like Wheeler et. al. Why start him now?  Let him come up mid-season to provide some life to the second half of the season.

lindro88
lindro88

Look at these posts based on two innings the first week of Match.

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

@ponzies86  i want montero to start as well, colon was a total waste of money, shoulda added a bat like cruz. rotation should be 


wheeler 

niese 

gee 

syndegard 

montero

lindro88
lindro88

This is the dumbest post I've ever read on this site. A site known for stupid posts.

adam
adam

@abseabra  Giancarlo for Travis and Gee??????? Lol. And Wheeler. And Flores. And Montero. Throw in Ike. A signed copy of Nas Illmatic, and they might say maybe to that offer. 

lindro88
lindro88

Defense at SS is vastly overrated? Are you serious?

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Bro, it's not "wasting money" on Drew. The problem people have with the Mets management is that they're not spending, period. Drew happens to be lumped into that because the Mets have been trying to lowball him. Fans have every right to bash management when ticket prices are as high as they are, the team plays in the biggest market in the world, and owns their own damn TV network, yet the team is being outspent by the likes of the Royals, Indians, and Diamondbacks. You are right by saying that 2015 is the year, no question. However, 2014 was the year marked by Sandy Alderson as the year where the purse would open up, solid acquisitions would be made, and the team would start turning it around. It's not as though the team can expect to win only 72-75 games again, then turn on a switch next year & jump into contention. 2014 is extremely important for the Mets to start turning things around, for them to play meaningful games later into the season, and be in a position to really make a move towards the top of the standings in 2015. A big part of that is having a stable lineup that can gel together this year & flourish in 2015. I am not opposed to giving Flores a shot at SS, but only if Drew cant be signed or an upgrade gotten in a reasonable trade. I would prefer Drew because he only costs money & a meaningless 3rd round pick, whereas a trade will cost at least one of our top pitching prospects & an upper echelon position prospect, players that may be important moving forward. I would love for Flores to step in & play well at SS, but I see his value being greater as a trade chip for another OF power bat or 1B from a team that needs a 3B, which is Flores' best position. The Mets going forward are built behind their starting pitchers. If they all come close to reaching their projections, we have a lot to look forward to as Mets fans. However, to maximize what we get from the pitchers, it is imperative that the Mets have very good defense up the middle. Your supposition that defense is overrated is just flat wrong. It's not something that u have made up, it is a proven fact in baseball that you need good defense up the middle (C-SS-2B-CF) on a team built with pitching. There are some teams that are built behind offense & they can afford to have below average defense because their bats will make up for the lost runs (Detroit Tigers, Texas Rangers), but the Mets aren't one of them. On a team like the Tigers or the Rangers, Drew wouldn't be as valuable to them as he would be on the Mets. As it stands, we already have an average to slightly below average defender up the middle at 2B in Murph. The Mets can withstand that because d'Arnaud is very good behind the plate & whether it is C. Young, E. Young, or Legares in CF, they have Gold Glove caliber defense in CF. With that being said, the Mets cannot add another average or below average defender up the middle at SS & expect to maximize their pitching. That is why Flores is a very unlikely candidate for SS - his defense is a liability - and why Tejada must go - he had no range to begin with & being overweight has decreased his range even more. As a matter of fact, the Mets need to add a very good defender at SS, someone who can pick up the slack for Murohy's lack of range & unfamiliarity with 2B. That is why Drew is the ideal, albeit imperfect, player for the Mets to sign & move forward with. Drew has consistently displayed Gold Glove caliber defense throughout his career. Along with very good defense, Drew averages .264 BA / .764 OPS / 16 HR / 74 RBI / 82 R each year. There is such a dearth of offensive production at the SS position throughout baseball that a SS with those numbers is going to rightfully command a significantly greater salary than an OF with similar or identical numbers. You also shouldn't discount the fact that Drew is a World Champion, he knows what it takes to win. That is a lot more than can be said for a lot of players on this team besides Granderson, and I don't see too many World Champion SS's, who play Gold Glove defense, and put up very good offensive numbers available on the horizon anytime soon. I know that despite what I say, I'm probably not going to change your mind. I dislike Lucas Duda, tremendously, and short of him hitting 40 HR & knocking in 135 RBI, there is nothing anyone can say that will change my mind. I do suggest, however, that you compare Drew's offensive averages to the numbers of other prospective SS options for the Mets & I can guarantee you that you will see he isn't as bad as you think he is. I can also guarantee & promise you one more thing: If the Mets sign Drew you will not be disappointed. He will produce, play good defense, and he will give 100% on every play of every game. He's a hustler, he breaks his balls on the field, and that is the type of player I thought Mets fans loved & appreciated.

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Chapter 7 Aka Montero, who has been an absolute beast  so far. I'm okay with leaving Syndergaard down til June. Kid needs innings at AA.

eric88
eric88

@Victor Triguero   The Mets on field payroll stands at 76 Million, when you deduct promotional and insurance costs. It will not go up regardless of need. Why do you think Sandy never makes a Trade where the exchange increases their payroll even a little. Never. The payroll will NOT go up. If the Mets thought they should win 90 games why did they greatly expand the promotional budget to include 4 major concert acts, T- Shirt Fridays etc.??

supert
supert

@Victor Triguero  Drew definitely needs to be signed.  He fills more of a need than Chris Young did.  With a very limited team payroll and SPs coming up from the minors soon (Montero, Thor, Degrom, etc) don't think the Mets have a real need for Ervin Santana.

Nicholas Vargas
Nicholas Vargas

Then a trade with the Indians for Cabrera should happen.

Mickey Jennifer Wind
Mickey Jennifer Wind

@nagel100  Because Matz will not be here until 2015 the earliest and probably as a reliever barring some trades.  The Mets will have 4 extra starters next year without signing anybody else. 


Tejada is a 2014 problem.  For those of us that do not expect to tank this year, it has priority. 


As much as I love Black and the promise of Familia, it is hard to get too excited over relievers. 


I still think Lannan ends up as the 5th starter.  He can eat more innings, if healthy, which is what they want.  Plus, he is still only 29.  

eric88
eric88

@drewmcg  I Say NONE. He will get a minor league contract. Within 2 to 3 years this guy will be out of BB.

lindro88
lindro88

Colon will be this teams most consistent starter all season.

lindro88
lindro88

I have to admit I didn't read the whole thing, but I agree with the part I read. Drew is a huge upgrade defensively, and is a legitimate bat. He's not worth 14m per, but at this point I'm sure Boras is off that number. If not Drew, go get the best defensive SS available regardless of his bat. The idea of Flores and Murphy up the middle is scary. Tejada will play his way off the team, and they won't start the season with Q at SS. Something will happen in the next few weeks. That's my opinion. No way Alderson is going to let the season start with the current SS situation as it is.

adam
adam

@Kevin Joseph Patrick  I think the Harvey injury has really impacted this team and Sandy' s overall plan for the 2014 season.  I think if Harvey was healthy, he'd pull the trigger on Drew, or use some other prospects to trade for some offensive firepower, because with Harvey healthy he probably thinks we could make a run for the playoffs. 

I agree that 2014 is huge year. Wheeler has to solidify himself as a top of rotation guy because if he is we can unload some of our pitching depth for proven offense. Same goes for Syndegaard. I also want to see what we have with d'arnaud  bc I honestly don't see it. I guess my point with Drew was since I don't think we can compete this year, let's see what Flores can do. We know what Tejada is. It's tough as a fan to patient. I live 3 hours away and haven't missed the home opener in 13 years. I'm sick of watching meaningless summer baseball. I'm sick of ownership being dishonest to us fans and not having the balls to say," We screwed up and made some bad investments off the field that have greatly affected the product we can put on the field, but we are trying to fix it." The ticket prices are outrageous. But we as fans aren't forced to buy tickets. I'm not defending the Wilpons, but for a solid 10 yr stretch up until a few years ago, they were top 5 in payroll every year. In fact, a lot of the trouble were in now, besides Madoff, is because we overspent on declining talent, and Sandy is reluctant to pull the trigger now. This team is being built the right way, finally. And I can't wait to overspend on playoff tickets in 2015. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@crafalko17 @Chapter 7  

Leaving Montero down for 14 days would be smart too. 


Also don't take spring games too seriously.... For this reason:


-Tim Dierkes points out that the “Marlins gave up rights to Jose Fernandez’s age 26 season (2019) so he could throw five additional innings for them in 2013 (Apr 7 debut).

crafalko17
crafalko17

@Mickey Jennifer Wind @nagel100Not sure they're looking for an innings eater really given the likelyhood of Thor/Montero/Degrom being ready by June. Unless there are injuries I think seeing Lannon put in the bullpen is more likely.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@eric88 @drewmcgIf teams are willing to give contracts to the guys who played SS and got 100+ AB's last year rueben would get a backup gig. He's actually still better than Q.

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

I must have missed the 1000 word minimum memo...

Ryan Ross
Ryan Ross

There's also no way anyone is reading these obnoxiously long posts that people are submitting

adam
adam

@Kevin Joseph Patrick  I agree Sandy has made some questionable moves. I think we can both admit having a good bullpen is a crapshoot. Having said that, I would never wasted money on Fransisco that's inexcusable. I firmly believe bullpens, and pitchers in general, should be developed  within the organization. I know there's a few exceptions, but for  the most part relievers are inconsistent. We struck gold when we were a playoff team, with guys like Feliciano, Bradford, etc. 

I also agree that Flores to this team is as a trade chip. But teams will be more impressed if he can hit .300 in the show as opposed to Vegas, where we could probably each hit 15 hrs. I just think talent has to play, even if out of position. We've somehow gone this whole time without mentioning two players who have sabotaged this team's as well, Ike and Duda. If Sandy had any confidence in either of these guys it would make his job easier. I hate Duda. Period. Looks like Adam Dunn, hits like Willie Mays Hayes. I like Ike. But at this point he may be to mentally inept to contribute to this team. And they have very little trade value. They are literally 2 BIG question marks at a position where you need big production. Lastly, and I said it many times, Sandy blew the Nelson Cruz signing. No way around it. I think we just generally disagree on Drew, which is what makes forums like this fun. In my eyes he makes an 80 win team a 82 win team. I honestly believe Reyes will be back on these team in the near future. He fills our biggest holes, SS and leadoff. And Toronto needs pitching. I think we both agree Sandy is good  as far as trading for talent. He has to pull the trigger again at some point to add a SS.

lindro88
lindro88

There is no way anyone could have predicted Nelson Cruz would get 8m. Not a chance.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

I agree with you on a couple things you said, but I must point out that I am far from impatient with this team. 100 wins or 100 losses, I will always love & support this team. What you are viewing as impatience regarding Drew is a sincere belief that he is the answer for this team now & for the next couple years at SS. Let me preface this by saying that I am not a complete believer in Sandy Alderson & his "plan." Many people fail to remember that the biggest asset on this team, Matt Harvey, was not drafted by Sandy; he was drafted in June 2010, Omar's final draft as GM. Many of the players we see playing important roles on this team were players that were drafted by Minaya. I give Alderson credit for two moves: (1) Obtaining Wheeler from the Giants in the Beltran deal; and (2) Getting BOTH d'Arnaud & Syndergaard for Dickey. Other than those two moves, Alderson has not done anything to impress me. His first year here he was tasked with retooling the bullpen. He accomplished that by having us bogged down for two years with the horrible Frank Francisco deal & added Jon Rauch. The bullpen in 2011 was worse than it was before Alderson got here. Then there was the Angel Pagan debacle. Pagan came to the Mets after being forced out of Chicago despite them trying their best to give him a starting job. Between his time with the Cubs & the Mets, Pagan established a track record of being an underachiever, injury prone, and susceptible to mental mistakes, until 2010 that is. After having a good, not great, season in 2010 that made some think that he may just be putting his 5 tools together, Sandy banked that Pagan could be a part of the future here & held onto him despite the real possibility of receiving an A-Level prospect for him. In 2011, Pagan returned to form, missing weeks on end due to diarrhea & severely underperforming. Instead of receiving a quality return for him after 2010, Sandy once again made an incorrect assessment, this time on Pagan, and the Mets received Ramón Ramirez & Andrés Torres for him. Sandy would've had a better return with a sack of BP baseballs. We also have the Jose Reyes situation regarding the semantics of an "offer;" a blunder that has resulted in us being in the situation we are faced with in 2014, needing a SS. The fact that a once in a generation talent like Reyes was able to leave here without us receiving anything in return is absolutely inexcusable. Sandy has also shown us that he is out of touch with the free agent market by clearly overpaying for Chris Young, when had he waited, he could've had Nelson Cruz for $1.5 - $2.5 million more. I like Young, but Cruz is the far superior player. Nevertheless, I think Alderson has done a good job retooling the farm system, but when you move every player worth anything aside from Wright, you better get some prospects in return.

One specific issue I have with what you said was how Harvey impacted the outlook for 2014. I don't buy it. Alderson pointed to this year before we ever knew how great Harvey was going to be. It wasn't until Harvey busted his rear end after 2012 & dominated in 2013 that the Mets really saw what they had. As a matter of fact, until last year the front office saw Wheeler as the better pitching prospect. Harvey being injured is nothing more than an excuse for Alderson to use when the team falls short. The good teams don't have their plans derailed due to one player. The Cards lost Pujols to the Angels & found themselves back in the playoffs the following year. The Rangers lost Josh Hamilton via free agency & they didn't lose a step. Injuries & departures happen & if they derail your plans that means you are inadequately prepared. That is the situation here, Alderson did a horrible job creating depth & acquiring major league talent & he was unprepared when Harvey went down.

As for Flores, he isn't a SS, period. He was given the chance in the minors & the Mets were forced to move him because of his defense. His optimal value is that of a trade chip. You talk of trading from our pitching depth, but in order to acquire a real player you need both pitching & position prospects. I am not opposed to trading our prospects, I am actually in favor of trading prospects for proven talent, but I also know you can never have enough pitching. I would much rather trade Flores & Montero than be forced to add another pitching stud like Matz because we don't have quality positional prospects. I also stand by my position earlier in that the Mets need good defense up the middle & Flores doesn't fit that. Like I said, I don't necessarily buy into Alderson's moves, but it is what happened & as a fan I need to support it. As it stands right now, there are no guarantees that the Mets will be able to land one of the better SS's in next year's FA pool. As it stands right now, the Mets are in a position to land Stephen Drew. Drew fits their organizational approach of building the team around great starting pitching & solid defense up the middle. When compared to the average MLB SS, his offensive numbers are very good. He is worth $10-$13 million per year because as a whole, the position is a very weak offensive position. He fits what this team is looking for & is a better investment than giving up some talented prospects for an unknown (Franklin, Gregorious, Owings, etc.). The time for "trying out guys" in different positions is over. We have seen 3 straight years of AAA talent being tried out during the regular season. It's time to start winning baseball games. Adding Stephen Drew automatically makes this team better & even without Harvey, his addition would put this team in a position to at least sniff the 90 wins Alderson spoke of last week.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@lindro88  

I can't but i can't also say he's worse than say Mercer on Pitt, Crawford on SF, WIlmar on Houston, Florimon on Minny, Ayabar on LAA right now predicted starters.  Not to mention the possible poor play from the 5-7 unproven high profile rookies.

 I'm not saying he's good. But he's not as poor as an overall player as people like to make him out. He is what he is, and he shouldn't be handed the starting gig, unfortunately right now he's the best the mets have.

Over the last 3 years players who have received 700 AB's the list of players worse than Tejada is long (of 52 players he's 30th) If you scrub off his poor offense and on pure fangraphs defense ranking he's 26th. 



lindro88
lindro88

Name 3 teams with a worse starting SS. Actually name 1. He's the Ray Felton of the Mets. Teams have backups that are better. Houston has 3 ss's better. He will not wind up starting the season as a member of the Mets.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@crafalko17 @Mark Kelly@eric88@drewmcg 

No pointing out while maybe he's not absolutely a starter... he'd be a good backup on any and every team. 

I agree he's not a top 15-20 starter in the majors But he's not as bad as people like to pretend in terms of overall  MLB SS.