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Familia-to-Mejia has been sensational since mid-June

Jeurys Familia entered the eighth inning Wednesday with two runners on base and one out. He got out of the inning with help from an instant replay review and then striking out Endy Chavez.

In the ninth inning, the Mariners got the tying run to second against closer Jenrry Mejia, but Logan Morrison then struck out to the end game.


Familia has allowed just one earned run in his last 19 appearances. Meanwhile, Mejia has allowed just one earned in his last 13 innings, while locking down six saves in seven chances.

“It’s starts with the starting pitching, though, because the bullpen is even nastier with rest,” David Wright told SNY after the game. “So, when they came in, their stuff is more sharp. These guys have defined roles and they’re pretty good at it.”

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

This has been a sensational duo ever since Familia started getting such impressive downward movement with his fastball, which essentially gives him four pitches to use in such a short set. As such, I trust him coming in to situations with runners on base, which is a huge asset in a set-up guy. He doesn’t need to start an inning clean and that’s huge. I love the contrast between him and Mejia as well, be it their height, demeanor or approach. It’s a fantastic combination. Imagine life when Bobby Parnell is back in the mix next summer… Nice!




54 comments
Adam Eisenberg
Adam Eisenberg

Doing a great job burning out Familia so he'll be shot just in time for them to be good

gloveman
gloveman

Parnell had the stuff you want from a closer, especially when he learned the knuckle curve from Izzy. However Mejia I think has the mental toughness that Parnell did not. Mejia ramps it up a notch when he gets in trouble. Parnell sometimes lost innings when he didn't get the calls he wanted, or when the pressure was up. Not that Parnell had no mental toughness, but Mejia just seems like a natural. His competitive instinct is up there with the best of closers.

robby
robby

Meija's our closer.  Parnell should be in the bullpen and traded when he proves himself.  He's to shaky.  I like the combo of Familia & Meija.  The dominican explosion  lol

birtelcom
birtelcom

ERA isn't very useful for relievers.  I prefer OPS against as a measure of relief performance.  Jenrry's .651 OPS against s a relief pitcher is not particularly impressive, below average for a closer really.  Parnell was at .555 last season, which is more like it for a good closer.  A big issue for both Jenrry and Jeurys is their huge platoon splits.  Although both are right-handed pitchers, Jennry has always been much tougher on lefties than righties.  This season, righty batters have an .845 OPS against him, while lefties are at .557 against him.  Jeurys is the opposite.  Lefties this season have an .864 OPS against him this season, while he has probably been the best relief pitcher in the majors this season against righties, who have a miniscule .361 OPS against him.


Ideally, a classic ninth inning closer would have a narrower platoon split than these guys, becasue the classic 9th inning closer gets called in regardless of platoon advantage.   Parnell last season had a narrow platoon split: .606 OPS for lefty hitters, .519 for righties. It might make sense for the Mets to be lining up Jeurys and Jenrry not as setup/closer but to pick when to use each based on the lefty-righty split of the upcoming batters.            

Wes
Wes

Parnell will be a nice addition to the seventh inning.

Bryan McEntee
Bryan McEntee

So is Meija done as a starting pitcher? Him being the closer seems like a failure considering his potential. Although Mariano was a failed starter too.... but still its slightly disappointing given his ace potential not long ago

Steven Glansberg
Steven Glansberg

Parnell will be a 6th 7th inning guy when he comes back.. these guys have it, parnell just throws striaght hard cheese and hopes they cant catch up

11gilkey
11gilkey

I like Mejia but his celebrations are absurd.  

Rich Towler
Rich Towler

Imagine we had this in april. Probably be handful more wins thn we do now.

dtc942
dtc942

Mejia has been good, but "sensational" is a stretch.  Someone needs to acknowledge that Mejia's WHIP is still way too high to consider him elite - higher than any other "everyday" closer in the league in fact (except for Grilli, but he's no longer a closer).  It seems like Mejia lets a runner or two get on base every single time he pitches..


Familia, however, has been fantastic.


For_Sale
For_Sale

Parnell, vic black....give me more power arms.  Now only if there was a Jeff Nelson clone out there...

ajshin27
ajshin27

Despite the control issues, Vic Black has been very good as well.

Craig Mitchell
Craig Mitchell

To be honest....I don't remember many people tearing down Warthen.......Collins and Alderson are the targets of much deserved anger.

Bobby Parnell will be due at least $4M in his final year of arbitration.....and he is coming off of TJ surgery... he is getting non-tendered people.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Congratulations to Warthen, much maligned by the brain-dead on this blog.

ajshin27
ajshin27

Assuming Parnell returns close to his prior form, where do you slot him? Do you automatically give him back the closer job? Setup guy? 7th inning guy? Or does one of these guys get traded?

Rudibager
Rudibager

With the emergence of Familia and Mejia, do we keep Bobby Parnell?  If we do, where does he fit in the bullpen?  I think Mejia fits the closer role a LOT better than Parnell ever did.

James
James

@birtelcom Your going on way too small of a sample size for two pitchers still learning their role and position.  For example in the last month Jennry .69 ERA / .224 BAA / .554 OBPA in his 12 games and 13 innings in that span.  The kid has been in relief for two months and done quite well there.  Let's hold off anointing them the dominant closer role, but also demoting them to situational platoon pitchers.


As for Parnell, he has a lot to prove after missing a couple years to injury, no way I am starting him off as my closer next year.

lindro88
lindro88

@kefhrny17  Not even a comparison. I know as a fan, I feel like Mejia will get through the inning.  Even if he gives up a leadoff hit or walk.  With Bobby, if that leadoff man gets on, I'm already hoping to get out of the inning tied.  Bobby made nice strides last year, but he's still wasn't able to finish off enough hitters.

lindro88
lindro88

@Bryan McEntee  How many starters do we need?  Without someone closing these games, great starts are wasted.  I'll give Warthen credit.  He said Mejia was suited for the pen two years ago. 

The Feels band
The Feels band

@11gilkey %#@% THAT! It's what so many of us are feeling, so i personally LOVE it. I'm doing what he's doing on my bed, so whatever. HAVE FUN. 

mrgee
mrgee

@Rich Towler  Absolutely.  We started with a broken Parnell, and a couple of old guys.

Lee Lewin
Lee Lewin

His whip as a reliever is 1.33 compared to 1.58 as a starter, his K/Walk ratio is up from 1.9 to 2.5 which is very good. and while his whip isn't "GREAT" his slugging % against is vastly improved. He's given up only 1 HR in 30 IP as a reliever compared to 5 HR in 37 as a starter. 

lindro88
lindro88

@For_Sale  Joe Smith would have been a nice guy to still have around. I know that's ancient history, but I never understood why they gave up on that guy so fast.  Traded for a guy who they must have decided to take a pass on giving a physical .

James
James

@Craig Mitchell Thats a selective memory you have there, Warthen gets thrashed regularly.

Rudibager
Rudibager

@Craig Mitchell People have been tearing down Warthen since Ollie Perez (basically since The Jacket got the boot).

Alec Rhodes
Alec Rhodes

No chance he gets non tendered, pitchers come back even stronger after Tommy John, at minimum he will have trade value...

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

Don't agree. They will take a chance that he returns to form and either use him in a setup role or trade him for prospects if he isn't a fit in our pen. 

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@hankypanky Let's not pat Warthen on the back too much for this.  Every analyst outside of the organization had both Familia and Mejia pegged as late bullpen types.  Only the "brain trust" at Citi felt that they should have been given an opportunity to be starters.

If you look at the body of Warthen's work as the Mets' pitching coach, you can come up with just as many times that he had failures.

I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't be so personal with your opinions about other posters on this blog.  You've had a few cognitive breakdowns as well.

Mexpert
Mexpert

@hankypanky If Warthen is so smart why didnt he tell the GM we don't need Farnsworth or Valverde(one of the greatest professionals ever)!

Vee!
Vee!

@ajshin27 there's no way you take away Meija's job if he keeps this up. He's been lights out and you need consistency at the closer job. Parnell has always been an intriguing chip and I've always wanted to see him succeed as the closer but he was given chance after chance and he was never dominant. 


I think he takes the 7th innings role, and the rest of the pen become specialists and extras for when guys need a rest. If Parnell comes back as strong as he was (remember he has a rocket arm) then the 7/8/9 of Parnell/Familia/Meija is just tantalizing. If not he'll be a commodity come trading time.

Jay Cross
Jay Cross

@ajshin27 File this under "good problems to have" and imagine if this were a trade-off in 2007 or 2008, hah. 

rico
rico

@Rudibager you can use Parnell wherever you want? He can be the 7th inning guy, he can vick black can spell familia and meija (who can't pitch every day).



birtelcom
birtelcom

Small samples, yes, but note that Jenrry has shown very much the same kind of giant split, with the better numbers against  lefties, in the past, going back to his rather extensive audition in 2010.  So the numbers seem more than random.  But yes, given the small samples, the view about their roles on the staff is really a hypothesis and not a conclusion.  At least it's a hypothesis grounded in some actual numbers and not on who is more emotionally demonstrative on the mound.


Also, I wasn't necessarily suggesting that Jenrry and Jeurys be limited to situational platoon pitchers.  Rather I was suggesting that maybe instead of automatically using Jeurys in the 8th and Jenrry in the 9th, the Mets take a look at the opposing batters upcoming and choose who pitches the 8th and who the 9th based on the allocation of upcoming lefties and righties, to take a bit more advantage of the pitchers' complementary tendencies.  Really Jenrry hasn't done much beyond jumping up and down on the mound to prove that he deserves, any more than Jeurys, to pitch every save-situation ninth.        



lindro88
lindro88

@mrgee @Bryan McEntee  LOL.  Seriously, how long have we waited for one of our homegrown guys to turn into a closer?  Now we have an 8th inning guy and a closer. This is a huge step forward for this team.  This is how good teams build bullpens.  Not bringing in 35 year old retreads.

dtc942
dtc942

@Lee Lewin I don't see your point at all.   A 1.33 WHIP isn't good, it's not even in the top half of the league for everyday closers.  A 2.5 K/BB ratio isn't good either, and is also in the bottom half of the league.  Papelbon is at 3.4, K-Rod is at 5.5, Kimbrel's is 3.9, Chapman is over 6.0, and I could go on.


Listen, Mejia has been fine and maybe even good.  But my point was that "sensational" is beyond an overstatement.

James
James

@flmetsfan @hankypanky Saying something in general about the posters is very different to me than going personal.  I also disagree about the "brain trust" feeling they should be starters, but regardless it is hard to knock Warthen considering how well our young pitching is doing, that is a lot of talent coming along very quickly.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@Mexpert @hankypanky they were toss in short term options & only pitched as much as they did because Parnell went down after one appearance 

lindro88
lindro88

 @Lee Lewin That's a fair point.  Bottom line is compared to the way the late innings used to work out, this has been a revelation.  Mejia may still be giving up to many base runners, but he generally finds his way out of it.  I don't think of him as a guy with poor command.  I think if he stays with the closer role, he will start finishing these games quicker.

Mexpert
Mexpert

@stemog @Mexpert That is why they are sub 500 the GM tells them when to swing and how to pitch. Unfortunately Sandy is an Attorney by trade and looks at stats. He has no vision.