Eric Young 4 (Baron)

Eric Young Jr. is ready for 2B if needed, wants to bat leadoff

Terry Collins said last week if Eric Young Jr. shows in camp that he get on base more frequently, the Mets will have to find a spot for him in the lineup because he has the ability to change their offense (Kernan, Feb. 3).

“This level, the major league level, all I can do is just play baseball and let them do their job and fit me in there,” he said Tuesday in St. Lucie (Daily News, Feb. 11). “Left field, right field, center field, second base, it doesn’t matter to me, just as long as I am in the lineup.”

In addition to fielding fly balls in the outfield, Eric Young Jr. worked on turning double plays and fielding grounders in the offseason (Daily News, Feb. 11).

In 122 games between the Rockies and Mets last season, Young hit .254 with a .318 OBP when batting leadoff.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

I still think Chris Young will end up starting the season in right field, with Curtis Granderson in left and Juan Lagares in center. That said, Collins keeps talking about Eric Young Jr.’s speed and how he changes the dynamic of the batting order and improves the team’s offense. So, I assume he’s going to work to get Eric Young Jr. in as much as possible.

It seems like he can get at least 80 starts and close to 300 at bats by using him to spot start in the outfield and spell Daniel Murphy at second base, while also squeaking him during interleague play. Is that enough, though? There’s also a chance Lagares stumbles, Chris Young eventually moves to center and EYJr gets more time in left field. Or, I suppose Ike Davis and Lucas Duda both slump, Murphy could go to first and Eric Young can take over on the infield. In other words, stay tuned…




54 comments
Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

I still say try him at SS in Spring Training. What's the worst that can happen? He's played 2nd before and while the move is difficult, it has ben done before. This team desperately needs a SS and a lead-off hitter, and EYJ would fill both of those holes. 

mikerolli
mikerolli

Sign drew he's a proven hitter - to many question marks out side of wright grandy young - more reason to sign Drew get it dine already my god mets owner slow - thank god

Marc Seldin
Marc Seldin

i'd like to see it! He was great with the stolen bases and much better than i think people give him credit for with getting on base. The numbers don't ALWAYS tell the whole story..

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

Well Matt, I still think signing Chris Young was a tremendous mistake.  I can see this guy bouncing back from one bad year, but two?  They're expecting a lot from him.

Ryan Doyle
Ryan Doyle

I really hope he replaces Murphy

mvmet
mvmet

The Mets have signed right-hander Jose Valverde to a minor league deal that contains an invitation to Major League Spring Training,

stemog
stemog

OT: Valverde is a Met. Bullpen is pretty much done. Now get a hitter.


Marky Mark
Marky Mark

Mets just signed valverde to a minor league deal.. I like it

mets2891
mets2891

That Chris Young signing was soooo stupid.  For a team that's pinching pennies why would they throw away 7 mil on a guy who was awful his last season?  I don't want Lagares to lose any playing time for this guy and Eric Young needs to play as far as I'm concerned because he's the only guy on this team with speed.

collegept9
collegept9

It's simple: just put Grandy in right and keep him there; no need to jerk him around the outfield. Lagares in center, C Young or E Young in left. Occasionally put C Young in Center and E Young in left. Some combination of this will work, depending on who's hot and who's not. 

30yrmetfan
30yrmetfan

Please stop with the Murphy to 1st talk. Just stop.

oaklandmet
oaklandmet

Seriously???  This organization is still a disgrace and all Met fans are buying into the crap that the 'Convict' owners and the 'Thinks he is in Oakland' GM.  They said they tried to trade Davis in the offseason.  You really think a team was going to give up a top pitching prospect for Ike Davis who it sub .200?  Daniel Murphy, nice player but has no athletic ability and is better off suited in the American League to play DH.  What did they ask for him?  Ruben Tejada, fat, stupid and not a Major Leaguer.  How do you keep a guy on the roster who is filing a complaint against you for keeping him in the minors last season?  Finally, if you listened to the 'Convict' owners son on ESPNNY radio yesterday, he said that Met fans should come out to Citi Field because we have a bunch of young guys who do not have guaranteed contracts that will put on a good show for you if they want to get paid bigger dollars down the road.  Seriously???  Everyone in these comments is going to follow these owners who are liars and belong in jail?  What a joke.  Top that off with Terry 'I am a loser' Collins as the skipper and you got the making of another 74 win season.  Keep following this team and going to Citi Field to put coin in the pockets of these convict owners.  Why don't you write that Cerrone or is it becasue the Convict owners own SNY that you don't?

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

EYJ has a .288 wOBA last year.  He was 7th worst in all of baseball among regulars.  The team should be limiting his ABs, not figuring ways to get him more.

I know our dinosaur manager thinks you need have "fast" guy up first but it really is crazy he doesn't have this kind of basic comprehension.

BadContract
BadContract

If you shuffle the deck enough times, you will eventually get a winning hand, right?

11gilkey
11gilkey

We harp over these issues regarding the starting lineup incessantly, yet we forget to realize that most likely someone will get injured and these things have a way of working themselves out.  Ideally Young Jr. is a bench piece but so much can happen with injuries and usually does every year.  

Lance Christopher
Lance Christopher

It's sad that more than half of our team is in a state of flux. It seems like forever ago that we had solid starters.

Glorious Gavin
Glorious Gavin

Murphy at 1st and EY at second doesn't seem too bad. It's still basically two people playing out of their ordinary position though. This is the main reason why I dont like tejada, he is too inconsistent and slow to bat first. I'd prefer they get Drew and EY is on the bench.

The Feels band
The Feels band

I can't wait for the day when 2 people are never written about on Metsblog again : Stephen Drew and Eric Young effing Jr. Ugh. 

metstastic
metstastic

Don't think so.. A lot of teams would love a 45+ steal guy... for around $2M..

CY can play defense and has power and speed.

flmetsfan
flmetsfan

@stemog That's not happening.  Sandy has his hand in a brace from all the patting he gave himself on the back for not spending more than $88 million this year.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@stemog Valverde has almost no chance of making the team.  Nice shot in the dark but he has nothing left.

metstastic
metstastic

@mets2891 He has potential to be 20/20.. He was a buy low player. Lagaras is in no way a sure thing. Neither is EY. Rotating those 3 among 2 spots is not the worse thing.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@oaklandmet  Wow! Now that sounds like a truly tortured Met fan! I feel your pain!!!!

Unfortunately it's only going to get worse.

Tom Gallagher
Tom Gallagher

@BringBackDaveTelghe I'm not familiar with wOBA but just read up on it. It's an interesting statistic. I've been a big fan of OBA but will now be checking out wOBA more. Thanks for bringing it up here. As you EYJ, If you look at his OBA throughout his minor league career and his first partial season in the majors it's great (with the exception of 2010). It translates to wOBA as well (with, again, the exception of 2010). I still think he's worth a shot, possibly in AAA, where he can work on re-finding his eye from the minors. It's possible he's just a AAAA player, but there is still a chance a system that emphasizes patience can get him to re-find what was there (if it was).  

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Glorious Gavin Are you kidding?  It's terrible.

Murphy is extremely limited, but it plays just fine at 2b.  EYJ was one of the worst batters in all of baseball last year. Yes, he is fast...but that doesn't mean he should be entitled to ABs because of it.  Also, scouts and talent evaluators say his glove just doesn't play at 2b.

oaklandmet
oaklandmet

That is why Met fans need to boycott Citi Field and put these 'Convict' owners in the poor house.  Force them to sell the team because you are right...this is going to get worse and worse and worse.  Get ready fellow Met fans, you might be able to see them win another World Series in about 30 years or more with these jokes as owners.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Tom Gallagher That's why the stat is so good - OPS is good for a rough guide on how someone is doing, but two guys with an 800 OPS (300 OBP and 500 slugging) compared to (400 OBP and 400 slugging) are insanely different.

BadContract
BadContract

Agreed. That was my attempt at sarcasm. Now that I think about it just about all of my posts are sarcastic. Just hiding the pain.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@BringBackDaveTelghe @The FeelsWell i like Satin for what he is. A guy who mashes lefties, can play 1st and 2nd.... He's a nice Lefty Specialist/Platoon off the bench.


Im sick to death of Ike, and any comparision to Chris Davis.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@slainte2 @Tarheel11 @oaklandmet  From what I can tell, the 600M is actual Wilpon debt. 

You're right, they did lose much less last year, I think down to around 10M last I saw. And that was based on cutting payroll so drastically as opposed to an increase in revenue. 

You bring up a very good point. I'm not smart enough to find out but it sure looks like they used Met/SNY value to fund their losses to Madoff which they claimed were solely against their Sterling business. 

And from a purely baseball perspective going forward I don't see how this team is going to function without having to continually cut payroll every year. If BOA dictated that their payroll couldn't exceed 85M-90M (I'm guessing the actual number but I still think it was 85M and that's why SA keeps saying 85M), even IF they can get the 600 restructured how's that going to affect the business? 

I'm a moron and I can see that the future does not look good! 

slainte2
slainte2

@Tarheel11 @oaklandmet  

is the 600M a Wilpon debt secured by their ownership in SNY?  or is it an SNY debt?  


Still not understanding how they got into such a tremendous hole in the first place ... i think they lost 75M in 2012, but loss was much less last year (I thought) and less in years prior to 2012.  These two loans alone total 850M!  Is this all operational losses??  Seems incredible, they still sold 2.0 2.5 M tickets last couple of years at very high prices.   They drew over 4M fans in 2007 ... Where did all that profit go to? 

I don't understand where these incredible losses came from.

 

i think i remember reading that Wilpons and related entities lost 1B in principal when Madoff collapsed.  so again, i wonder ... Is it possible that Wilpons directed the entities SNY and Mets take on this 850M in debt so that the loan proceeds could be used to replenish the Wilpons' personal Madoff related losses?  If not, how is it possible the Mets lost that kind of money??  In NY, with league average attendance at high ticket prices, league average and lower payroll, and income from SNY?

I gotta say, i would have a much harsher opinion of Wilpons if they were depleting team's resources to replenish personal losses from Madoff ... that would be much closer to the McCourt deal out in LA than simple business incompetence, or new stadium related expenses.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@slainte2 @Tarheel11 @oaklandmet  Actually according to Bloomberg, the total "Met's" value is 2B, inclusive of SNY. And they are estimating that the team is worth approx. 780M and therefore SNY worth 1.2B. With the Wilpons only owning 65%, their "value" would be 780M. So if they are trying to "borrow" 600M against a total value of 780M, sure sounds funny to me! And they've been borrowing up to 75M a year against SNY to cover their "team" losses. 

Their bond debt is against the construction of Citi Field and from what I can see, yes they have bi-annual payments against that and I think that's 30M each time. And word is they used the increase in MLB TV money to pay that payment. 

They are in serious trouble going forward and I don't think Selig has taken enough heat for allowing this to go on. 

The problem is most Met fans want to bury their head in the sand and say things like "oh we'll just go sign a big FA SS in next year's class". Even if the Wilpons wanted to they aren't making the financial decisions. Those are being dictated by the lenders. And that is only going to be much worse. Everyone is complaining about how low our payroll is at 85M (me included), but it's only going to have to get lower and for how long? 

slainte2
slainte2

@Tarheel11 @oaklandmet 

600M debt next year is against SNY, isn't it?  Value of the network is something like 2B, with stream of income.  Have to assume they will find a lender.

Incredible to me how they accumulated so much debt ... that 600M and the 250M just refinanced is all above and beyond the 800M bond debt that they are servicing with semi-annual payments, right?  Where did that 850M debt come from, after years and years of 2.5 to 4.0 M attendance?  They haven't paid Madoff money back yet, and that's (only) going to be 83M ... Before Madoff got caught, Mets were net winners in "investment vs. distribution game", correct?  so losses didn't come from negative cashflow to Madoff.  They did lose their principal ... so only thing i can think of (and WTF do i know) is either Wilpons are world class poor businessmen that legitimately lost that 850M thru baseball operations in NYC (!) OR they had the team and SNY take on this tremendous debt to reimburse their PERSONAL losses to Madoff.  Just babbling here, does anybody have actual info on where this mountain of debt came from?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@oaklandmet  You are absolutely right. On the plus side I do think they will have to sell next year. I don't see how they are going to get out of the SNY debt next year, I mean with the way their credit rating has been slipping who in their right mind is going to refi that 600M next year? For the life of me I can't figure it out. And even if they were able to get that restructered, what kind of payroll constraints is that going to put on this team? Are we going to have to cut down to 75M a year? At what point does MLB step in and the Players association because the banks are imposing a salary cap on a big market team. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@Olerud42 @Mark Kelly@Glorious GavinNot particularly. It's Nice to have... but it doesn't show any correlation to a win or a loss.If my leadoff hitter is a .400 OBP with speed that's ideal.


leadoff hitters on base percentage shows a tremendous translation to an increase in runs.... Shockingly.  Which correlates to wins.

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@The Feels @BringBackDaveTelghe 

I'm fine with Ike getting a chance to WIN a one more shot. Not handing him a job. Same with Duda. If Duda can play 1st and put up his numbrs for 2 years ago, and his positive splits from 2012 and 2013... Well heck he can be a monster too. 

Unfortunatly you have to put the whole picture together... Both have been below average for he past 2 years, and good in parts of each of those seasons. 

Mark Kelly
Mark Kelly

@BringBackDaveTelghe @Mark Kelly@The FeelsOk Mashes wasn't the proper word... But he does have a track record over his  MiLB time and small samples in the majors of being able to hit Lefties well. 


Meanwhile Ike and Duda have a long long long track record of not.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

@Mark Kelly @BringBackDaveTelghe @The Feels There's the rub with Satin though...I really don't think he mashes lefties.  He has little power and his limited numbers last year were so luck-infused it was crazy.  If he had gotten more ABs, his BABIP vs lefties was one point away from the single season leader....who was Babe Ruth!