eMailQ&A: Why post the Wild Card standings?

sadavatarBrian D, reader of MetsBlog: In my honest opinion, I think posting the Wild Card standings daily is a bit pathetic and ridiculous. It’s totally irrelevant. … I’m not knocking the enthusiasm or the optimism, but folks need to take time out for a reality check here.


miniMCavatarMatthew Cerrone: You’re right, it is mostly irrelevant, especially after losing three of four to the Giants. At this point, at six games under with 50 games to play, the most important goal is to keep the team healthy and on track to be better next year, and the year after that, and so on; the next most important goal is getting to .500. Then, if that happens, the playoffs become a realistic target.

Do I think they can reach .500? Yes, but they’ll need to go 28-22 to get there. It’s going to mean a major winning streak at some point soon. Their next seven games are no picnic, traveling to DC and Philadelphia…

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To get to 88 wins, and a shot a playoff spot, they’ll need to go 35-15, which is very improbable, bordering on impossible.

So, why do I post the standings? I bounce between posting the Wild Card and NL East to keep it in people’s minds. It has nothing to do with what I think of the state of the standings, or if the Mets do or do not have a chance, it’s just a way of giving context to their record and the rest of the league. I’m sorry if it stresses you out, Brian. But, the standings are everywhere, on MLB.com, ESPN, other blogs, news, TV game coverage, the newspaper, the sidebar of this site and others, so I’ll probably keep posting them, if for no other reason than I wake up every morning curious where the team is compared to others and I assume others feel the same way.




79 comments
javy180
javy180

DW is just not good.

J Merritt
J Merritt

Y'all are a bunch of haters. Let's see the team win a couple against the Nats and then talk about the standings.

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

People on these boards blame Sandy. Nonsense. 

Sandy is doing a great job with limited budget. How many pitchers like Santana got MORE MILLIONS than total victories? $138 million contract set us back years. Bay $60 Million contract. Castillo! Ollie Perez! OMAR CONTRACTS!!!!

Sandy mistakes are one year CY $7.25 million. He thought he might catch lighting in a bottle like he did with Byrd. All GM's make mistakes. OMAR's were whoppers that set us back years. 

Wheeler for walk year Beltran. ........TDA and THOR for R.A Dicky and Thole..... Vic Black for a bag of guys in walk years. 


 Imagine Sandy having OMARS $130 million payroll Cap.


Baez starts for Cubs tonight. He is being showcased for trade or he will be moved to another position and Addison Russell will be moved up soon too. Cubs are loaded with quality middle infielders. They need pitching. I hate giving up young pitching but this Baez kid could be special.  They were just showing him on MLB Network. Exceptional bat speed. Homered Opposite field in Minnesota at futures game over that huge wall. Only a few homers have been hit oppo there this year. 


Screw Tulo and his $100 million --- Let the Yanks overpay for him! LOL

nym68
nym68

Anyone else notice that Matt replied to an email and not any of the posts on his own blog? As usual Matt, keep up the good work by showing absolutely zero interest in what happens on your own blog that earns you a ldecent living. 

PS....keep on writing those in depth posts about nothing. They're just so damn enlightening!

metjetnet
metjetnet

Nonsense.

Cerrone -- Please DO keep posting BOTH the East & WC standings.

THIS IS A COMPETITION, fer crissakes! Period. These players are competitors. To compete, you must have something to complete for! OK, 50 games left. Time to put on your Big Boy Pants. For everybody! Player, coach & fan, alike!

Or, excuse me, is this "Spring Training, Late Summer Edition"?

Every Mgr. & coaching staff in MLB right now (& every coach in an NFL camp) is pulling their hair out right now, trying to come up with creative ways to fire up their team… How do they keep their players playing hard; playing the game the right way & keeping their competitive fires stoked hot. Head games, playing time, pats on the back, kicks in the ass, emphasizing personal goals -- everything in their arsenals that they can think of… to keep their units from falling into the gruesome abyss of submitting to defeatism & "playing out the string."

The LAST THING they need right now is for the little boy weenies among the fan base to start whining about FEELING BAD because the odds don't look so good right now.

Fine, Losers… GO HOME! Stay off the baseball sites & find something else to occupy your time. You CAN'T be enjoying watching these games. Well, we don't have time to coddle you, Jeffrey, we're trying to win games here! 

We in the fan base should demand that fire of the entire 25-man roster. Each of us, player & fan, should have that one goal until the 27th out of the final game of the season. THEN we'll see where we stand.

My birthday is in late Sept. and I've been to waaay too many birthday-present games where bad Mets teams were walking through the motions, going back to the Polo Grounds. Trust me, there are few more grizzly experiences to be had. You don't want to be paying Wilpon prices for games like that.

This is not a bad Mets team. They're not a great team by any stretch. But they have a lot going for them. 

So, let them have that carrot to reach for. As Yogi said (when he was A MET!): "It ain't over 'til it's over!"

I want to see them busting it for every out & every run they can scratch out, right up until the very last out of 2014.

Then, we can talk about what we may have to look forward to in '15.

GIVE ME THE STANDINGS!

Michael Marinelli
Michael Marinelli

If they're being posted as a quick reference just so readers can see where all teams currently stand, then it's ok. I can see Brian's gripe with it though, being that 99% of the readers on this site probably root for this team and seeing them in the playoff standings is just another slap in the face on a daily basis.

hashburry
hashburry

Looking at Den Decker's night, it really is a head scratcher as to why they promoted Niuewenheiss instead.  I am guessing the thought is he'll probably ride the bench behind Young & Young so at least Den Decker will continue to get ABs, maybe so he can put up numbers and be part of a trade later on?

theglider
theglider

If we sign Rusney Castillo and the kid turns out to be a solid player then we will know why Chris Young is playing. As I've said, sometimes it's about the agents for these players and working out a good relationship with them.

We got Johann Santana over a bunch of other teams, partly because of what we offered but also because we had a great relationship with Peter Greenberg, his agent. That's how a team that had been in the NLCS the season before got a two time Cy Young winner.

robby
robby

CY is finished and Sandy can't admit his mistake.  Sandy is a real loser!!!

robby
robby

Posting the wild card standings is good because I'm a baseball fan and want to know whats happening overall in the standings.  So please Matt don't stop posting them.  People just want to complain about something because they are miserable.  If the blogger doesn't like it go somewhere else to get Mets news there are more important issues the Mets have than this guy worrying about W.C. standings  SHEEEEESSH!!! Get a life

nyny
nyny

this team gives games away continually and it starts with this so called pathetic manager who starts CY against a tough righty and bats him 5th no less and lets a talent like Flores stayed glued to the bench 5 days a week PATHETIC

Christopher Onzo
Christopher Onzo

Why would you not post the Wild Card standings? If your any kind of a Met fan, you know that improbable and impossible are kinda of our thing! We have some really exciting pitchers on this team, both starters and relievers, and as everyone knows pitching wins games. But I will say this... if Collins or Collins controlled by Alderson continues to insist that we want to create a winning culture based on accountability, than they can no longer shove Ruben Tejada and Chris Young down our throats! It is time to cut these guys loose. Play Flores at SS the rest of the season and get Den Dekker up here or play Young jr. more.

Albert E Lewis
Albert E Lewis

Even when its not a matter of money... this team doesn't try to win.[SANDY]

matmil
matmil

There is still no answer about Chris Young from Mr. Cerrone.

dearleader
dearleader

We'd still be in the Wild Card hunt if CHRIS YOUNG WAS DROPPED IN JUNE. FACT.

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

That's fine but there is also at times a comment about what the Mets need to get there etc. and that is silly.  It is a marker of where the Mets are but even on that level, in respect to the Mets, it's not what I would use. My concern continues to be .500.  As a general informative thing to give the state of the NL East etc., okay, though this is a Mets blog & I'm not sure how important that is.

11gilkey
11gilkey

Why even waste the time responding to this email.  

mingo
mingo

How dare you be informative!!!

hashburry
hashburry

I fully understand that sports is a culture of numbers.  But I think way too much weight is given to what I consider irrelevant numbers out of pure laziness.  I am not a cybermetrics guy but some things in sports are just regurgitated and really have absolutely no meaning other than to state an arbitrary goal.

Why, for example, is getting to .500 the next step?  It is arbitrary in a vacuum.  You can be a .500 team and be 10 games out, so relatively speaking, it is meaningless.  The next step is to be a team that competes a preponderance of the time, has talent to compete, and wins ball games.  Those are the next steps for the Mets, IMHO.

It is like all the arbitrary numbers that are thrown around in sports. Is averaging a double double in basketball really a big deal?  What if it is 10/10.  Is that better than 20/9?

Another irrelevant stat that needs to be thrown in the garbage is quality starts.  Maybe in the steroid era going 6 and giving up 3 earned runs was a big deal.  That is a 4.5 era.  Who thinks that is quality these days when hitting is tanking?  I would think a quality start now is more like 7 & 2.  Also, earned runs should be another stat that is looked at less and less.  Pitchers should be looked at in terms of how they get out of tough spots even if a player makes an error behind them.  A pitcher who gives up 3 or 4 more runs because they can't get out of a jam after a teammate makes an error isn't really doing his job.

Again, I just can't find a lot of validity in throwing out there statements like "first, the Mets need to get to .500" before they can be considered a contender.  What is necessary is for a team to be fielded that doesn't get buried in the first place.

Mike Herrington
Mike Herrington

The playoffs will become a realistic target when the young guys are ready to take the next step. Never was going to happen this season.

Jason 'Geeque' Gomez
Jason 'Geeque' Gomez

And we got dilson Herrera with vic black in that trade, who is raking as the youngest kid in AA

matmil
matmil

Still no answer on my question to him 2 hours ago. Why is Chris Young in the lineup everyday?

herblehman
herblehman

@hashburry It sort of makes sense, provided the Mets envision using Nieuwenhuis in the same way they used Abreu (pinch hitter, very occasional starter). Kirk has had enough chances that he's shown that he's best in that role, and will be overexposed as a starter. Den Dekker is more unproven. He really needs to start if he's called up. As long as all the Youngs are on the roster, that's probably not going to happen. 

nyny
nyny

@theglider from everything ive read and heard from baseball people and scouts teams i.e. the Yankees and Red Sox backed off of Santana once they got medical reports on him showing major wear and tear on his shoulder no one but the Mets were willing to go that lenght of time and for that ridiculous amount of money and thats why he signed with the Mets

matmil
matmil

@theglider Maybe your onto something there Glider but still even the agents have to see that the Mets are in a posistion to do something here and CY is killing them.

hashburry
hashburry

@theglider Did it have anything to do with Santana wanting to come to the Mets because they were willing to give him that ludicrous contract?

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@robby Chris Young's numbers are almost identical to last season. Sandy got exactly what he bought!

hashburry
hashburry

@robby Some people can't handle the emotional distress inflicted on them by such a posting.

matmil
matmil

@nyny And there is the question of the day. Why do they play CY everyday?

Mexpert
Mexpert

@mets2death If Tejada was a good glove with average speed and a singles hitter i would say play him. But he is a bad glove bad arm no range he doesn't hit enough singles and is slow.

mets2891
mets2891

It's not just the players who need to take the next step, it's ownership as well.

hashburry
hashburry

@matmil @theglider Also, I can't imagine an agent thinks CY is increasing his value for next year at this stage.  He already got paid this year.  Maybe if the mets cut him, he would get picked up by a desperate contender.  Mets could pay the remainder of his contract, and get some A ball level kid they like.

nyny
nyny

@Joseph Baffi @robby no hes not... he cant field and hes cannot hit in the clutch what contending team do you know has or wants a .205 avg strikeout guy?? 

nyny
nyny

@alphaq @dearleader on July 10 th Abreu played against the Braves and we did not see him in a game as a starter or pinch hitter for 8 straight days.. TC is a master of  destroying a players confidence simply as that, HE NEEDS TO GO BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE

matmil
matmil

@alphaq @dearleader He may be a great guy, no argument there but with the little production he put's out why is he in the lineup everyday?

hashburry
hashburry

@citifield @Mike Herrington I disagree.  When was the last time a team with almost all young players won anything?  The Mets are short on veterans who know how to win and can lead.  And I don't mean old guys who are long past their prime (see Abreu) that are more bench coach than player.  The Mets can't seem to find a blend that makes sense.  I really don't think you can have 3 young pitchers sitting at the top of the rotation, hitting in the middle of the order, and having yet to be through the grind of a season and playoff run.  I really believe (pipe dream) a guy like Hammels at the top of the ordewr, whether he is better than Harvey or not, and a real hitter with playoff experience in the heart of the order would make a world of difference.

ken1010
ken1010

The fire TC posts have outnumbered the cut CY posts. It's a hard call as to who should go first.

matmil
matmil

@alphaq @mets2891 If the Wilpons are in debt after possesing one of the most lucrative franchises in all of sport it is a case of mismanagement of epic proportions.

hashburry
hashburry

@matmil @alphaq @mets2891 That goes without saying.  And as a long time investor, you will never convince they weren't complicit, along with ah pst of others, in the blatantly obvious scam run by Madoff.

hashburry
hashburry

@Mike Herrington @hashburry @citifield Upton, Santana in Atlanta.  Best closer in NL who has been around.  Again, a blend.  No team with 20 players with 3 years experience wins right away.  You are making no sense.

hashburry
hashburry

@alphaq @hashburry @matmil @mets2891 Of course they won't.  The team is Jeff's legacy.  Their egos go far beyond the fiduciary duty they have to this city.  I actually believe they want to win as much as we want them to, but that doesn't make them capable financially or even competent to do so.  The Mets are Jeff's toy, just like Dolan and MSG, except Dolan's dad is a much better businessman who will never run out of money as long as people watch tv.

matmil
matmil

@hashburry @alphaq @matmil @mets2891 Reminds me of some of the contractors who I worked for in heavy construction here. In fact the worst one was a buddy of Freddies named Joe Falco. A real wanna be who was so cheap his equipment was ancient and so decrepit that it killed and maimed many of my brother union members.