EmailQ&A: Should the Mets put Daniel Murphy back at 1B?

Mail IconAaron from PA, a reader of MetsBlog.com

I don’t understand why the Mets don’t trade both Ike Davis and Lucas Duda to get the most back in two separate deals? They could then put Daniel Murphy at first base and use Eric Young Jr. at second. It seems like a win-win on all sides. Has this been discussed?

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

It doesn’t seem like the Mets are getting high-quality offers for Davis or Duda, otherwise they would have made a trade by now. I suppose a team could still overbid, but that seems less and less likely every day…

In late September, Terry Collins told WFAN that he expects Murphy to be his team’s starting second baseman next season. However, he did say he could imagine a scenario where Murphy plays first base and Young Jr. plays second, though he made it seem like an unlikely solution. I said at that time, and I still feel the same today, that there’s a better chance Murphy gets traded than ends up as the everyday first baseman.

I suppose if Davis gets traded and Duda is a disaster in Spring Training, sure, anything is possible. However, short of that, I just don’t think the Mets want to go down that road with Murphy again because, a) he’s worked very hard to improve at second and he’s done a pretty solid job there, b) his bat is most valuable at second, and c) they have other ways to solve first base, in light of Davis and Duda. Alderson could turn to rookie Wilmer Flores, he could rely on Josh Satin or someone else in the minors, he could acquire someone - anyone – through trade or free-agency… or some combination of those five options.

I just don’t think using Murphy is a realistic option, unless it’s the only remaining option they have.




168 comments
Bill Torres Hollywood
Bill Torres Hollywood

In the minors that maybe but in the majors hes been fine did a good job fielding at 2b in colorado nd murphy isnt great at 2b also terry collins nd sandy have made it known they want him to leadoff...timo perez had a bad obp but hit enough to leadoff...

Chris Biehl
Chris Biehl

Based on what?? Oh by the way, EY sucked last year too, after a hot start, he was exposed badly as an everyday player.... .249 ba .310 obp .336 slg .645 ops....That's a pretty bad season

Chris Biehl
Chris Biehl

lol, EY had an obp of .310 last year.....that is awful and unacceptable for a leadoff hitter.....he also was a horrific fielding 2b in the minors.....speed is useless when you can't get on base.....

John Vastola
John Vastola

I like Murph better down in the order like 6th. Like Satin, Flores and the now departed Justin Turner...they're Third Basemen. But Flores at First Base will give you hits and RBIs.

cmetsfan
cmetsfan

The second base position requires flexibility, which is gonna diminish Murphy's power you'd think. His high average is fine as protection in the batting order in the bottom though, because you can  tell pitchers have a tough time with him. He doesn't need to produce more power at 2b, or 1b given his abilities and lineup presence.



The weird part is, either Ike Davis is awful and nobody wants him via trade(which I'm a bit surprised at) or other teams don't want to help the Mets by taking him in trade, which maintains a logjam with Flores/Duda/Davis/Murphy options.


I know people will say if other teams wait long enough, maybe Davis gets cut or Alderson's asking price is too high, but just seems kind of strange to me that Ike hasn't been dealt for an okay back up catcher and bullpen arm or,or utility infielder.


I don't know whether it's strange Alderson is unable to do this, or in all of baseball, nobody finds potential value in Ike Davis. If the asking price is too high(which it shouldn't be) or there's reluctance by ownership, I understand, but otherwise, I don't expect it to get any easier to trade Davis once the season starts, so they might literally end up with nothing, plus a crowded first base for the first part of year. 


Mets don't seem to care that time is a commodity in growing a fan base back, and they've been coasting quite a bit. Fans often will pay to see a new bad movie, but they don't release old bad movies in theaters with hype, because that's just abusing fans on top of cheating them.


I get Ike could turn it around, it just doesn't sound like the organization knows how to go about it with Davis.


Mike Boylan
Mike Boylan

Yes, they should. Put Flores at 2nd. If he doesn't work out, put E Young at 2nd. Stat wise, Murphy is 2nd worst 2nd baseman in Mets history, at .972. Only Chuck Hiller is worse....in 50 years. And Hiller only played 2nd for the Mets for about 140 games. They moved him to the OF because of his poor glove. I think fans underestimate how poor Murphy is at 2nd. Not only his %, but his turning the DP is awful, he can't go to his right, he can't jump, and his throws on the DP turn are terrible. He can hit, and I like him in the lineup, but you need to be strong up the middle, and at CF and C, the Mets are fine, but at SS and 2nd, they need better defenders. It's that simple.

Eric Kench
Eric Kench

Because Eric Young Jr. was a Gold Glove Finalist for the most difficult of the three outfield positions. They're not gonna move him. It's that simple.

maxster
maxster

You guys are all missing it. Wilmer Flores is the Mets top offensive prospect. He is 22 and his numbers in the minors are better than d'arneau's. He is a good glove 3rd baseman with somewhat limited range. Sounds like a 1st base candidate. He is raking again at Winter Ball. Forget all the marginal players we are talking about for 1st base. PLAY FLORES EVERDAY at 1b and he will put up numbers and have a great year. He has the highest upside.

metfan8669
metfan8669

This question and conversation are a complete waste of time.   The individual that asked the question is not very smart, nor do they have a good baseball eye and the understanding that comes with that.

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

The mets would be remarkably dumb to take out a young defensive star who has a decent bat but seems to be only improving offensively. Hitting good in winter ball and is going to fill out more you certainly don't take him out for a career bench player like EY jr

Jake McCord
Jake McCord

F no. Either platoon ike and duda or trade for some power

green24
green24

So then we'd have the worst offensive 1B and worst offensive 2B in baseball? Fun!



mets4lyfe
mets4lyfe

I'd rather see Ike Davis play 1B for an entire year than see Murphy at 1B. Honestly, Murphy's essentially a league-average offensive player. Why waste the 1B spot for his offense?


Murphy doesn't hit for any power whatsoever. He's a singles hitter who hits for a decent average and occasionally hit doubles that come from hitting balls down the foul line.

Jared Bonsignore
Jared Bonsignore

Leave murph at 2nd. Trade for a SS that can lead off and put Flores at 1st

Olerud42
Olerud42

I mean, if he had someone else who could put up 3 WAR at second base maybe, sure, but I'm not seeing it. 

hoser_14
hoser_14

One word: NO!    

Stop playing games with Daniel Murphy, it's not fair, he earned the right to stay in one position.   I rather move David Wright to 1st, than Murphy.

Mlb GM
Mlb GM

No, ike ir flores should be at 1b

Mike Dell Italia
Mike Dell Italia

Im sick of people saying put Murphy at first base, his value is at second base.  Most people say this bc there dying to get Eric Young in the lineup so he could leadoff.  You guys know that Eric Young ended up w like 317 obp thats not going to cut it.  

Roberto Morales
Roberto Morales

no first base for murphy. He is not a First basemen. keep him at second. leave Ike at first ! Duda will back up ike. Send lagares to AAA. Sign Nelson cruz! 


Jean_Valjean
Jean_Valjean

Yawn. Duda & Satin at 1B. Why not. Better than Ike batting sub-.200. Wright at 3B, Tejada at SS, Murph at 2B, just like old times. Before you know it, May will be here, and the Mets will be talking up 2015.


Meanwhile, Beltran gets personal about the Mets. "But when someone is trying to hurt you in a very personal way, trying to put things out there ... then we got trouble. Now, it's personal."


Trouble. There you have it. Your 2014 New York Clowns.

oleosmirf
oleosmirf

Murphy would be one of, if not the worst offensive 1B in baseball. We're already going to have one of the worst offensive CF and SS in the MLB, moving Murphy to 1B (and subsequently EY Jr to 2B) would leave us with half of our hitters being amongst worst offensive players at their position in the MLB.


So no moving Murphy to 1B would be a disastrous decision...

Rob B Smith
Rob B Smith

It would be a win win. But, I would keep Murphy where he is, it seems he's gaining confidence at 2b. I wouldn't have a problem with Davis retuning this year and giving him some space. I also do see him becoming a gold glove in time. What if the Mets tried asking Wright to move to 1b and have Flores playing his normal position at 3b? What's yours thoughts.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

EYJr. was released early last season by an ordinary major league team.  He played respectably after being picked off the scrap heap by the Mets, settling in left.  He is not, by any measure,  a versatile MLB talent.  They've already squeezed out of him what he's capable of.  Trying to have him re-invent himself again at 2nd is an exercise in abject stupidity.

tommets
tommets

I'd rather put Flores at 1st just because he still doesn't have a set position and Murphy has been working at 2nd for what is it his third year now? Flores at 1st, Murphy at 2nd, new SS(or if we have no other choice Tejada), and Wright at 3rd

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

No! Daniel Murphy's offense is nice at 2b but at 1b, it is not good enough. If we have Cano playing 2b, then we can do that, but anything short of him the new need more power from that position. The 12 HRs we would get from Murphy at 1b would be terrible production especially with Tejada at ss and EY at 2nd.


Macacawitz
Macacawitz

It's taken forever to find a place he could play without embarrassing himself.  Why screw with what seems to work?  Ike, Duda, Satin, Flores, Murphy.  All this discussion emphasizes is what a dysfunctional mess the Mets still are. 

Mike Boylan
Mike Boylan

@mets4lyfe He had 190 hits. How is that average, being 2nd in the league? Power? Pedroia hit 9 hrs this year and batted 3rd. That's not what you'd want from a 3 hitter, yet that worked out alright. Need to think outside the box. Murph can hit, but is a poor fielder. Need a spot for his bat.

Peter Buell
Peter Buell

does it really matter where the doubles I hIt and for an occasional double you mean occasionally hitting 38 of them

all you people looking to trade Murphy for reliever are ridiculous. Forget the fact that he's a top hOtter look at the stats for who hits in the clutch. I'd rather have Murphy up with two out and runners in scoring position then anyone except maybe David

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

Amen brother, been saying this since day 1. If we clear Ike's salary it frees up money to sign drew who becomes are lead off. An infield of wright, drew, murph, and Flores (maybe occasionally duda or satin, if he struggles) we have a pretty solid team. I nice mix of veterans and young guys with ALOT of potential. Those seem to be the teams that make it far we need to build chemistry.

1. Drew SS (HR- 10 RBI- 40 AVG- 280)

2. Flores 1B (HR- 16 RBI- 60 AVG- 260)

3. Murph 2B (HR- 14 RBI- 80 AVG- 290)

4. Wright 3B (HR- 24 RBI- 95 AVG- 290)

5. Grandy LF (HR- 27 RBI- 85 AVG- 240)

6. C young RF (HR- 15 RBI- 50 AVG- 230)

7. TDA C (HR- 12 RBI- 60 AVG- 265)

8. Lagares (HR- 10 RBI- 50 AVG- 260)

1. Niese 16-10

2. Colon14-14

3. Wheeler 16-10

4. Gee 13-11

5. Mejia (anything for a stopgap until Thor gets here) 12-12

With a decent bullpen arm in return for Ike and a few flyers with our guys that are already established and only getting better, we look like a team that can compete THIS YEAR. All it takes is one more move I think the SS will put us over the top. The sad thing is if Harvey didn't get injured we would undoubtedly be a competitor this year. This lineup actually looks like a major league team. If TDA, Lagares and Flores can take steps forward they will bring that young excitement. Along with the veteran leadership of David, Gandy, Colon, Drew and C young, I think the chemistry on this team will be killer. By the way I put murph in the 3 hole to stretch the lineup, it could obviously be switched if Flores struggled in the 2 hole. Don't mind my projections just throwing out possibilities, give me some feed back and let me know what you think of the lineup and if we would compete.

metstastic
metstastic

Right.. SS That can lead off grows on trees !

Gland1
Gland1

@hoser_14 that's just dumb.  Are you saying that David Wright hasn't earned the right to stay in one position but that Daniel Murphy has?  Dumb.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

If they put together a trade to get Chris Owings, he could play SS and bat lead off. Then all this talk about moving Murphy, or benching Lagares, in order to get EYjr in the lead off spot would be moot.

Owings SS

Young RF

Granderson LF

Wright 3B

Murphy 2B

Flores 1B

d'Arnaud C

Lagares CF

Murphy could drive in 90 to 100 runs in the 5 hole. He drove in 80 at the #2 spot last season. Chris Young has more speed and a better career OBP than Murphy, so I put him 2nd. This line up has speed and power in the 1-4 spots. It is also left/right balanced. If Flores isn't ready to play 1B, he starts in AAA playing 1B, and the Duda or Davis / Satin platoon gets a shot.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

His value on the trade market might be as a 2B, but that doesn't mean that it is best for the team that he stay there. If they are truly commited to EYjr as their lead off hitter, then the only way Lagares stays in CF is for Murphy to move to 1B and EYjr to 2B. It would improve our defense up the middle to put EYjr at 2B and keep Lagares in CF. I also think that Lagares will improve as an offensive player, as long as he gets the chance to play regularly.

Jason Luft
Jason Luft

Nelson Cruz is terrible, Lagares is one of the best fielders in baseball, and Duda and Ike on the same team is redundant. Satin backs those guys up and platoons with either of them.

Kyle Munroe
Kyle Munroe

I can't live with tejada as our SS again man

niesesnose
niesesnose

God this site is horrible. I should have stayed at amazin avenue

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

If we had a legit offensive 1B on the roster, then I'd agree with you. Since we don't, then I think they should put there best defensive team out there.

BigAl831
BigAl831

@Rob B Smith David Wright is coming off two of the best defensive seasons of his life….Wilmer Flores is bad everywhere….so I'd say no.

niesesnose
niesesnose

The mets never said they'd move Murphy to first, it's been speculation by us and Cerrone

metfan8669
metfan8669

@kenmetskni - That Owings guy isn't that impressive.  How many years/games and HR's has he accumulated so far in his professional career?  Including the minors of course.

The answer is not many.   You want to give up pitching for the next Cliff Pennington.  I would never do that.

Mike Boylan
Mike Boylan

@Kyle Munroe Me neither. If he doesn't hit, I'd rather have Tovar. He doesn't look like a hitter either, but he can pick it. I don't want Drew. I don't care what his regular season numbers were. In the post season, he was 6-54 with 17k's. And he played at Fenway. Jason Bay had great Fenway numbers too, and we know how that worked out.

oleosmirf
oleosmirf

@kenmetskni you cannot win with half of your lineup being way below average offensively.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

Wright isn't moving anywhere. That said, Flores didn't look that bad at 3B defensively. Not before he was hurt anyway.

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@niesesnose Then why even speculate?  It's an idiotic, non-starter not worthy of a discussion.  The only reason it merits a 2nd thought is, like many Mets, Murphy wound up on a major league roster in a DH-less league without a position to play.

kenmetskni
kenmetskni

I agree, but even with Duda, Davis, and Satin we are still below average at 1B. Those 3 are AAAA players.

Gland1
Gland1

@Macacawitz @Gland1 @niesesnose Cerrone isn't very bright.  In his mind this all seems plausable.  And I don't believe he has any actual sources.  I think he tries to piece together garbage from the nothing that people tell him.   That's not new at all.  

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

@Gland1 @Macacawitz @niesesnose It's not speculation, it's fantasy.  Why don't they just move Wright to first and let Flores play third.  Given that the Mets wouldn't play Flores anywhere else last year, you can speculate that that's their long term plan.  Of course that's nonsense, but you can make a case for it.

niesesnose
niesesnose

I'm almost starting to think Cerrone's anonymous sources are commenters on MLBtr

Gland1
Gland1

@Macacawitz @niesesnose This whole blog is just speculation.  You should know that by now.  Cerrone and crew speculate on something pointless, and a bunch of readers take it literally.