Dillon Gee has not been right since the All-Star break

Dillon Gee gave up four runs and eight hits in 5 2/3 innings Tuesday night against the A’s.

“He was up in the zone,” Mets manager Terry Collins said after the game. “He’s a better pitcher than he’s showing.”


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Gee is 1-5 with a 5.06 ERA in eight starts since returning from the disabled list in early July, in which the Mets are 2-6. His first start back he allowed just one run over seven innings against the Braves. Then the team hit the All-Star break. Since, he’s posted a 5.71 ERA over 41 innings.

He had been 3-1 with a 2.73 ERA prior to straining his back muscle.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

He clearly has no feel for what he’s doing on the mound since the All-Star break. I’d love to know how he feels in the bullpen before the game, because he looks to have no handle on his arsenal when it’s go time.

He’s been throwing a lollipop curve ball lately and it isn’t fooling anyone, nor is it even close to the strike zone. And where is his change-up? Last night, the A’s were just sitting on his fastball, which was up in the zone, and so they were squaring up on it and knocking him all over the ballpark.

The good news is that this is not the pitcher he had been during the previous year and a half, when his results were among the top in baseball. I trust eventually he’ll find his grip and confidence and settle back in to the pitcher he knows he can be. But, man, in the meantime, it’s been ugly to watch…




61 comments
jersymick
jersymick

I think it obvious he didn't get enugh rehab work in higher A ball. I dont believe he ever went to AAA. He just rehabed in A ball in newark or Brooklyn. He's costing the team big time & should be sent to AAA, if that is the truth. He needs fine tuning without costing us games.

could this be another bad call on Collins?

Craig Mitchell
Craig Mitchell

I had predicted that Gee would make the all-star game this year. If it weren't for his injury...he might have.

matmil
matmil

Very unfortunate for the Mets that he is doing poorly. If he's successful he gives them a great trade chip. Really need him to find himself before the season ends.

herblehman
herblehman

Dillon Gee is only 6' 1". Maybe it would help if he were taller.

Seriously, when deGrom comes back from the DL, perhaps Gee can work out his issues in the bullpen and we can continue to get a look at Rafael Montero, who has nothing left to prove in the minors.

Straw18
Straw18

There goes any trade value over the winter 

Doubleday
Doubleday

He hasn't been right since his stint in the DL.  Shut him down.

metstastic
metstastic

Gee is a very weird pitcher. He gets on an insanely hot start, but then he fizzles. I would be curious to see his first half numbers vs second half.

Chris Molloy
Chris Molloy

I know in this day and age everything needs to be explained. Dillon Gee is a 4th or 5th starter, period. He is not Tom Seaver or Chris Swinden, He will always have bad stretches in a season because he needs to be perfect. His stuff is average for MLB. End of story

semperfi
semperfi

2015-Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Matz, Snydergard or Montero, whoever is more ready, need Matz to replace Niese as your your lefty and he is ready, got #1 starter stuff, will win spot in spring if given the chance, Niese, Gee, Colon and any other prospects other then those listed above make available, play Flores, denDekker and Reynold the rest of the way to see what you got, might have more then you think if you gave them all a full time shot. Dump TC will never lead this team to the promise land, he is not capable.

birtelcom
birtelcom

Gee and Niese have been among the Mets 5 primary starters (in terms of most starts) for each of the past four seasons -- 2011 through 2014.

The last pairs to be in the Mets primary five starters together for at least four seasons have been Al Leiter and Steve Trachsel from 2001 through 2004 and Leiter and Rick Reed from 1998 through 2001.  Other than that, to find such a long-standing combo you have to go back to the Gooden/Darling years (they were in the rotation together for 8 seasons) when those two also teamed up for extended periods with Sid Fernandez and David Cone, and before that to the Seaver/Koosman years -- Tom S. and Jerry K. were in the Mets rotation together for nine years, along with Jon Matlack, Gary Gentry and Jim McAndrew for various four-to five periods.      

tullydew
tullydew

He should have been traded while his value was high. He is a #4 or # 5 starter that providers innings and that's about it.

Thanks Sandy! Keep sleeping on the job.

Kevin John
Kevin John

Football is here & I need to start prepping for my draft. 

Until March, Metsblog!

7up17left
7up17left

This is what the Mets organization always gets wrong....


Small Picture:  Dillon hasn't been right since the All Star game...

Big Picture:  This franchise hasn't been right since April/2008....

Macacawitz
Macacawitz

Aside from the beer vendors, the burger flippers at Shake Shack and the people who collect the parking money, no one in this organization has any feel for what they're doing. 

Kenneth Meltsner
Kenneth Meltsner

As we learned all too painfully during our time with an aged Tom Glavine, when a finesse pitcher is off he is very beatable. Gee has also been suffering from the 'Jon Niese One-Bad-Inning Syndrome.  Also nice to see Gonzalez Germen back in mid-season form (yeah, I know he was unhittable in Vegas but he has never shown much up here). Really, have they go no one else in the farm system who deserves a courtesy call?

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

Hey, good news is he's lowering his arbitration number by the start. 

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

Like the guy but this is his norm -- he has periods where he's great & then he's hurt or can't find himself -- seems a bit longer than usual, but saw this film before

dave42
dave42

I love Gee.  He's one of the guys I have been most happy to be wrong on (thought he was a #5 at best).  Many have compared him to Rick Reed.  Reed had a very spotty career.  His ERA+ for his career was 106, but he had a 202 for Texas, a 141 and 121 for the Mets as well as a 97 and 109.  I don't recall if Reed struggled with nagging injuries.  Gee hasn't put it together for a whole season yet, though he has had long stretches of success.


I do know that Gee needs to be very precise when he pitches or this is the result.  Currently his career ERA+ is 95.  I hate to say it, but if we can trade him as part of a package for a hitter, I think we should.  I agree with ventura_4 below - trade Gee and Colon and maybe Niese too.  I'd hesitate to get rid of all three until Noah and Montero or Matz have solidified themselves.  But ultimately, Niese will probably end up on the outs.

ventura_4
ventura_4

He's a mediocre pitcher and this is what mediocre pitchers do. Win some, lose more; look great, look bad for just as long. I'm sick of people trying to analyze what is wrong with players like these, nothing is wrong - this is what they are. Aside from the pitching staff the Mets are over flowing with average ML baseball players; aside from Lagares' defense of course. 


Find a taker for Gee, Neise, and Colon - go with the youth and have the rotation next year look like; 


Harvey                 Bullpen of;

Wheeler              Mejia

deGrom              Familia

Noah                   Black

Montero              Parnell

                           Torres

                           Edgin


If they end up trading Noah and other prospects for a big time bat, I'm perfectly fine with that; then keep Niese and plug him into Noah's spot.


It's so frustrating to see teams like the Cubs, Astros, and Marlins do a proper re-build, while the Mets are on the verge of winning 74 games for a third straight year. They'll likely win less than that, they'll have to go 15-20 the rest of the way to reach 74. 

mvmet
mvmet

Who the heck can pitch and win with this hitters attack....always needing to pitch a shutout.....sometimes you can get away with 4 runs and win..Its happened on other teams but not ours.

rico
rico

@Straw18 I wouldn't say that. He has a month and a half to turn it around. He's got a rep as a good pitcher. 

joe21
joe21

@semperfi  they may have to hang onto to at least two of the vets til mid year to make sure that Harvey is back and they can absorb injury or set back on the others. also, all will still have inning limitations, so they will need to eat innings in the first half

wingo43
wingo43

@tullydew Gee was injured before the trade deadline market was developing.   Not Sandy's fault here.


He could've traded Niese or Gee this past off season though.

rico
rico

@7up17left if you read the last few entries here it seems like the fans always get it wrong too and they can look in the rearview mirror, but they don't they just make up facts to support their impulsive assertions.  

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@7up17left

No. We were a very good team until the final game at Shea in Sept 2008. Milwaukee beat us to the WC. We were a good team entering 2009, but an insipid new stadium designed to weaken the teams' main strength at that point--hitting and DWright--and many, many injuries destroyed 2009. Matt Cain's pitch on a hot summer day busted DWright's brain, then along came Bernie...

7up17left
7up17left

@dave42 I liked Reed as well.  He was a super competitor but really benefited by pitching at Shea.. The other teams he pitched for he was mediocre, especially Minny (who use to score a ton of runs for him to camouflage his w/l numbers) at the end of his career  

ken1010
ken1010

Gee's trade value would be pretty low right now.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@dave42  call me weird, but Rick Reed was my all time favorite met lol...when he came ot us, he was a decent pitcher, but his numbers were MADDUX like with us, except that last year..he actually went pitch for pitch with maddux TWICE in dueling no hitters, but we lost both times. one game was like hour and 25 minutes, in the cold rain..it was crazy...I didn't wanna leave shea...but im off track..anyway, I love Gee too, but go back and look at Reed's numbers with us. Reed pitched like a true 2, sometimes ACE. Gee has been great for a year (until the all star break), so I see the potential, but not sure he can sustain a "2" numbers for  years to come...


another quick Reed story, one time against the Brewers his slider was SOOO nasty, with SOOO much late break, it looked like Nintendo MLB baseball, how you can move the pitch at the last second...Over head cams caught the movement and it was nuts...by middle of the game, Davy Lopes came out and urged the ump to pat down Reed, cuz he was convinced the guy was scuffing the ball or something, because there's no way a ball could move like that without doctoring it...obv the pat down came up clean otherwise we'd always remember Reed as the scab AND ball scuffer lol..


I love Rick Reed

dave42
dave42

@ventura_4  regarding the Cubs, Astros and Marlins - their "proper" re-build involved really bottoming out for an extended period.  The Marlins then did their typical "sign a bunch of high-priced guys to back-loaded deals and trade them in a year" motif.  I am glad the Mets didn't get that bad - Houston lost 100+ games for three years in a row and will lose 90+ again this year.  Cubs 90+ and on their way to #4.  Bad as the Mets have been, they've only lost 90 games once in this stretch. 


I get it - sometimes you want to bottom out and get that #1 or top 3 draft pick instead of picking 11th every year.  But in baseball that doesn't pay off like in the NBA or NFL. 

joe21
joe21

@ventura_4  I think you are on the right track, but I think they will look to move them in the middle of next year, so they can let the younger guys develop just a little more. at the end of the day, I think they will move these three more for salary than talent. Except for Wheeler, all of the young pitching will still have inning limits, so they will need the vets to eat some first half innings and look to replace them in July. Moving those three alone, would clear about $22M after next year and if you replace Murphy with Herrara the number goes over $30M, which allows for addtions without subtractions. 2016 could have all starters (and a couple in reserve) without inning limits and $30M to spend on a bat like Justin Upton

Joe Paulson
Joe Paulson

@ventura_4 Getting a taker for Colon and one other pitcher is fairly standard advice ... might be useful to keep one guy in reserve - who knows how long it will take for Harvey to be back 100% and Noah is an unknown quality & Montero looks rough.

matmil
matmil

That is Colon's best asset he eats innings.

metstastic
metstastic

No he couldn't have. None of the minor leaguers were ready. It is why Colon was signed!

Kevin John
Kevin John

@Andrew Vazzano I'm really not leaving though. I can't help myself but get my daily Mets dose. Even if its not the greatest news.

dave42
dave42

@ken1010  true.  He has to right the ship and soon.  I figure he's not tradable until November anyway.

dave42
dave42

@Mr. SERCH @dave42  you are weird. 


But in a way, being a Reed fan is exactly like being a Mets fan.  Dickey had some similarities too - the kid from nowhere, the Miracle Mets.  Ya Gotta Believe.  It's why I love them too. 

ventura_4
ventura_4

@dave42 @ventura_4 See but I think if the Mets bottomed out for a year or two, it would have been worth it, terrible to watch - but worth it. The fact that they're continuing to linger around mediocrity is what is so frustrating to me. If they were 20-25 games under, losses wouldn't be as frustrating, I don't know, maybe it's just me. 

ventura_4
ventura_4

@joe21 @ventura_4 If they waited for July next year to move these guys, I'd be ok with it. I feel next year will be similar to this year to start; then Collins will go in-season, along with Murphy, and 2/3 of these pitchers mentioned. Hard to say, but I think 2016 is really the year they will compete; if the right moves are made. 

ventura_4
ventura_4

@Joe Paulson good point, I'm just tired of watching the same thing year after year - and I'm sure every other fan is too. By now we know what Gee and Niese are. I feel what we saw from Montero last time out, and in his game vs. Arizona is what he will eventually be. I don't see this team in the playoffs next year, so that brings us to 2016. Who would have thought at the end of the 2006 season that it would be a decade before they were in the playoffs again (assuming 2016 is the year). 

joe21
joe21

@ventura_4 @joe21  2016 is the time I think when the window really starts to open. no more inning limits, payroll cleared, prospects ready to contribute and the young bucks still not getting huge raises. Harvey is the first to Arb 1 and that is in 2016, so everyone is under control and still cheap. by the time these guys are ready to get paid, Grandy will be off the books and even DW will be up before the likes of Wheeler, deGrom and Noah face FA

dave42
dave42

@ventura_4 @Joe Paulson  I can live with Niese as our #4 or #5 starter though!  Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Niese, Noah with Montero and Matz on call.  Sign me up.

ventura_4
ventura_4

@dave42 @ventura_4 @Joe Paulson I can live with that too, but a part of me hopes Noah isn't here next year. If they're not going to spend money it will cost Noah to get a real bat in here, and I'm fine with that. Imagine if they spent like they used to; with this pitching staff.

Leif Granlind
Leif Granlind

@ventura_4 @dave42 @Joe Paulson Niese is overrated too. You're not sure even with a 7-1-lead with him on the mound. Why should he get a free pass just because he's lefthanded? I would be fine with five righties until Matz is ready.

Mr. SERCH
Mr. SERCH

@Leif Granlind  its all gonna be moot if we trot out this SAME offense/lineup...we're just WASTING great performances by the starters, and after a rough month and a half, the bullpen...they've gotta realize that the time is NOW. Go get Yasmani Tomas, and work a trade out with the Cubs for Baez, Castro, or Russell...now you've got a complete lineup, a DEEP lineup...they CAN take the next step next year, they CAN win 90 games if mgmt. commits to upgrading our 2 biggest holes..the pitching is there and READY, with other youngsters getting better and better as well

ventura_4
ventura_4

@Mr. SERCH @Leif Granlind couln't agree with you any more. I just have zero confidence that Sandy will deal pitching even though we all know that is what needs to be done.