Carlos Gonzalez

Did the Mets miss out on a big bat?

There had been talk of middle-of-the-order hitters being available before today’s 4 p.m. trade deadline; but none were moved, including Dodgers OF Matt Kemp, Rockies SS Troy Tulowitzki and OF Carlos Gonzalez, Rangers OF Alex Rios, Phillies OF Marlon Byrd and Twins OF Josh Willingham.

Sandy Alderson told reporters late Thursday that he did have talks with teams about “significant players.”

However, he added, “We just never agreed on anything,” especially since he did not want to subtract from his 25-man roster, nor give up one of his top pitching prospects for the names being offered.

That said, the Cubs traded Emilio Bonifacio to the Braves; the Padres sent OF Chris Denorfia to the Mariners; the Indians traded SS Asdrubal Cabrera to the Nationals; Arizona sent OF Gerardo Parra to the Brewers and infielder Martin Prado to the Yankees; and the Red Sox and Yankees swapped SS Stephen Drew for infielder Kelly Johnson.

The Tigers traded OF Austin Jackson in a deal for David Price; Oakland traded OF Yoenis Cespedes in a deal for Jon Lester; and the Cardinals traded OF Allen Craig in a deal for John Lackey.




171 comments
jersymick
jersymick

I just wanted to ask a question about these type of articles which lists many players. Could you post some of their numbers batting average on base percentage home runs next to their names or even just make them links so you could click on the names and go right to there stats. Thank you and I love your work

Bob Primosch
Bob Primosch

The market just didn't seem to be there in either direction.  He was wise not to overpay with prospects right now.

Paul Wesolowski
Paul Wesolowski

Im going to go out on the limb and say with the drive of these young kids, the Mets make the WC playoff spot! I have FAITH AND APPARENTLY so does SA!

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Yawn.  Everyone missed out on big bats outside of Cespedes being moved.  I can't see anyone being truly surprised right now.


The thing that gets me is the lack of an add of a player that's just taking on a little salary and getting a win or two more the rest of the way.  Ah well.

mr met
mr met

wait we couldnt trade josh satin for stephen drew ? lol

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

Its pretty funny the psychology of this blog. Since the Mets won yesterday, folks are feeling good and mostly defending SA. If they lost yesterday, most posts would be reaming him. I wish they improved offensively somehow. They have been "standing pat" for a long time. Eventually there has to be something out there so we don't have to put CY out there most nights. Perhaps they aren't willing to take on salary (Colon's or a better hitter) and I guess that's the Wilpons , not SA influence.

xplr
xplr

"However, he added, “We just never agreed on anything,” especially since he did not want to subtract from his 25-man roster, nor give up one of his top pitching prospects for the names being offered."


Well, if you won't trade anyone on your current roster or any top prospects, then how do you expect to bring in a significant player?????

MetsFan1962
MetsFan1962

Sandy said he did not want to subtract from his 25 man roster. What does that mean?

Rich Colacino
Rich Colacino

I am shocked by all the negativity for Sandy....the guy is a grown up GM who has made some very good deals. Take a look at the return he got for Beltran, Dickey, Byrd.....would anyone want those 3 players for Wheeler, Syndergaard, d'Arnaud, Black and Herrera (tearing up AA) ?

Facts----he inherited a terrible farm system, terrible roster and a cheap owner who was in serious financial trouble with a new stadium to pay off.....he has done a damn good job.......IF there is one fault, its that he tends to move slow.......but face facts, there has not been one free agent on the market since he took over that was worth the money. We missed out on nobody. How many of you were asking for Drew at 15m per for 3yrs? I want to win too but he's doing it right. Look at all the overpriced crap on the market now.....Kemp? 20m declining numbers....Tulo? 20m with terrible road splits for his career and very injury prone....CarGo? 20m and massively injury prone with bad road splits. That guy has one year of 30/100., worth 20m? Rios? 4hrs in Texas??? how many at Citi? 13m option next year, gimme a break....Willingham? cmon hes hitting 217 and hes old and sucks. There is garbage out there for the prices being asked. I would love Tulo and CarGo too but at the right price. Sandy is smart and patient. I would not want my GM to be trading away top prospects for Victor Zambrano or a GM who gives every Latin player over 45 multi year contracts.....btw, have you noticed that ever since Sandy and his team arrived, our minor league players are actually developing???  Matt Harvey did not become a pitcher till long after Omar was gone. The minor leagues are beginning to blossom under this regime.....yes he moves at glacier speed but I still believe the future could be VERY bright for the next decade. Omar and Phillips and guys like them try for 1-2 yrs and bust.....Sandy is trying to build a long term decade long team......no idea if it will work but i think we are headed in the right direction.

Dan Ryan
Dan Ryan

It's the Mets who cares?

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

Those Boston fans must at least be happy as hell they got Cepedis,though they had to trade Lester.

I'd loove to see Cepedis in a Mets Jersey..Pipedream

Patrick LeGrady
Patrick LeGrady

People keep bringing up Tulo like the Rockies are trying to get rid of him. It's a pipedream people Tulo is not getting traded.

shawnp6986
shawnp6986

And the most boring GM in MLB award goes to....

Same ol chit as you said below,Jimmy.

oddmanrush
oddmanrush

Wait. So you mean you TALKED with other teams about significant players Sandy? Oh okay. I can sleep now.

BigJon Esco Espinoza
BigJon Esco Espinoza

Nope, I'm good with what we have now. I know he'll make something happen b4 next years deadline.

Mitchell Fier
Mitchell Fier

Can somebody check Sandy Alderson for a pulse.

sixrun
sixrun

First off Terry has to go.......

hankypanky
hankypanky

If Cargo hits .170 outside of Coors Field, what would he hit in Citifield, I wonder? .070?

James Solomon
James Solomon

Im not upset by the lack of action today.  Sandy has proven himself to know what hes doing with these type of trades.  No trade means no bad trade either.  This team isnt that far off and the wrong trade only sets that back further


tw22
tw22

A win or two more. I'm going to hope you are being sarcastic, a win or two at the price of anyone wouldn't have been worth. The mets were not deadline dealers, if anything significant is to be done it will be in the offseason

mr met
mr met

@nhmetsfan dont need to know anything about psychology to know that people are fickle.

BigTrain
BigTrain

@nhmetsfan Very astute.  I work in the financial services technology industry.  A sentiment chart that tracks words, phases, tones has made it's way into how stocks are valued.  It would be interesting to see objective data here as opposed to "Approval Ratings" usually posted after a prolonged win streak.

zoddie
zoddie

@nhmetsfan  CY is on a one year deal.  He'll be gone soon enough and never seen in a Mets uni again.  And the Mets haven't been standing pat.  We've made a few trades (Beltran-Wheeler, Dickey->Syndergaard/d'Arnaud/Becerra, Byrd-Herrera/Vic Black) and made a few free agent signings (Grandy to help improve the outfield, Colon to fill in for Harvey, Chris Young to make me throw up in my mouth a little every day).


It is clear the man has a plan and is moving the team in the right direction.

zoddie
zoddie

@MetsFan1962  That he didn't want to make the major league team worse right now.

Bob Primosch
Bob Primosch

@Rich Colacino Yes on all of this, and SA is right to be risk averse at the moment.  Even if the money were there, this team could not take a disaster similar to what the Rangers are going through with Fielder. 

Kevin VanTassell
Kevin VanTassell

I was at first disappointed nothing was done, but realizing that the big bats (Tulowitzki, Gonzalez, Castro, Baez, and maybe Stanton) are still out there and the Mets still have all their pieces to make a big trade.

The Mets have the pitching to have a good last two months, and if Duda and d'Arnaud can prove they are what they have shown the last month, and if Murphy continues to be an All Star they can be a plus .500, and fun to watch.

BUT when those big bats are traded, they need to step up.

heynow20
heynow20

Some people just crave moves and think any move, even a dumb one, is better than no move. These are the same people who understand the trade market better than all the GMs in the game, know what everyone is thinking and truly in their heart of hearts...and this the most comical part...actually think Sandy doesn't care to win...there's just no rationalizing with those people.

zoddie
zoddie

Better boring than bad.

cver
cver

@imjimmybx Funny thing is that I never heard anyone talk about what Duda would have netted us.  By the "sell high" philosophy, I wonder if he was ever discussed behind closed doors.  Sure, one way to look at this is "why trade the guy, now that he's figured it out?", but another is that it's always possible (I hope not) that he goes into the toilet in a while and never returns to this level.  Glad for Duda - don't get me wrong.  Just wondering what he would have gotten in return and then there's the question of "who replaces him?".  Anyway, it didn't happen and frankly, shouldn't, unless someone was really willing to give up a lot, which I doubt would have happened.  And don't kid yourself, everybody.  As much as you all can't even think about it (and I don't really dare either), the Mets do mathematically have a chance this year.  They just need to play a bit better and hope the others falter.  6 out of WC and 7.5 out of first place at the end of July isn't insurmountable.

Paul Rubin
Paul Rubin

@imjimmybx The time to do that was in the off season and as it turned out, the big bat, Choo, has sucked. None of the bats traded today were some big bat in exchange for nothing. The Mets were almost certainly asked for Syndergaard and Wheeler and DeGrom. And that was likely for guys along the lines of Marlon Byrd, hardly a big bat. In fact most of the guys traded better not be the main guy. Price for Austin Jackson? Whoever came with Jackson better be an elite prospect. Lester was traded for a moderately big bat but we don't have a proven vet pitcher like Lester who's not over 40 to have made such a deal.


Bottom line, Alderson knows the Mets aren't making the post season in 2014. At least not without raping his farm system, and even then it's a long shot. He's a relatively conservative guy run by financially conservative owners. He'll waive Colon and free up some cash for next season when someone gets desperate. And we'll see how it goes. I still don't see the Mets as more than a 78-81 win team without 2 Tulowitskis and that's not happening. But add Harvey into the mix and a full season of D'Arnaud hitting well and that's a team worth investing a little more into.

nhmetsfan
nhmetsfan

@zoddie @nhmetsfan 

True, they have traded established players for prospects , all still looking positive or hopeful . And they have signed free agents. But I cant help but feel they wont even compete in a race for the wild card without added offense now. So sure there is the attempted  incremental construction of a competitive team. But not this year, and that is disappointing. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@cver @imjimmybx i hear ya, but Duda is making 1.6M this year and three more years of team control. He ain't going nowhere!!!!!!!!!!!

golflady7
golflady7

Patience is not always a virtue! Agree with most of this but have watched as all of the good/great Cuban players were passed over....

ofdzca7
ofdzca7

@Paul Rubin @imjimmybx Well put. In the post, Cerrone and company can't be suggesting that we missed out on something important by not landing the likes of Denorfia and Drew. 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

Do the math. Wildcard is a very long shot. No need to overpay at this point. 

2ndhalffun
2ndhalffun

I don't believe they were passed over due to bad evaluation of talent. The issue is they simply do not have the dinero $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@imjimmybx @Paul Rubin  CRUZ WAS NOT SIGNING WITH AN NL TEAM.  HE WANTED TO PLAY FOR A TEAM THAT COULD DH HIM HALF THE TIME!!! WHY DOES NO ONE REALIZE THIS?


As far as Abreu, I assume they just didn't want to take a chance on a unknown, especially at a position where they had 3 (although no great) in house options.  Replace Duda with Abreu, and they're still a bat away from contention.

cver
cver

@imjimmybx @Paul Rubin I was also an advocate of letting those two start the season in the rotation and not having Colon, but honestly, who knows how it would have played out.  You never can tell and definitely the Cruz situation - never would know if he would have been as successful in our ballpark and with the hitting philosophy of our organization, which is a whole other subject.  You would think the 4 different roster moves that you mention would put us in better shape, but can't be sure.  Did Syndergaard lose focus and get messed with in Vegas, only to be rescued now by Viola's return or is it as Viola says, that he needs to refine more.  I have to trust Viola here and in that case, maybe we would have rushed Thor.  On the other hand, if Thor came up to start the season with Montero and Viola became the Mets pitching coach after he came back from recuperating...