DeGrom coasts into August

Mets RHP Jacob deGrom held the Brewers to four hits, no runs over 6 1/3 innings and lowered his ERA to 2.79 with a 5-5 record.

DeGrom is 4-1 in July and has given up five runs in 32 1/3 innings in July with a 1.77 ERA. In his last four starts, he’s given up two runs in 27 1/3 innings.


MLB: New York Mets at Milwaukee Brewers


“He’s been very good,” manager Terry Collins told reporters after the win. “We keep talking about it. I guess he has to go out each time and prove it. He’s been very good. He was very good today.”

DeGrom threw 109 pitches, a season-high, as Collins tried to stretch out the rookie right-hander.

Collins said he consulted with pitching coach Dan Warthen before deGrom was sent back out to pitch with over 100 pitches. Collins and Warthen chose to keep him in the game knowing deGrom will get extra day of rest – due to a team off day.

Matthew Cerrone, Lead Writer

He didn’t get as many swings-and-misses as he had been getting in previous starts, but he still looked great. His slider is so strong. I think what I like most is that he is really mature, ‘wise beyond his years,’ so to speak. He has a deep repertoire and runs effective sequences throughout the game, even Sunday when the Brewers were making him work.

The opposition is never comfortable in the box against him. They were fouling balls off, going deep in counts, but he never gave in. He kept working to find the out. The Mets have brought up so many young pitchers over the years, guys they kept trying and trying and trying, who could never figure out how to battle and deGrom already does it so well.

It’s also worth noting he is a pretty good fielder, as well. He may be tall and lanky, with funky hair, but he’s very athletic as well…




112 comments
Chow Nima
Chow Nima

seems like wheeler is an after thought, don't count him out yet cause i think he will be a good one too.

semperfi
semperfi

Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, Snydergaard and Matz will be the best starting 5 in MLB, throw Tulo in the middle of the lineup along with Wright Grandy and Duda and you definitely have a 90 win ball club, use Gee, Niese, Colon, Montero and Murphy for your trade chips, saves $ plus brings back nice return, Hefner can be a inexpensive fill-in and we can build his value to be moved as well if needed, Tulo and Bautista would be perfect additions, Colorado and Toronto both need pitching help 

birtelcom
birtelcom

Best ERAs in the NL so far this July (min. 15 IP)

Tyson Ross 1.03

Clayton Kershaw 1.09

Jacob deGrom 1.39

Zack Wheeler 1.40

Adam Wainwright 1.62


robby
robby

I like his funky hair

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

How crazy is it that DeGrom was an after thought coming into this year and widely thought as more of a back of the rotation or 6th starter?  The steps he's taken at the big league level are insane.  If he keeps it up we may have a rookie of the year on our hands AND another integral part of the rotation for years to come.

Richard
Richard

And he is so easy to root for. He has almost half of the wins Harvey has in the big leagues but none of the antics-yes I know slight dig at Harvey:)


But yea coming back from Tommy John I saw no reason why they would risk him one more inning.

dave42
dave42

Can someone explain to me why deGrom was asked to start the 7th inning yesterday?  Why the heck would it possibly make sense to "stretch out" a guy who is on an innings limit and was already over 100 pitches?  It was a 2-0 game.  He should have been pinch hit for in the top of the inning (though you could argue he could have hit for himself then be taken out as he's better than most our pinch hitters).  Most relievers perform much better starting an inning than coming in with men on base. 


And again, deGrom may be pushing his maximum innings this season.  It made no sense in the game and it made no sense in the career of Jacob deGrom.  It could easily have cost the Mets yesterday's game.  It may still cost them down the road if it has a negative effect on a guy who has already had Tommy John surgery.

Harry Opitz
Harry Opitz

Im just sitting back smiling. The future looks bright for this team. It all seems to be coming together. Starters looking good, very good bullpen, as of late!! Younger players developing.I would like to see one big bat added. And going forward we could be a force.....Good days ahead!!!!!!

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

The farm system looks extremely solid. If you were to make a chart of Mets' top prospects at each position, it would look like:

C - Kevin Plawecki (.310 avg. / 8 HR / 54 RBI) #4 Catching prospect in MLB

1B - Dominic Smith (.289 avg. / 0 HR / 32 RBI) #1 1B prospect in MLB, only 19 years old in A ball

2B - Dilson Herrerra (.320 avg. / 8 HR / 53 RBI) Only 20 years old in AA

SS - Amed Rosario (.271 avg. / 2 HR / 16 RBI) Only 18 years old in Low-A ball, highest ceiling in system

3B - Jhoan Urena (.304 avg. / 3 HR / 23 RBI) Only 19 years old in Low-A ball

LF - Michael Conforto (.412 avg. / 0 HR / 4 RBI) 9-game hitting streak to start career, #86 MLB prospect

CF - Brandon Nimmo (.283 avg. / 9 HR / 40 RBI) Only 21 years old in AA, #68 MLB prospect

RF - Wuilmer Becerra ( .330 avg. / 5 HR / 13 RBI) Only 19 years old in Low-A ball

SP - Noah Syndergaard ( 5.16 ERA / 100 K: 31 BB / 1.52 WHIP) #13 MLB prospect, #4 RHP prospect

SP - Steven Matz ( 2.39 ERA / 95 K: 29 BB / 1.21 WHIP) Top LHP in farm system, only 23 years old in AA

SP - Rafael Montero ( 4.10 ERA / 58 K: 28 BB / 1.60 WHIP) Hitters friendly ballpark, expect better as he grows

SP - Marcos Molina ( 1.30 ERA / 41 K:10 BB / 0.86 WHIP) Only 19 years old in Low-A ball

1harris1
1harris1

How about Tulowitzky showing up at the Yankees game today as a spectator?  That's a little strange.  I'm sure the Rockies front office was thrilled with that one.

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

The Mets need to seriously consider trading Bartolo Colon, Dillon Gee, Jon Niese, and Daniel Murphy. The four of these players are all at their peak trade value and represent blockades for future young talent. By trading all three of Gee, Niese, and Colon, the Mets will bring back several very high ranked prospects (as we can see by the Peavy and the Huston Street deals) along with a handful of very respectful young ballplayers. Once they collect these new talents and add them to the farm system, the Mets will have plenty to deal for either Tulo, Cargo, or Stanton. Adding any of these dynamic ballplayers instantly changes the playoff picture along with the future seasons. 

Jon Niese can be replaced by Noah Syndergaard.

Dillon Gee can be replaced by Rafael Montero.

Bartolo Colon can be replaced by Matt Harvey (once he returns next year)

Daniel Murphy can be replaced by Wilmer Flores (Dilson Herrerra in a couple of years)


Herbert Greenebaum
Herbert Greenebaum

@semperfi  

Agree with all except Murphy. Won't get full value for him and he is the team's most consistent hitter,

Steven M. Harries
Steven M. Harries

@Joseph Baffi i don kno, mister baffi, bu ge tt tg tulo who ws in 4 in noo yawk 4 quad not good move by mister alderson. tulo stinky over priced oft injured jeter fan.

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

I was surprised they left him in, but I was OK with it.  He wasn't struggling in the slightest and to be honest, I don't think throwing 110 pitches every 5 or 6 days in the majors is going to blow the guy's elbow out.  Most of that damage happens before they are here.  In deGrom's cast, it was obviously before.

C.K. Dexter Haven
C.K. Dexter Haven

@dave42 I think i'd just like one clear and concise message.  Are you limiting his innings this year, or are you trying to stretch him out? 

Or why don't you try the truth TC?  you wanted to win the game (split the series; go .500 on the road trip) and you thought deGrom and his sterling 0.66 ERA the last 4 games gave you the best chance to do that.  That's fine, but stop pretending as if you had a thought process beyond that.

hankypanky
hankypanky

Does anyone know his final pitch count?

Robert Hess
Robert Hess

@dave42 I asked myself the same question as Keith was touting that he go another.  It made no sense and proves once again that Terry and sometimes Dan W, are idiots.  Yet they pull Niese (the start before his last one + they've done that to Gee as well).  Some (Most) of the moves  these guys make are maddening!

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Nice work on this.

It really is amazing that we have a system as deep as wek do now.  I can't wait until we continually get to see these guys start coming up.

Keith Law's org report calling us the 4th best in baseball with a big drop off after us seems right on the mark.

dave42
dave42

@William Gunnar Truitt  not to get too snippy, but there is a difference between Brooklyn - short-season A - and Savannah - Low A.  Your point is largely the same, but you're over-stating Becarra (who is in Kingsport not Brooklyn), Rosario and Urena by a little bit.

ken1010
ken1010

@William Gunnar Truitt

Go back a few years and you'd find:

1B - Ike Davis, advanced college hitter, hit .309 in AA, .364 in Buffalo AAA

2B - Reese Havens - hitting .289 in AA, with OPS over .800

Lots more good prospects, such as Fernando Martinez, always near the youngest in his league.

Maybe one-quarter or one-third of these guys in the minors now will work out - still need to trade for a power hitter.

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@William Gunnar Truitt Hang on there. If you're going to give that much credit here then maybe just maybe Sandy hasn't been the worst GM in the history of the sport like some here have said? 

Herbert Greenebaum
Herbert Greenebaum

@William Gunnar Truitt You must be kidding if you think Flores who has shown no ability to hit at the MLB level is an adequate replacement for Murphy,  You don't trade a .290 hitter for effin' prospects. oh BTW: Niese is the only left hand starter, so Matz is the replacement.

Andrew Pasquale
Andrew Pasquale

@William Gunnar Truitt I don't like assuming that Niese is going to be replaced by Syndergaard and Gee by Montero. In a perfect world, yes, they would be the ideal replacements. But as we've seen in the MLB as of late, pitchers are getting hurt, and they are getting hurt frequently. I don't want to assume that our prospects are going to be that good until they perform. 

Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@William Gunnar Truitt Just as big of an incentive is those guys would amount to approx. 35M in payroll next year. Money talks for this franchise. Or lack thereof

Chad Michael
Chad Michael

@William Gunnar Truitt I'm not saying you don't trade any of them but you don't just trade all of your talent at the majors away because you have a good farm system.  Not everyone develops and not all of the names you mentioned in another post will be with this team.  Some of those guys will be used in trades to bring in major league talent.  Gee, Niese, and Murphy are all young.  If you trade guys like that for younger players and continue that cycle then you will never get anywhere, you will just have a great farm system.


Not to mention I'd disagree they are all at their peak.  Niese looks like a concern with his past two starts, his elbow issue, and drop in velocity during games.  Gee as well hasn't looked great besides the first start since coming of the DL.  

Michael Fried
Michael Fried

@William Gunnar Truitt Its easy to throw out names in the comments section. Do you really think anyone in their right mind would take Colon? He is a mediocre, old pitcher with a fairly hefty contract. Look below us in the standings and see the pitching there is to be had in the trade market. Every rumor mill has talked about the Mets putting Colon out there, but no one has posted a source showing any reciprocal interest.

Gee/Niese are far too inconsistent to yield consistent returns.


Murphy is an ok second baseman, but he seems like a poor choice to move. He is one of the most consistent hitters on the mets (something they desperately need) and not many contenders have worse options then Murphy at 2b. Any way you look at it, its likely that we will see a net loss on a Murphy trade.


I think their best bet is to stand pat. Unless they can make a move on Tulo, there isn't really anything the Mets need that can be fixed by an in season trade. 

jenkins
jenkins

@William Gunnar Truitt like it but don't want to trade any of the top 5 starters in the system for either Rocky nor Stanton,who will cost too much, and the Marlins wouldn't trade with anyway.


Agree with every one of the players the Mets should trade, but don't have to give up Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler, Thor or Matz for anybody

fatherflot
fatherflot

@William Gunnar Truitt I think you need at least one lefty in the rotation, so Niese is a special case until Matz is here or they have a lefty alternative.

dave42
dave42

@C.K. Dexter Haven @dave42  that's it in a nutshell right?  Can someone take Terry out behind the woodshed and explain this to him?  I don't mind if they use a 2x4...

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

Were you watching Niese?  He somehow started throwing batting practice in the 5th.  Everything was up and he lost all his speed off his FB.  Comparing taking him out to leaving DeGrom in is crazy.

hankypanky
hankypanky

@Robert Hess

I take it that you would include Keith Hernandez in that idiot category.

1harris1
1harris1

Yeah, but they make up for it when they get to Vegas!

0 homeruns in late July. Wow. It's not like he never plays on the road. That's a little disturbing.

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@kingman76 @William Gunnar Truitt Absolutely agree. He has room to grow stronger as well. Look at Nimmo. 2013 w/ Savannah he hit 2 HR all year, already 9 HR this year after strength and conditioning along with a promotion to AA

Nick Squatrito
Nick Squatrito

He can't force himself to the yanks cause unlike Melo, Tulo is signed on till 2020. If he even tries to force anything Colarado can just suspend him without pay. Nothing good will come of it for either side but that's what happens

1harris1
1harris1

There seems to be some confusion though as to whether he has a no-trade clause. I've read of late that in fact he doesn't have one, which gives the Rockies a lot more leverage as to where he winds up. That probably also helps the Mets if they truly want him.

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@sandybgone @1harris1 Absolutely no chance the Yankees get Troy Tulowitzki. Their top prospect is a mediocre pitcher, not even as highly regarded as Rafael Montero is in the Mets system. Rockies need several top young arms, Yankees don't have them.


William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@fatherflot That is what most people say whenever the topic of trading Niese pops up. However, we must look at the value here: Niese is having the best season of his young career. Any contending team in need of a starting pitcher would absolutely go right after Niese due to his efficiency, his very cheap contract, his team control, along with the fact that he's a lefty. He is much more valuable to a contending team than he is for the Mets, which therefore leads me to believing now is the perfect time to maximize profit by trading him.

dave42
dave42

@hankypanky  I would say that Keith knows more in his little finger about hitting than I will ever know in my life.  But he is not a fount of knowledge about pitching, pitch counts, innings limits or pitching strategy.  I'm not even sure I'd trust Darling on that and he's smarter than me by a factor of at least 5 - but he is also very "old school".

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@1harris1 It's only a little bit of a concern. I mean, the kid is one of the 5 youngest players in all of A ball at only 19 years old. He has hit a good amount of doubles deep in the gaps showing off his easy swing.

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@1harris1 Yeah, it was reported today that he in fact does not have a trade clause. However, once he is traded, a clause kicks in with his new team where he will be granted a $2 million bonus along with a full no-trade claue.


Tarheel11
Tarheel11

@William Gunnar Truitt @sandybgone @1harris1 Not sure how you can ever say the Yankees have no chance. 

Besides the fact that they have Betances who everyone loves. As well as that catcher Sanchez who is very highly regarded. 

This is not about what the Mets have versus what the Yankees have. If Tulo really wants to go to the Yankees the Yankees will somehow find enough to get it done.

1harris1
1harris1

Completely agree with you on Niese. The idea that he can't be traded unless they have another lefthander in the rotation is overblown.

I don't think though the Marlins would trade Stanton within the division, especially with how strong the market would be for him if he were ever on the block.

1harris1
1harris1

So maybe the trade clause which would automatically kick in with his new team would scare some clubs off? That's a wierd trade provision.

Sean Matrai
Sean Matrai

Sanchez has lost value in the Yankees system. Their top prospect like said above is a pitcher,and he is even not that highly regarded(,but he is young). The Yankees have 2 propsects in the top 100.The Mets have 5-6 with 2 players on the horizon.

Syndergaard,Dominic smith,Michael conforto,Rafael montero,Kevin plawecki,Brandon Nimmo.

2 on fence

Steven Matz,and Dilson Herrera.

But enough with comparing farms.

The Yankees could get it done with the right package,and that means the Yankees essentially dumping out their whole entire farm system which I'm not sure Cashman wants to do.

The Mets could get it done also,but it would take one of our top pitchers

(Wheeler,syndergaard,de grom(don't know if other teams view him this highly). 2 of our middle top 100s

(Plawecki,Nimmo,Dominic Smith,Michael Conforto, Montero)

And one to two players with mid/high upside at the back of our farm(Matz,Herrera,Rosario)

So the deal would probably look like

Syndergaard+Nimmo+Montero+Herrara+Gnoa

Herbert Greenebaum
Herbert Greenebaum

@1harris1 Has Tulo ever gotten through a season without significant time lost due to injury? You could give the whole farm away for this guy and still wind up with Tejada playing short most of the time.

William Gunnar Truitt
William Gunnar Truitt

@1harris1 It is strange. Probably a tactic used by Tulo's agent to, as you say, scare off other clubs so that Tulo stays in Colorado. All I know is, I pray the Mets find a way to get a deal done here that doesn't involve Syndergaard, Wheeler, Harvey or deGrom. There is certainly enough in the farm system to deal for Tulo w/o any of the above arms.

Herbert Greenebaum
Herbert Greenebaum

@Sean Matrai I'd give up Syndergaard at this point before deGrom.  If other teams don;t see him that high, then they're short sighted. 

1harris1
1harris1

Yes , they still have a few other good upper level pitching prospects (Montero, Matz ). If they're keeping Murphy, Flores becomes a potential trade asset. Then there is a good young catcher they can trade in Plawecki (or d'Arnaud could be involved even).

I imagine the Rockies are going to fight to get Syndergaard, Wheeler or deGrom included in such a trade (Harvey's not going anywhere). Whether the Mets could avoid trading one of those guys obviousky depends on what other teams are offering.